Rolling All Australian Team 2020

[Guardian Hawk]

All australians didnt exist every year that dunstall played. Plus dunstall suffered by the fact he played in the time of lockett And later ablett

Exactly. Those are the exact kind of factors which highlights my point - that AA comparisons are already meaningless.

Besides, it was just one example of many.

Mark Jamar has the same number of All Australians as Todd Goldstein. Campbell Brown has the same number of AA's as Luke McPharlin and more than Mal Michael. Ben Hart has the same number of AAs as Luke Hodge and Sam Mitchell (and more than Tony Modra). Joel Smith, Leon Davis and Joel Bowden have the same number of AAs as Nicky Winmar, Jimmy Bartel, Dustin Fletcher, Jonathon Brown and Stewy Loewe. Alistair Lynch has the same number of AA's as Harry O'Brien, Adam McPhee, Nick Maxwell and Jon Hay.

The list goes on...

 

[theyellowsash]

2020 leadership group named

Joel Selwood will continue to lead the Geelong Cats into the 2020 season.

www.geelongcats.com.au

I'm surprised he has time that with all the self promotion he does.

it does make his selection as captain more justified. I'd still have quite a few Infront of him though.

 

[theyellowsash]

Who said their were such things as positions anymore.

I wanna know when vlastuin became a chb.

 

[Guardian Hawk]

Sydney were the best team that year. Kennedy won the best and fairest.

Also, despite winning more possessions and kicking more goals in 11 you believe he was better in 2012?

Sigh...AA is based on Home and Away. Hawthorn finished the H&A on top of the ladder. AA is selected prior to the GF. It's not hard to figure out.

and yes, Mitchell's best year was 2011 - so? Was Pendlebury's second best year of his career not worthy of AA? Just because he had another season that was even better doesn't mean it wasn't an AA deserving year.

(Also, just as well he won the BL in 2012. Swan stole his 2011 BL because the umpires had absolutely robbed Swan the year before when Judd perplexingly won and Swan (the clear favourite) got hardly any votes. Mitchell swept all the player of the year awards in 2011 and had the highest runner up vote in history but Swan got some very generous votes to make up for the robbery of the previous season.)

 

[Seeds]

Exactly. Those are the exact kind of factors which highlights my point - that AA comparisons are already meaningless.

Besides, it was just one example of many.

Mark Jamar has the same number of All Australians as Todd Goldstein. Campbell Brown has the same number of AA's as Luke McPharlin and more than Mal Michael. Ben Hart has the same number of AAs as Luke Hodge and Sam Mitchell (and more than Tony Modra). Joel Smith, Leon Davis and Joel Bowden have the same number of AAs as Nicky Winmar, Jimmy Bartel, Dustin Fletcher, Jonathon Brown and Stewy Loewe. Alistair Lynch has the same number of AA's as Harry O'Brien, Adam McPhee, Nick Maxwell and Jon Hay.

The list goes on...

It still helps with comparison of players during the same era though.

 

[TeeJay Blue]

I'm just questioning what sort of special treatment you think Martin gets. Yeah the commentators fap over him unnecessarily, and there are plenty of print articles about him. The flip side

- losing the Rising Star on a technicality
- father deported for speaking adversely about the government in a doco
- fabricated stories about a) impending drug bust and b) chopsticks that had a serious impact on his wellbeing
- multiple fines for trivial sh*t - handcuff gesture, squirting water, two-finger salute
- suspended for "potential to cause injury"

Martin missed out last year which was on a par with his 2020, supposedly on the basis of a quiet first half of the season. But line up e.g. Macrae's two halves and he was much quieter than Martin before the halfway, and there were others. Was also robbed in 2015. Part of the problem is Richo tries too hard to appear impartial, and KB doesn't like him. But that's another story.

He's a great player who stands up at pivotal moments and often influences results. Why shouldn't he get picked over a less talented player who's playing at his maximum most weeks? It's not an encouragement award.

Other greats got picked 5, 6, 7, 8 times. Why not Martin?

I mean, the media love making feel-good stories despite the adversities he has faced for the sake of making money. All this talk of Dusty being the greatest player of all time has suddenly come out of nowhere this year. Didn't I also hear not long ago that Dusty was getting a 'Michael Jordan' style documentary?

His position in the AA team will remain debatable. His BOG for the State of Origin game was perplexing. And regardless of whether Houli supports it or not, one could make the case that he was robbed of the Norm Smith in 2017.

