Rolling All Australian Team 2020

[Back One Out]

You ok? Finished melting yet?

Im a slave to the media now haha, even though I disagree with most in the media regarding this team, unlike yourself haha.

Im just sharing my opinion like others, don't take it to seriously bud.

But again Buddy isn't a captains arseh*le, just to clarify that part of MY opinion. Enjoy xx

Alex Rance wasn't a captain's arseh*le. (How come you didn't use him as your example?)

Buddy was a natural born leader. He didn't need the title of "captaincy" to lead the way out on the field.

And you are still wrong.

 

[theyellowsash]

Alex Rance wasn't a captain's arseh*le. (How come you didn't use him as your example?)

Buddy was a natural born leader. He didn't need the title of "captaincy" to lead the way out on the field.

And you are still wrong.

well youre ignoring that rance was at least vice captain of the club at the time, so he had more credentials than either franklin or dangerfield

 

[Back One Out]

well youre ignoring that rance was at least vice captain of the club at the time, so he had more credentials than either franklin or dangerfield

Dangerfield is Geelong's vice captain

 

[ryza87]

Alex Rance wasn't a captain's arseh*le. (How come you didn't use him as your example?)

Buddy was a natural born leader. He didn't need the title of "captaincy" to lead the way out on the field.

And you are still wrong.

Did I say Alex Rance was a good call for captain of the AA side?

Don't contradic yourself, going by your definition Alex Rance is a great leader for all the same reasons as buddy (minus the off field). Oh and he was voted into the leadership group by his peers.

Dusty is leader on field too, even off field with his younger team mates, does that mean he is captain material? No chance haha

 

[Back One Out]

In 2012 Swan, Ablett, Beams, Cotchin, Dangerfield, Thomson Deledio were way ahead of Mitchell. Mitchell was better in 11 and only polled so well because Sewell was your next rated mid, Hodge played 10 games and umpires don't like Buddy. Maybe Watson should have been out of the team but in no way was Mitchell the best mid that year.

Mitchell won the Brownlow and Best & Fairest for the best team. He was like Diesel in those years.

... and you say those 7 mids were "way ahead of him"

Good one, mate.

 

[bzparkes]

I would have had Vaustin or maynard instead of sheppard.

Most years there seems to be a dud picked in the backline.

I don't think there's ever been a worst All Australian than James Frawley!

Sheppard was better than Maynard.

For the 50th time, Vlaustin's a CHB anyway so makes no sense to pick him over Sheppard.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Dangerfield and Martin are indeed superstars, but I can't help but feel they get special treatment a lot of the time because of who they are, regardless of how well they play throughout the year. It is as if they get an automatic spot nowadays before the season even commences.

I'm just questioning what sort of special treatment you think Martin gets. Yeah the commentators fap over him unnecessarily, and there are plenty of print articles about him. The flip side

- losing the Rising Star on a technicality
- father deported for speaking adversely about the government in a doco
- fabricated stories about a) impending drug bust and b) chopsticks that had a serious impact on his wellbeing
- multiple fines for trivial shit - handcuff gesture, squirting water, two-finger salute
- suspended for "potential to cause injury"

Martin missed out last year which was on a par with his 2020, supposedly on the basis of a quiet first half of the season. But line up e.g. Macrae's two halves and he was much quieter than Martin before the halfway, and there were others. Was also robbed in 2015. Part of the problem is Richo tries too hard to appear impartial, and KB doesn't like him. But that's another story.

He's a great player who stands up at pivotal moments and often influences results. Why shouldn't he get picked over a less talented player who's playing at his maximum most weeks? It's not an encouragement award.

Other greats got picked 5, 6, 7, 8 times. Why not Martin?

 

[woosha24]

Please elaborate? I'd love to here this

Westo bias.

 

[bzparkes]

Well well sweet Jesus, turns out other stats do matter after all. You trolled for 10+ pages but in the end Kennedy no where to be found

Well he kinda got concussed and was out for a couple of rounds then his form tapered off.

Discussion was relevant at the time.

Charlie deserved his selection though.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Sheppard was better than Maynard.

For the 50th time, Vlaustin's a CHB anyway so makes no sense to pick him over Sheppard.

Rubbish. Balta and Grimes are the talls, and Astbury now that he's back. Broad is also more of a key position player. Vlastuin's 6 ft 1 but can take a mark if required. He's no KPP.

It's like saying Jackson Nelson is a CHB.

 

[ZEV]

Mitchell won the Brownlow and Best & Fairest for the best team. He was like Diesel in those years.

... and you say those 7 mids were "way ahead of him"

Good one, mate.

Sydney were the best team that year. Kennedy won the best and fairest.

Also, despite winning more possessions and kicking more goals in 11 you believe he was better in 2012?

 

[bzparkes]

Not saying Ryan isn't deserving of a spot but considering Papley kicked more goals, won more of the ball and had more goal assists whilst being supported by key forwards like Blakey and McCartin as opposed to Darling and Kennedy one might question the criteria for selection as a forward

Papley didn't do much since he got fined for staging.

