News Rosa Re-Signs

[Alphanumeric]

That's great news. He was one positive out of a crap 2010 season for us.

 

[ytpme]

What a joke. We are going to keep playing a bloke who is nearly past the 100 game mark purely on the basis of potential and because he has played nearly 100 games even though he has done bugger all except turn the ball over in most of them.

You can't keep playing people after 100 games of mediocrity just hoping it magically turns around. It reeks of desperation and clutching at straws. Either the bloke was no good to start with and you should never have invested those 100 games into him or you rdevelopment system and the environment at the club failed to get the best out of him. Eithe way it's time to move on. But the odds of somebody who has been thoroughly useless for his first 100 games magically and instantly becoming something decent is very, very slim. Better off manning up, cop the loss on the chin and getting on with it by investing in somebody else rather than praying for miracles with a total crab like Rosa.

More of John and Trevor's "Big changes" and "Aggressive approach at trade week and with the list". The decisions these clowns are making now is condemning us to 5-10 years in the wilderness.

Tell us another boat story, Geoffe.

 

[r dub 19]

How many players in the last few years have gone fishing to see what they can get elsewhere only to come crawling back to us?

 

[Geoffe_Miles]

Interesting comment for GM to make on a day where a bloke who played 100 fairly average games of football to start his career - just signed a deal reportedly twice the amount of any other player in the league.

Are you seriously comparing Ablett's first 100 games with Rosa's. Please, FS. You can't be serious. I know you have different views to mine and are more or less in the same boat as Pat Footy etc in term of opinion but i didn't think you would make this sort of ridiculous comment which i would more expect of them. If this bloke gets the ball the most you can hope for is a 5 metre sideays handpass that doesn't improve the teams poistion but at least doesn't turn the ball over. That is the absolute best you can hope for when the ball is in Rosa's hands.

Just looking at this thread and what the people defending Rosa have to say is a dead giveaway. There are people in this thread who are trying to defend him and bending over backwards to have a positive view of this and Rosa. What is the most that the most pro Rosa poster has been prepared to say in this thread - that he has improved. Nobody is talking about performance. Nobody is talking about how good a player he is and how good his performances are and how much he impacts games and what his strengths are etc. The most anybody can say is that he has improved. That says it all. Nobody is prepared to say he is a good player now. People defending him are conceding he is not a good player at the moment but have been reduced to fishing for reasons/evidence and to why he might become a good player in the future. This bloke has played nearly 100 games. The time for getting games based on potential is well and truly past. It's warrant games based on performance or move on.

The people trying to defend him have said it all with what they are not prepared to say about him. Talk about damning him with faint praise.

He is obviously in the same boat as Lynch - had a look around at other clubs but found that the deal on the table at the eagles was the only offer he had. Nobody else rates him.

 

[pantskyle]

The guys about to enter his prime, had a good year and was a positive no matter the hate, Shit i would be pissed if we traded him before we saw the best out of him. Stop the hating and lets applaud that fact that players want to stay and build towards something because i guarantee other clubs would have been interested in Rosa.

 

[Hap Hapablap]

better than the resigning of lynch thats for sure.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Nobody is prepared to say he is a good player now. People defending him are conceding he is not a good player at the moment but have been reduced to fishing for reasons/evidence and to why he might become a good player in the future.

He's a good player. There you go.

He's not a gamebreaker, but you're never going to have 22 of those. He's (now) an AFL-quality outside midfielder with adequate disposal and solid defensive abilities.

He's not going to have many 3 brownlow vote games but he's clearly in our best 22 and there's plenty of players I'd delist ahead of him.

 

[csmithrd]

Rosa may have been a soft serial ball butcherer in years past in some peoples eyes, but he has developed into a consistent member of the eagles midfield with more polish in his kicking and poise than he had in his younger years. I thought he was clearly one of the shining lights of a poor year, happy to see him re-signed.

 

[Arecsa]

Lynch and Rosa. 2 from 2, nice one Woosh These supposed big changes are going well. Rosa is a seagull with zero hurt factor, never been damaging, never will be. Should have sent him somewhere else.

 

[WCE57]

In two minds about this. I find it really disturbing how little change has been done to a playing list that won the spoon by a fair margain.

The potential loss of Stevenson is just not acceptable.

 

[Geoffe_Miles]

He's a good player. There you go.

He's not a gamebreaker, but you're never going to have 22 of those. He's (now) an AFL-quality outside midfielder with adequate disposal and solid defensive abilities.