Look. I will keep saying it. Dusty is a fantastic player, and many achievements of his were deserving. But it is not hard for any non-Richmond supporter to wonder if some of the accolades he is receiving now are merely because he is Dustin Martin and not for his performances on the field.

 

[Guardian Hawk]

It still helps with comparison of players during the same era though.

Many of the above examples include players from the same era. I thinks its only helpful when comparing 2 players who competed for 1 position (i.e. ruck, ff, fb, etc that played at exactly the same time - and even then its based on the opinion of the selectors). I can understand as a Geelong supporter though why you'd like as it seems very rare for players from your team to be unlucky and yet quite common for them to receive the 'surprise' selection.

Hawkins a couple of years ago is the only unlucky one I can recall but then you've had Mackie, Mooney, Harley, Millburn, Egan, Stewart x 2 and even Guthrie this year. Even your elite players have been auto selections and been somewhat fortunate in some season (Selwood, Enright, etc).

(Please note - I am not saying all these players are no good or didn't deserve to be AA - just that 50/50 calls have fallen the way of Geelong players much more often than not (I assume a lot to do with your H&A success)).

 

[Wojcinski]

rance was at least vice captain. fair enough it either no actual captains are in the team, or the ones that were were fringe.

first ive heard of it

He's been VC since 2017

I'm surprised he has time that with all the self promotion he does.

it does make his selection as captain more justified. I'd still have quite a few Infront of him though.

I know we say this all the time, but you realise the 'self promotion' is because he is the ALFPA president, right? Or is it the first you've heard of that as well?

 

[theyellowsash]

Many of the above examples include players from the same era. I thinks its only helpful when comparing 2 players who competed for 1 position (i.e. ruck, ff, fb, etc that played at exactly the same time - and even then its based on the opinion of the selectors). I can understand as a Geelong supporter though why you'd like as it seems very rare for players from your team to be unlucky and yet quite common for them to receive the 'surprise' selection.

Hawkins a couple of years ago is the only unlucky one I can recall but then you've had Mackie, Mooney, Harley, Millburn, Egan, Stewart x 2 and even Guthrie this year. Even your elite players have been auto selections and been somewhat fortunate in some season (Selwood, Enright, etc).

(Please note - I am not saying all these players are no good or didn't deserve to be AA - just that 50/50 calls have fallen the way of Geelong players much more often than not (I assume a lot to do with your H&A success)).

Geelong certainly have gotten a good ride.
Was it 9 players in 2007? There's been much more dominant teams with half that number.

 

[Wojcinski]

Geelong certainly have gotten a good ride.
Was it 9 players in 2007? There's been much more dominant teams with half that number.

Essendon 2000, who else?

 

[Altum Volantes]

Essendon 2000, who else?

Eagles 1991

 

[Guardian Hawk]

Essendon 2000, who else?

Is that a serious question? AA is based on home and away. Geelong had a good year and won 18 games but it wasn't some kind of unprecedented season. In fact, Geelong won 3 more games the following season, St iIlda 2 more the season after and on it goes. No one has had near that number of selections though. It was nearly half your side and frankly, ridiculous.

 

[Ron The Bear]

I mean, the media love making feel-good stories despite the adversities he has faced for the sake of making money. All this talk of Dusty being the greatest player of all time has suddenly come out of nowhere this year. Didn't I also hear not long ago that Dusty was getting a 'Michael Jordan' style documentary?

Haven't heard any GOAT talk, just talk of the best season of all time back in 2017. I don't think he'll reach those heights again across a full season. He's got four years to run on big money and we don't want to wear him out, plus with the games being crammed he needed a rest, which he got plenty of at half forward. Some Richmond supporters who date back to Royce Hart are coming around to the idea that he's our greatest ever. Haven't heard any more about a documentary since it was first announced. It might be something they use to market the game overseas. He's an "interesting" looking sportsman.

His BOG for the State of Origin game was perplexing. And regardless of whether Houli supports it or not, one could make the case that he was robbed of the Norm Smith in 2017.