 

[Back One Out]

Dusty is leader on field too, even off field with his younger team mates, does that mean he is captain material? No chance haha

Like I said, being captain of the All Australian team is not the same as club captain.

If Dusty keeps on dominating for the Tigers and getting picked in the All Australian team every year, then I'd have no problems with him being given the AA captaincy in 2021 or 2022

He is one of alpha men in the AFL that everyone looks up to. And like Buddy, he doesn't need the club captaincy to exert his leadership out on the ground. It just flows through him naturally in everything he does on the footy field.

It's just people's perception that needs changing (the footy fans, I mean). That's what I meant earlier about you being a slave to the media. Everyone has formed an opinion about Buddy, Dusty, etc, based on their off-field exploits before they'd matured and because they're media shy. They get pegged as flaky individuals, unfit for leadership roles, etc. The truth is both players don't want the club captaincy because they don't want to deal with the media, etc. and they're happy to let their footy boots do the talking.

But you are kidding yourself if you don't think they are their team's leader out on the ground on Grand Final day.

 

[bzparkes]

Rubbish. Balta and Grimes are the talls, and Astbury now that he's back. Broad is also more of a key position player. Vlastuin's 6 ft 1 but can take a mark if required. He's no KPP.

It's like saying Jackson Nelson is a CHB.

Your club keeps naming him at CHB though.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Your club keeps naming him at CHB though.



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Don't worry about where he's named. Shane Edwards has been named at CHB multiple times. CHB and CHF are basically anachronisms these days anyway. Most teams attack via the flanks.

 

[bzparkes]

Don't worry about where he's named. Shane Edwards has been named at CHB multiple times. CHB and CHF are basically anachronisms these days anyway. Most teams attack via the flanks.

Yes but the AA selectors only look at stats and team sheets and give big name players spots on reputation apparently so no point getting worked up about it.

Sheppard definitely deserved his spot though, been elite for years.

 

[Coaster2012]

Naitanui's only other award of significance. He robbed Sam Jacobs that year too.

You seem strangely obsessed with trashing Naitanui in every thread you can.

Whats with Naitanui and Richmond suppoters? What did he do to you people?

 

[Back One Out]

Sydney were the best team that year. Kennedy won the best and fairest.

Also, despite winning more possessions and kicking more goals in 11 you believe he was better in 2012?

Nah. Hawthorn was the best team that year, but they had a few key players carrying injuries that September and lost their mojo. It happens.
(It happened to Geelong in '08 and the Swans in 2016). The Hawks still nearly won the Grand Final despite playing below their best.

Kennedy and Mitchell were both better in 2012 than half those mids you named

What were basing your opinion anyway? The coaches votes? They're not the be-all and end-all. Some coaches (e.g. Buckley) love pumping up their star midfielders with votes every week, even when fringe role players are more deserving of votes. Clarko liked to spread the votes around.

 

[Seeds]

It already is meaningless, especially for different positions.

For example, Jason Dunstall has the same number of AA's as Leon Davis. Dunstall is widely regarded as one of the best 20 footballers of all time whilst Leon would not make the top 1000.

Even players from the same position and era is really hard as selectors are mighty generous with some players and extremely harsh on others. In 2012, for example, Sam Mitchell was the number 1 player in the number 1 side, won the B&F easily, won the Brownlow, won some poty media awards and did not make AA. This was common for him - he only made 3 sides in a long and dominant career. Yet, Scott Pendlebury last year, Selwood a year or 2 earlier (and many more examples) were generously selected to the surprise of many after producing seasons vastly inferior to that of Mitchell in 2012. Both Selwood and Pendles have 6 but I wouldn't say either are twice the player Mitchell was (or Danger 3 x as good).

All australians didnt exist every year that dunstall played. Plus dunstall suffered by the fact he played in the time of lockett And later ablett

 

[theyellowsash]

Dangerfield is Geelong's vice captain

first ive heard of it

 

[Ron The Bear]

Yes but the AA selectors only look at stats and team sheets and give big name players spots on reputation apparently so no point getting worked up about it.

Sheppard definitely deserved his spot though, been elite for years.

Not getting worked up. Sheppard could've had a spot ahead of Houli last year and I wouldn't have been perturbed. Would've had Vlastuin ahead of him in 2020 but never mind. More important things ahead.

 

[Back One Out]

first ive heard of it

2020 leadership group named

Joel Selwood will continue to lead the Geelong Cats into the 2020 season.

www.geelongcats.com.au

 

[Fadge]

This AA team is sh*t. Richmond would win by 10 goals if they met.

Yes.... of course they would.

Does that mean Port would win by 15 goals?

 

[Bungeye]

Sheppard was better than Maynard.

For the 50th time, Vlaustin's a CHB anyway so makes no sense to pick him over Sheppard.

Who said their were such things as positions anymore.

 

[Fadge]

You seem strangely obsessed with trashing Naitanui in every thread you can.

Whats with Naitanui and Richmond suppoters? What did he do to you people?

Naitanui wasn't available by the time Richmond got their pick in that draft, so they went with Vickory...