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Ross Lyon is synonymous with Ugly football
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It was obvious today, what the major problem with Lyon's game plan is. When the midfield wins the clearance, as they do more often than the opposition there is no one to kick the ball too as all the forwards have pushed up the ground. It happened time after time today. Clearance win, quick kick out of pack, Hawthorn intercept mark, rinse and repeat.
That game plan is found to be more flawed in high pressure games such as the Grand Final when quick kicks out of clearances are more common as the pressure and time to dispose of the ball are less than a home and away game. That is one of the reasons St Kilda were so dominant in home and away and failed on Grand Final day.
Fremantle are such a talented side, with a gun ruck and midfield. A great back line and capable forwards. Lyon is a proven good coach, not great. It would be interesting to see how far they could go without such a restricting game plan.
That game plan is found to be more flawed in high pressure games such as the Grand Final when quick kicks out of clearances are more common as the pressure and time to dispose of the ball are less than a home and away game. That is one of the reasons St Kilda were so dominant in home and away and failed on Grand Final day.
Fremantle are such a talented side, with a gun ruck and midfield. A great back line and capable forwards. Lyon is a proven good coach, not great. It would be interesting to see how far they could go without such a restricting game plan.
Everyone in the room I was in let out a WTF at that point, they had the ruck gifted to them and they threw it away.
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Who cares if it's ugly.
Some people. Honestly...
Some people. Honestly...
Majority of these were set shots and clear run on goals. Fatigue cannot be an excuse
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I can't see how Freo's gamestyle is any worse than Hawthorn's with their slow, kicking/possession game which turns the game into a crawl. The Freo performance in the prelim was enjoyable to watch.
Don't think the game was as congested as Freo would've liked. Too many aerial contests. Reckon they created enough chances to win but their finishing let them down. Exhibit A - Ballantyne's stabbing at the ball.
Did you watch last week?
They were stuffed by half time.
Not going to argue this anymore, I've watched this style of footy enough to know how the players end up fatigued at seasons end.
2009 we started out invincible, petered out and staggered over the line to make a GF.
The scorelines are a trend, not out of the ordinary.
Just like 2010, how was the saints recovery GF2 compared to your side?
Will be surprised if this footy can win a flag.
It's a divine feeling to have ones' seemingly unpopular opinion vindicated.
Today marks, what, 0-4 in grand finals? A damning statistic. And when the inevitable slide occurs next year, mark my words, Ross Lyon will look across to a water-treading and disillusioned-with-it's-coach Gold Coast, and sneak away via the auspicious booby trap door.
As a casual observer, I hoped for a better showing. But it seems Fremantle exhausted every last ounce of puff in last weeks' second quarter. Oh well. The lemon lime and bitters served at the hotel was nice, but that was the only thing to take out of today.
Today marks, what, 0-4 in grand finals? A damning statistic. And when the inevitable slide occurs next year, mark my words, Ross Lyon will look across to a water-treading and disillusioned-with-it's-coach Gold Coast, and sneak away via the auspicious booby trap door.
As a casual observer, I hoped for a better showing. But it seems Fremantle exhausted every last ounce of puff in last weeks' second quarter. Oh well. The lemon lime and bitters served at the hotel was nice, but that was the only thing to take out of today.
It's astounding how a man who took an absolute basket case of a club with 3 finals appearances in it's history to a grand final within two years of him being there is seen as a "shit coach"
Some of the posters on here are dead set morons
Some of the posters on here are dead set morons
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I"m sorry but how have you been vindicated?
1. Its actually 0-1-3
2. What do you base this inevitable slide on?
3. Did you actually watch the GF? If you think fatigue was any reason for that loss I think you are pretty clueless and didn't watch much football the last 5 weeks.
I take it you've never played much football especially in any sort of finals series!
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Don't understand the "Ross Lyon will never win a premiership with that coaching style" if we had of kicked straight we would probably be premiers right now. You can't fault Ross besides maybe the Zaarke being subbed call, his players let him down with poor kicking and not following structures (Mayne).
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If he finds a way to keep the defensive style plus adding five to ten goals more a game then God help us all.
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Gameplan wasn't the problem, just a lot of our players having a bit of a choke in their first GF.
Hawthorn have been the best team all year and we matched them in scoring shots but couldn't convert. The gameplan works, the players just didn't execute it properly.
That's clearly the plan with the recruitment of Silvia designed to give us more attacking options on the half forward line.
I've got a feeling DeBoer might be a casualty since he offers little in an attacking sense.
Hawthorn have been the best team all year and we matched them in scoring shots but couldn't convert. The gameplan works, the players just didn't execute it properly.
That's clearly the plan with the recruitment of Silvia designed to give us more attacking options on the half forward line.
I've got a feeling DeBoer might be a casualty since he offers little in an attacking sense.
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Probably most teams would be scary if they could find 10 extra goals a game
But then again we are talking about 1 goal in a half Freo
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We looked anything but tired and jaded in our other two finals (other than putting the cue in the rack once the game was won against Sydney).
I find it hard to believe a entire season of fatigue suddenly comes crashing down on the players between weeks 3 and 4 of the finals. If they were exhausted from anything it was probably from lying awake every night playing the GF in their heads in the week leading up to the game. I saw an interview with Ben Cousins where he said he made this mistake in 05 and was mentally exhausted by the time the real game came around. Said he learnt from that mistake in 06, hopefully our players will get the chance to as well.
And if your theory about the intensity of the gameplan causing players to miss shots was true we would see a big discrepancy between Freo/Saints accuracy compared to the rest of the league. Doesn't look like the case to me.
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Lyon himself has an ugly,nasty sarcastic temperament and it comes through in his coaching style
I just hope for the good of our game that all the other coaches dont fall for his bastard style of football.
I just hope for the good of our game that all the other coaches dont fall for his bastard style of football.
So that's 4 times his players let him down with poor kicking and not following structures?
Goals scored by Ross Lyon coached Grand Final sides:
2009 - 9
2010 - 10
2010 - 7
2013 - 8
Average 8.5
You are not going to win a Premiership with that stat, it's simply not going to happen.
Until Ross Lyon realises that goals win flags, he will be forever the bridesmaid.
His players are just fine, he is the one that has to change!
Self-love is often rather arrogant than blind; it does not hide our faults from ourselves, but persuades us that they escape the notice of others. Lyon will ignore the warnings and continue to accept the adulation, for what i'm still not sure?
Care to add in the behinds scored as well to give a better indication of scoring shots? He can only give them the opportunity to put them in a winning position, he cant kick them for them.
Usual selective stats to suit peoples arguments.
Ever heard of the term "bad kicking is bad football"? Add that to his failed game plan and you've got what exactly?
Jeezuz Geelong scored 11-23 in 2008 and i'm not using that as an excuse, we screwed up and that's that.
The Lyon coaching revelation isn't as great as many people think and this has now been proven 4 times!
Freo were 1-6 at half time FFS!
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So would we. Twice.
Players don't suddenly forget how to kick strait, the Saints were pretty accurate at times, especially in 2009. It isn't a long bow to draw to blame the fatigue of a long season, travel and a rigid game plan for the lack of pressure, run and accuracy suffered by Lyons men in '09, '10 (twice) and '13.
Face facts, the season is too long and the MCG is too spacious for Lyon's game plan to get him any more than the draw we fluked in 2010. And the replay of that game proves exactly why Lyon coached teams would be premiers every year if the season ended after Round 15.
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