I wonder if it's going to be as successful as the three petitions!
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Yes that's correct
That's Rosich's greatest strength. Not making sense. Don't sweat it, just go with the flow
Can we see Lyon being at Fremantle 4-5 years time?
Depends how badly the people at our club want to us to get relegated from AFL.
Very much doubt that. Would have to be an outstanding 2020.
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Very simple.
When the playing group can execute Ross' strategy we beat anyone in the comp.
When they can't we can't, the inability is now higher due to injuries and tired youngsters.
The above is not opinion but based on what I've seen this year.
Now there is the case of if they can't execute they need to have the skills to be able to roll with the punches and fight on and win when structure breaks down. This to me is the core issue, and my concern with Ross (YES I HAVE ROSS CONCERNS TOO) is that his approach to this issue may be more structure training in stead of skill training.
I can't see any amount of structure training increasing our shots per i50, we need the skills too. He's adapted a lot so far maybe he can more.
When the playing group can execute Ross' strategy we beat anyone in the comp.
When they can't we can't, the inability is now higher due to injuries and tired youngsters.
The above is not opinion but based on what I've seen this year.
Now there is the case of if they can't execute they need to have the skills to be able to roll with the punches and fight on and win when structure breaks down. This to me is the core issue, and my concern with Ross (YES I HAVE ROSS CONCERNS TOO) is that his approach to this issue may be more structure training in stead of skill training.
I can't see any amount of structure training increasing our shots per i50, we need the skills too. He's adapted a lot so far maybe he can more.
So it's just your opinion then
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we can’t beat Hawks or Eagles though
I’m interested to hear more as to what has changed under Teague. Carlton have certainly improved ten fold and it is quite amazing that a change of coach has meant immediate results.
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I saw Lyon's press conference, it is great that he has finally admitted to the team being let down by skill errors (Hughes smothered kick singled out) but fans and people like Mark Duffield have been banging on about skills for 3+ years.
You cannot fix skills in a week and it seems quite unfair to blame players for poor skills when the coaching program does not include sufficient time to hone skills.
Ross does look very silly for calling the criticism after the derby loss "hysterical" and I am beginning to see a pattern here where Ross disregards criticism - Ross and Sumich nearly brawled after Sumich said the game plan needed to change...Sumich is starting to sound like a prophet right now.
No highly sought after assistant coach is going to come to Freo to work under a coach that is notorious for pushing line coaches extremely hard.
You cannot fix skills in a week and it seems quite unfair to blame players for poor skills when the coaching program does not include sufficient time to hone skills.
Ross does look very silly for calling the criticism after the derby loss "hysterical" and I am beginning to see a pattern here where Ross disregards criticism - Ross and Sumich nearly brawled after Sumich said the game plan needed to change...Sumich is starting to sound like a prophet right now.
No highly sought after assistant coach is going to come to Freo to work under a coach that is notorious for pushing line coaches extremely hard.
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In Rounds 12 to 17 of 2019 (under Teague), they have had 11 or 12 x 50+ club game players, average 11.4.
In Rounds 1 to 11 of 2019, Carlton had between 7 and 10 x 50+ club game players, average 9.
In Rounds 1-23 of 2018, they had between 6 and 9, average 7.3.
Under Teague, they have played;
Round 12: CA(11x50+ club game players) vs BL(11) Won by 15points.
R13: CA(11) vs WB(12) L -3
R15: FR(7) vs CA(12) W 4
R16: CA(11) vs ME(12) L -5
R17: SY(13) vs CA(12) W 7
And Out of those games, they have played WB & SY previously in the year;
R3 CA(8) vs SY(14) L -19
R5 WB(11) vs CA(10) W +44
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What is the evidence of this supposed "leaves players quite cooked"?
So far in 2019, Fremantle has ran a total distance more than their opposition on 13 of the 16 games (including our last 3).
It's worth noting that Pearce, Taberner, Hogan, McCarthy, Lobb & Blakely are all players, (that when playing, not injured) have rated in our top few players for total distance ran in a match. (Our other players that generally rate high are BHill, Langdon, Fyfe, & Tucker).