He's not going to have many 3 brownlow vote games but he's clearly in our best 22 and there's plenty of players I'd delist ahead of him.

Nice try FS. You only say that now after i bring it up to be a smart asse. Your first reaction and comment was to talk about improvement, not performance, just like the rest of them.

I dispute that he is an AFL standard player or that his disposal or defensive abilities are adequate. I think they are still well below adequate. And even if you want to say they are adequate, what are his strengths then? You can't get a game being adequate in some areas and crap in others. Where does he excel? What are his strengths? How does he contribute?

 

[Geoffe_Miles]

In two minds about this. I find it really disturbing how little change has been done to a playing list that won the spoon by a fair margain.

The potential loss of Stevenson is just not acceptable.

Exactly. Where do people think the improvement is going to come from? Everything stays the same - playing list, best 22, players in key posts in 22, game plan, coach, mind set, club environment etc - yet people think that there were mistakes or root causes of this and we are going to just magically get better.

Do people really think that a handful of players moving from 40 games to 60 or 20 games to 40 over the cours of next season if just going to propel us out of the bottom 4?

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Meh. Not a poor re-signing.

He certainly isnt a world beater but a solid member of our team. We should be moving a plethora of players before we even considered doing anything with Rosa.

It does again fly in the face of "big changes coming" statement made by Woosha, he will need to delist two players not yet out of contract and i don't see that happening.

Our poor list managment continues, but it's got nothing to do with Rosa.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

You Rosa bashers are bloody clueless.

I can guarantee he is better than Peake who is playing in a GF this week and might be best 22 in a premiership team. No team has 22 line breaking, hurt factoring, game winning superstars.

He is a good solid player and until our team improves enough for others to overtake him he is easily best 22 and should not be traded for more younger kids to get smashed week in week out.

In case you missed this season we only won 4 games.

NFI

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Exactly. Where do people think the improvement is going to come from? Everything stays the same - playing list, best 22, players in key posts in 22, game plan, coach, mind set, club environment etc - yet people think that there were mistakes or root causes of this and we are going to just magically get better.

Do people really think that a handful of players moving from 40 games to 60 or 20 games to 40 over the cours of next season if just going to propel us out of the bottom 4?

That improvement will have to come when Woosha is replaced. I don't hold up any hope of us improving while he is in charge.

 

[Geoffe_Miles]

That improvement will have to come when Woosha is replaced. I don't hold up any hope of us improving while he is in charge.

I agree. Worsfold is a fool. His best chance to survive would be if he became the bloke driving the change. Instead he is the bloke standing in the way of it.

Hardie just said that there was turmoil going on down at the club at the moment because Worsfold wants to trade pick 4 and the club has said no as it is looking more long term. It's a worry. Worsfold seems to win every battle down there. I would not be surprised if he prevails and we auction off that pick for something to help him survive.

 

[dajesmac]

This pisses me off.

Without disputing Rosa is a good player, he obviously wants to go and will leave within 2-3 years by which time he will be out of the best 22 and with minimal trade value.

He's the only one that's put his hand up to leave that has any value to other clubs and we'll get nothing for him.

And if Stevenson goes I will spit the dummy and stop watching footy for a year.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Are you seriously comparing Ablett's first 100 games with Rosa's. Please, FS. You can't be serious. I know you have different views to mine and are more or less in the same boat as Pat Footy etc in term of opinion but i didn't think you would make this sort of ridiculous comment which i would more expect of them. If this bloke gets the ball the most you can hope for is a 5 metre sideays handpass that doesn't improve the teams poistion but at least doesn't turn the ball over. That is the absolute best you can hope for when the ball is in Rosa's hands.
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I can - and the reason was Ablett's performances were average - not terrible, not outstanding - but average.

And so is Rosa.

The leap Ablett took from 2006 to 2007 was from inconsistent, flaky half forward who showed off signs of quality, but went missing - to a dominant midfielder.

Rosa got more of the ball, Ablett had more goals - which would reflect the differing positions both played.

Rosa dropped off in 2008 - when the support he had from a dominant midfield dropped off - i jumped off him for being a squib around that time. However he has changed that.

Anyway - i'll let you get your answers from brad hardie.

 

[Pat_Footy]

I agree. Worsfold is a fool. His best chance to survive would be if he became the bloke driving the change. Instead he is the bloke standing in the way of it.

Hardie just said that there was turmoil going on down at the club at the moment because Worsfold wants to trade pick 4 and the club has said no as it is looking more long term. It's a worry. Worsfold seems to win every battle down there. I would not be surprised if he prevails and we auction off that pick for something to help him survive.