Sure, but it was an exhibition match, it didn't mean anything. It doesn't even go on his record. Norm Smith, I'm comfortable he was in the best two or three on the ground and you can argue about it, as you could with plenty of other years. Have a look at the video of his involvements in that game, he was pretty damn good. Right from the moment he worries Atkins out of the contest and the ball conspires to fall into his hands and he gets it to Houli for an early goal. That's the magic of Dusty, the aura at work. Personally I reckon Maurice Rioli's NS in 1982 was far more contentious. Maybe the voters were caught up in the romance of the "perfect" season, like KB's 6-8-7 finals series in 1980 where some good judges felt Lee or Raines was BOG, but I don't see how it affects supporters of other clubs, unless they did their money on Houli.

Look. I will keep saying it. Dusty is a fantastic player, and many achievements of his were deserving. But it is not hard for any non-Richmond supporter to wonder if some of the accolades he is receiving now are merely because he is Dustin Martin and not for his performances on the field.

Go ahead and wonder. I'm comfortable he was our best candidate; less so with his position in the pocket. But take him out and Richmond has no-one. It's not like 2007 when Geelong's doorman got a gig. Swings and roundabouts.

Trust me, I get it. The media carries on about him so much that people go looking for flaws because they're sick of it. Been a long time since we've had a player championed by the media like Dusty.

 

[ZEV]

Sigh...AA is based on Home and Away. Hawthorn finished the H&A on top of the ladder. AA is selected prior to the GF. It's not hard to figure out.

and yes, Mitchell's best year was 2011 - so? Was Pendlebury's second best year of his career not worthy of AA? Just because he had another season that was even better doesn't mean it wasn't an AA deserving year.

(Also, just as well he won the BL in 2012. Swan stole his 2011 BL because the umpires had absolutely robbed Swan the year before when Judd perplexingly won and Swan (the clear favourite) got hardly any votes. Mitchell swept all the player of the year awards in 2011 and had the highest runner up vote in history but Swan got some very generous votes to make up for the robbery of the previous season.)

Which mid or player would you replace in the 2012 team to fit in Mitchell?

 

[sdfc]

Is that a serious question? AA is based on home and away. Geelong had a good year and won 18 games but it wasn't some kind of unprecedented season. In fact, Geelong won 3 more games the following season, St iIlda 2 more the season after and on it goes. No one has had near that number of selections though. It was nearly half your side and frankly, ridiculous.

2007 Geelong were head and shoulders above the competition. Easily the most dominant team since 2000.

 

[theyellowsash]

Essendon 2000, who else?

in 07 you went 18-4
2008 you were more dominant (21-1) and had 6
the brisbane 3-peat never had more than 6 and one year only had 3
port finished on top 3 years in a row and never had more than 4, twice they had only 2
2009 saints (20-2) only had 4
2011 pies (20-2 168%) had 6
hawks 3-peat never had more than 3
2018 us (18-4) had 4

you were obviously the best team in 2007, and the GF will likely never be beaten as the most dominant ever (although finals arent part of AA selection). But you werent 50% better than some of the best teams in history, including your own team the next year.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Sigh...AA is based on Home and Away. Hawthorn finished the H&A on top of the ladder. AA is selected prior to the GF. It's not hard to figure out.

and yes, Mitchell's best year was 2011 - so? Was Pendlebury's second best year of his career not worthy of AA? Just because he had another season that was even better doesn't mean it wasn't an AA deserving year.

(Also, just as well he won the BL in 2012. Swan stole his 2011 BL because the umpires had absolutely robbed Swan the year before when Judd perplexingly won and Swan (the clear favourite) got hardly any votes. Mitchell swept all the player of the year awards in 2011 and had the highest runner up vote in history but Swan got some very generous votes to make up for the robbery of the previous season.)

Clearly Pendlebury's fault. Significantly over polled in comparison to the betting odds.

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[nineteen eighty]

LOL

What exactly do you think a leader is?

I always hear cliches about Cripps, Selwood or Judd putting their teams on their back and "carrying them to victory", but that is exactly what Buddy did for his entire career. He always stood up in the big games and in the biggest moments. He single-handedly dragged his side back into contests and to victory more than any footballer I can think of.

All the crap that has been written and said about Buddy's party lifestyle does not alter the fact he was ALWAYS one of the best trainers at Hawthorn and Sydney... and ALWAYS one of the best on-field leaders. Ask anyone involved with the Swans who the young players all looked up to and who took them under his wing.

Fairdinkum, you have your head up your arse if you think otherwise. You're just a slave to all the media bullshit and social media gossip. You think only the players who present well to the media and act all serious like Shannon Hurn and Nick Riewoldt are the legit leaders.. Wrong!