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What evidence do you have of that?
I've heard Lyon on at least one occasion this year criticise the players for not taking shots when inside 50.
Yet, I don't recall hearing him criticise players for taking difficult shots.
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I love our list losing Neale put us back a year between the hard surfaces and RTB game plan handicaps the list
We did lose AP who was AA at the time
That’s a big blow
play Darcy with lobb pinch hitting for the rest of the year so big D is ready for next year give Sturt a taste and valente a few runs have Mundy and Fyfe swap in mid fwd so Cerra and AB get more midfield minutes
Play the lads in there preferred position if there’s no space for cerra in mid/fwd leave him out and put nyhuis in lockdown defence not cerra
Our best 22 playing at there best is a great team a good blend of age and experience for the next 3 years
Hogan was always going to be all over the shot in year 1 next year he will be back to his best
I still have hope for dardy as a half fwd he’s field kicking is great
If Ross doesn’t go we need a new fwd coach because we spoil ourself in the contest no patterns or tactics to create a fat side or a one on one
Lyon is very supportive and loyal to his players. Which a good thing.So you're saying Ross extracts every ounce of talent from his players then when he leaves their output diminishes significantly? Then we better sign him up longterm ASAP!!
I find it very strange that Pavlich, Riewoldt, Hayes, Dal Santo, Barlow, Bell, etc are full of praise for Lyon and a bunch of keyboard warriors want him sacked after a disappointing month in a 300 game career.
The problems I see is that we are going nowhere.
See the same mistakes like players getting sucked into the contest, no one to kick to, invented plays resulting in a poor connection to our forwards and increased opposition intercept marks.
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Ummm, midway through 2015???
In the second half of 2015, Freo won 7 of their 11 Home & Away games. One of those losses was our R23 B-Team to Port Adelaide.
Do people forget that we had Fyfe absolutely smashing teams until Mitchell sniped him in Tassie in Round 15 ... funnily enough, that was one of our 4 (H&A) losses in the second half of 2015.
Freo ended up easily accounting for Sydney in the Qualifying Final and then got fixed up by the umpires against Hawthorn in the Premilinary Final.
If anyone is going to be critical of Lyon for that period of our club's history, then I'm not surprised you are critical of him now.
We were playing poorly in the 2nd half of 2015. Sydney had a huge injury list by the end of 2015 and limped into the finals, I’m fairly sure they got bundled in straight sets. I may be wrong. We only just got over the line in that game. Our play was stagnant and our scoring dried up. We rarely kicked 100 points.
We were terrible at managing injuries, not dissimilar to most years in our history.
Fyfe had a terrible cork and should of missed 1-2 games. Yet he played through and had leg issues for next season and a half.
2nd half of 2015 was terrible and despite finishing top of the ladder, the feel at the time was Hawks had our measure.
What by having an actual ruckman versus none?
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Hawthorn was a brilliant team.
They won their 3peat in 2015.
They absolutely thrashed West Coast in the GF.
Yet I am supposed to believe that Freo, with Fyfe running around with a broken leg in the Prelim, were playing bad Lyon football to be within 9 points of Hawthorn in the last quarter. Whether Freo were or were not terrible at managing injuries is not Lyon's fault, and it certainly is a valid reason for Freo not performing as well as they could have been.
Freo also had a 100+ score and 9 goal win in their 2nd last H&A game of 2015.
History simply does not support your narrative ... the same ridiculous narrative that was being pushed by many at the time.
Funny how you choose to excuse Sydney because of injuries, you admit Fyfe had injuries, yet you choose to blame Lyon for us ultimately finishing minor premiers and only being knocked out in a Prelim by a mighty Hawthorn side.
At training, I certainly heard him tell Tabs to centre the ball, after Tabs kicked a dribble kick goal from the pocket. Also, in the AFLX this year, when Fyfe was captain, he definitely said that while it was not the right thing to do in AFL, he was going to tell his team to shoot from 50 in AFLX.