You would have put a negative spin on either outcome.

Rosa contract entended - hes a dud player. Worsfold doesn't know what he's doing.
Rosa is delisted - Worsfold is so incompetent even Rosa doesn't want to stay. Get rid of Worsfold.

This is why there are complete threads of people commenting on how they don't take you seriously.

 

[TurleyBurley]

Meh. Not a poor re-signing.

He certainly isnt a world beater but a solid member of our team. We should be moving a plethora of players before we even considered doing anything with Rosa.

It does again fly in the face of "big changes coming" statement made by Woosha, he will need to delist two players not yet out of contract and i don't see that happening.

Our poor list managment continues, but it's got nothing to do with Rosa.

This.

Rose is not part of the problem in and of himself. He's been ok. Shining light would be over the top. Good player even. OK.

The lack of notable trade(s) happening is a big worry. We're looking like the significant action in trade week is going to have to involve offing pick 4. And yet, there are holes all over the ground.

There's one big change I want, and it's got nothing to do with Rosa or pick 4. Can you guess what it is Woosh?

 

[WCE_phil]

What if pick 4 is auctioned off for 2 first round picks or for brandon matera and one of gold coasts first rounders.

Look i've very firmly been against a hell of a lot of things that have gone on at the club in the last year and a lot of things haven't been positive. Some things like our win/loss record and early to mid year team selection made me want to strangle everyone at the club and just start again. However in saying that trade week is less than 7 days away and the draft a month or so after.

Seriously Geoffe if things dont look like they have improved after the drafts then i'll be on your right hand side questioning everything. Until then maybe its time to put a little bit of trust and support back into the club.

 

[GO EAGLES]

This decision isn't as bad as some people think.
I wasn't fussed if he wanted to leave.

But There is a thing called depth.
Rosa is getting physically stronger every year and maybe will be at his peak in the next few years.

I am a Houlihan supporter,

and when the thought of Rosa being traded, I thought our depth might be in trouble incase of injuries.

In the trade process you wont get anything much better and Rosa is getting stronger and that must be in the coaches minds.

 

[Geoffe_Miles]

I can - and the reason was Ablett's performances were average - not terrible, not outstanding - but average.

And so is Rosa.

The leap Ablett took from 2006 to 2007 was from inconsistent, flaky half forward who showed off signs of quality, but went missing - to a dominant midfielder.

Rosa got more of the ball, Ablett had more goals - which would reflect the differing positions both played.

Rosa dropped off in 2008 - when the support he had from a dominant midfield dropped off - i jumped off him for being a squib around that time. However he has changed that.

Anyway - i'll let you get your answers from brad hardie.

If Ablett was average in his first 100 games it would only be relative to the player he eventually became. Not relative to Rosa. Did Ablett turn the ball over or dispose of the ball to an option in at best a similar position or, more commonly a worse position, with 80% of his disposals.

If you want to test that theory out about Rosa and Ablett's first 100 games being comparable out then go onto any board on BF other than ours and float it and see how many people agree with you. I would bet on not one person on BF other than an eagles poster or someone taking the piss out of you agreeing with that.

I would rather listen to commentators on 6PR than have circle jerks with other eagles supporters who want to pretend all our players are world beaters. Or spend my time in an AFL record cherry picking and massaging statistics that support a point a view i have already fomed and then presenting it on here as irrefutable proof of something as you do.

 

[dajesmac]

You would have put a negative spin on either outcome.

Rosa contract entended - hes a dud player. Worsfold doesn't know what he's doing.
Rosa is delisted - Worsfold is so incompetent even Rosa doesn't want to stay. Get rid of Worsfold.

This is why there are complete threads of people commenting on how they don't take you seriously.

Agreed, good post.

 

[Geoffe_Miles]

What if pick 4 is auctioned off for 2 first round picks or for brandon matera and one of gold coasts first rounders.

Look i've very firmly been against a hell of a lot of things that have gone on at the club in the last year and a lot of things haven't been positive. Some things like our win/loss record and early to mid year team selection made me want to strangle everyone at the club and just start again. However in saying that trade week is less than 7 days away and the draft a month or so after.

Seriously Geoffe if things dont look like they have improved after the drafts then i'll be on your right hand side questioning everything. Until then maybe its time to put a little bit of trust and support back into the club.

If we traded for a good young player like Daniel Rich then i am for it. If we trade it for an underforming and over rated but experiences 26 year old from another club just to prop us up then i will be pissed.

I don't want us going in there with a mind set to just trade it out for the best offer we get.