List Mgmt. Ross Lyon - Sacked

Is Ross still the man for the job?

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Its pretty disingenuous to say we havent improved on last year. By every relevant metric we are better than we were at this point last year.

Have we improved enough though, and in the areas we struggle? I dont think so. I think most thought 10 wins and fewer thumpings was the benchmark at the start of the year. Could be difficult to get to that 10 win mark the way we are playing.

If we lose 2-3 of Hill, Hill, Tucker and Langdon there is no way we improve again next year.

To make matters worse, we have about 3 years of prime Fyfe left, probably less. Losing the players we are rumoured to be losing will almost shut that window if we only get draft picks back for them
 
Snuffaluphagus said:
Its pretty disingenuous to say we havent improved on last year. By every relevant metric we are better than we were at this point last year.

Have we improved enough though, and in the areas we struggle? I dont think so. I think most thought 10 wins and fewer thumpings was the benchmark at the start of the year. Could be difficult to get to that 10 win mark the way we are playing.

If we lose 2-3 of Hill, Hill, Tucker and Langdon there is no way we improve again next year.

To make matters worse, we have about 3 years of prime Fyfe left, probably less. Losing the players we are rumoured to be losing will almost shut that window if we only get draft picks back for them
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I agree with all of this.

If we lose one or two quality players that we have invested heavily in every year (which we have been lately) then that needs to be acknowledged as an issue with retention. If that's the case a large portion of it needs to lie with Ross
 
raffrox said:
I agree with all of this.

If we lose one or two quality players that we have invested heavily in every year (which we have been lately) then that needs to be acknowledged as an issue with retention. If that's the case a large portion of it needs to lie with Ross
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Saw my discussion with Joao on the Trade thread? The worst case scenario for the trade period this year sees us losing 6 young best 22 players over course of 3 years. That's unsustainable and I would argue the club will need to completely rebuild and start again. We'd be ****ed.
 
Freoforever86 said:
They’re playing. We had a few last year. Rising star isn’t a measure of success of playing kids. Palmer won it and he turned to mud. Have plenty of young guys under 50 games out there. Wafl kids aren’t exactly banging down the door

People who bang on about Lyon not developing youth forget pretty quickly that Walters Fyfe Pearce Taberner Blakely etc etc are going pretty well and all developed under him
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Need a bit more from the youngsters than just the fact that they are out there don't we though? Hawks have less younger players than us but I'd take Worpel over any player under 21 on our list. With the exception of Tucker I can't really name another youngster who has taken a big step forward this year.

And I'm not sure we can talk about Blakely's development as a positive anymore. Seems to have been developed into a half-back with poor 1v1 defensive skills and middling kicking.
 
Snuffaluphagus said:
Saw my discussion with Joao on the Trade thread? The worst case scenario for the trade period this year sees us losing 6 young best 22 players over course of 3 years. That's unsustainable and I would argue the club will need to completely rebuild and start again. We'd be f’ed.
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I get hooked on too many threads as it is so I've stayed away from that one!!

I'm really worried about the talk this year and like you said, of we do lose a few this trade period it's pretty clear that a pattern has emerged and that we're in a bit of trouble.
 
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Rion said:
Need a bit more from the youngsters than just the fact that they are out there don't we though? Hawks have less younger players than us but I'd take Worpel over any player under 21 on our list. With the exception of Tucker I can't really name another youngster who has taken a big step forward this year.

And I'm not sure we can talk about Blakely's development as a positive anymore. Seems to have been developed into a half-back with poor 1v1 defensive skills and middling kicking.
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Brayshaw has improved massively.
 
imperial_oz said:
How about reading previous replies instead of making up stuff.

Losses are still losses. Smaller losses is not realistic measure of success.

We are measured by our performance relative to 17 other teams in the competition and at the end of the season, we are likely to see no real difference in that comparison.

Improvement is going to require moving pout of the bottom 8 and playing finals (plural) as a minimum metric. The goal is to win premierships. That is your metric for success
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Look, the numbers are confusing
 

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Caldera said:
Of course you play the hand that is in front of you - there is no other choice. But football is not poker, as each club gets to pick their hand.