Before Wayne Carey blew it at North, he was spoken of as one of the greatest captains ever. So what's the difference between him and Buddy, in terms of dominating on the field and dominating afterwards at the nightclub? Benny Cousins, the same before he became an ice addict. Hodge, Voss, J Brown... all great leaders who loved a beer or two.

If the All Australian team did play a real game, the gun players in the side are not going to care about anything the captain says to the media or in the huddle before the opening bounce. It's about leading the way out on field. It's not about setting standards around the footy club day to day for 12 months.

Anyway, the point is moot. You don't get to pick the team nor the captain because you're just another nobody on Big Footy and your opinion means doodly squat.

You make some excellent points. I played with one of the elite drinkers off the field and yet he would always be front and centre as a leader at training or in a game. Carried us to wins for years and would then lead us into the next morning.

Buddy absolutely was a leader on the park. Players loved playing with him and were inspired by his efforts and his running. Was also elite off the park. I would have loved to see Buddy go up against Carey in a nightclub (is there a thread on nightclub eliteness that someone can point me to??)

Not sure you had to deliver your excellent message in such an aggressive manner but each to their own on that one.

And for one last time (well maybe not), Danger at best should have been on the bench. In no way known should he have been on the HFF...same for Bont. Martin at least plays as a forward. Arguable that Danger should not have even been in the team.

And finally, Gawn was a disgraceful selection.

 

[Wojcinski]

You make some excellent points. I played with one of the elite drinkers off the field and yet he would always be front and centre as a leader at training or in a game. Carried us to wins for years and would then lead us into the next morning.

Buddy absolutely was a leader on the park. Players loved playing with him and were inspired by his efforts and his running. Was also elite off the park. I would have loved to see Buddy go up against Carey in a nightclub (is there a thread on nightclub eliteness that someone can point me to??)

Not sure you had to deliver your excellent message in such an aggressive manner but each to their own on that one.

And for one last time (well maybe not), Danger at best should have been on the bench. In no way known should he have been on the HFF...same for Bont. Martin at least plays as a forward. Arguable that Danger should not have even been in the team.

And finally, Gawn was a disgraceful selection.

I love all these posts from Richmond supporters saying how Danger shouldn't be in the team or in a forward position whilst at the same time trying to justify Martin's inclusion lmao.

 

[nineteen eighty]

Sheppard was better than Maynard.

For the 50th time, Vlaustin's a CHB anyway so makes no sense to pick him over Sheppard.

I'm assuming you haven't seen too many Tigers games to be saying that Vlaustin is a CHB. He plays a similar role to Haynes.

 

[Gunf]

Papley 7 goals after round 8 (G 26 GA 9 B 27)

Butler 6 goals after round 10 (G 27 GA 9 B 11)

C.Cameron 7 goals after round 10(G 26 GA 5 B 22)

Danger (G 11 GA 19 B 16)

Dusty (G 15 GA 9 B 11)

Bont (G 11 GA 11 B 6 )

I can see why they were left out of the AA team

I do think Gunston should of been in the forward line and Mccluggage and Menegola should of been the 2 wingman

 

[HairyO]

Why are West Coast and the Western Bulldogs always over represented in the AA team?

Been happening for decades and needs to be investigated.

And Hawks under represented even in Premiership years.

2008 was hilarious. The selectors went Full Jake King.

 

[HairyO]

Your club keeps naming him at CHB though.



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I think we named Will Day at FB on one list.

Coaches have fun with them sometimes. The only thing which matters is the 22 names. And the Emergencies.

 

[bzparkes]

I'm assuming you haven't seen too many Tigers games to be saying that Vlaustin is a CHB. He plays a similar role to Haynes.

So, still not competing with Sheppard for a position then?
Not saying that you are one of them but some of the other Tiger's supporters campaigning for any of their backmen over Sheppard are clearly clueless and more than a bit perplexing.

 

[Grrr]

You seem strangely obsessed with trashing Naitanui in every thread you can.

Whats with Naitanui and Richmond suppoters? What did he do to you people?

No me, I think Naitanui is similar to Martin, not in the game all game every game but when they turn it on they influence games better than anyone. Naitinui is not the complete ruckman like for example Goldstein who does every facet of the game to a high degree, but he is a force in games that few ruckman have ever had. So deserves AA I reckon.