I’m under no illusion, my thoughts have zero impact on what the club does in the future. But I would argue that history is not irrelevant. It’s not irrelevant for any club - it brings expectation at best, increased pressure at worst. And due to Freo’s history, that pressure is amplified for some fans and the media. For sure that pressure extends to the Freo board and footy dept. It’s up to them to defy that, back themselves to do what they believe is best for the club and let the cards fall where they may. But within the next 12mths they have to show their hand.

Derby 1. Now that was ugly.
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Bolded is conjecture. You don't know any of that and I highly doubt anybody sitting on the board is basing their decisions on **** that happened 20 years ago. If they are, they should be sacked on the spot.


Johnny Dalmas said:
And if (if) our list was in such bad shape in 2016, whose fault was that? It could only be the fault of the Freo Football department.

Lists don't get bad magically over a summer, they get bad one poor recruiting decision at a time over many years.
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I'm happy to admit our first round drafting prior to 2016 was 1 part unlucky (Morabito etc) and 2 parts woeful + S.Hill.

That doesn't change the decision making 2016 in any way, which is what we are talking about.
Becky2Belts said:
Sorry mate, it’s just that when someone says “compare our rebuild to other teams” I find it hard to do that without mentioning other teams. Apologies if that’s upset you, but i was responding to a direct “name one other team” post. Kinda hard to do without talking about other teams.

If other management models are successful and ours isn’t, why don’t we change it? We’re not wed to anything. Forgive me for not falling in love with the lofty target of winning less than half of your games. If other clubs have the ability to stay perpetually relevant, so do we.

We have a great home ground advantage (in theory), we have the finances, we’re in a footy hungry market. If other clubs can survive without gutting the list and doing a full rebuild, so can we, so forgive me for not getting enthused about losing more games than we win and calling it progress because we’re young.
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You got asked to show who has rebuilt faster - that is the point where you should recognise it is folly to compare clubs unless you can draw significant and distinct parallels. The fact you choose to respond to that question doesn't make anything you say valid. Your analysis is still fingernail deep at best.

You can bang on about what you'd like to be happening, attempt to charge it with emotion by using language that you did, but it doesn't change anything. You are not moving anything forward by misrepresenting the facts or being disappointed that your expectations are out of whack with reality.
 
estibador said:
People are saying smaller losses aren't a sign of improvement, but iirc one of the reasons Brisbane were correctly tipped to surge up the ladder this year was the number of narrow losses they had last year.
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I thought it was more the momentum they took into the end of the season, while we had dropped off.
Brissie were a year late imo.
 
tonygeeks said:
4 weeks ago the story was ' look how great we are compared to Carlton , St Kilda etc

Now it's not fair to compare us to them ?

Or Brisbane

But Saints are OK

And I wonder what we have in common with them ?
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We are both perennial losers?
We are both about to lose our coaches?

I don’t know I give up
 
imperial_oz said:
Do you realise just how ridiculous it is to select 1 incident from 120 minutes of football in isolation as the only result defining moment?

This 'bounce of the ball' crap is used by the Lyontologists to justify their claims that Lyon can coach us to a flag.

Well, no he can't. The game has gone past him and he doesn't have what it takes to adjust. He's coached 300 games and never coached a premiership. Not one. Bouncing balls mean diddley squat. Flags can be measured and his measure is zero.

Even Simpson, who has coached half the number of games as Lyon has developed a list and coached a flag. He may well get another one this year.

Lyon has coached an unbroken run of 9 losses to the slime. He's coached 10 losses from 11 games against Hawthorn. The fact that he keeps losing games the same way over and ******* over without making any adjustments is a big red flag that says "Not up to it".

It's well past time that Bell and the board live up to their responsibilities
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I've just gone ahead and put you on ignore since I am well beyond my limit of dealing with this sort of discourse.
 
benfica said:
Gold coast suns would be a perfect fit for Ross Lyon......hope and pray to God they offer him a god father offer,please that's all I want for Christmas
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No one will offer Ross a job. His time is past and he probably is the only one that doesn't know it.

He finished. The only question left is will he finish the club off as well?
 

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