List Mgmt. Ross Lyon - Sacked

[Randomizor]

This poll would reflect the thinking outside of BF like ive said before the Ross Lyon apologists are a minority, the majority want him gone the problem is the club can’t do anything about it and he knows it.

I’d be careful attributing anything to the poll. Anecdotally, I’ve found you’re right, but that doesn’t count for much.

 

[blue shark]

This poll would reflect the thinking outside of BF like ive said before the Ross Lyon apologists are a minority, the majority want him gone the problem is the club can’t do anything about it and he knows it.

At his age, and breaking it down the middle, first 4 years, to now doesn't make good reading.
Obviously the game has changed, some would argue because of Ross.
But the club must take most of the responsiblity, we are richer in facilities at the expense of the footy
department.
Still think we could plan, and his involvement in improving the coaches box, just him alone at the helm
is Old thinking.

 

[Mr Peabody]

 

[awaremind]

It'll be a shame when Ross leaves because the mods will lock this thread for good. Probably the funniest thread on BigFooty right now.

Have u not seen the Trump thread?

 

[Becky2Belts]

And that is why at the bottom of my post I wrote ... "Whether anybody believes my account or not ... becomes somewhat irrelevant when you look at the history books and see Fremantle ended up minor premiers and were thrown out of the finals by the eventual premiers in a Prelim. That alone tells my logical mind that Lyon had Freo going pretty good in 2015."

I provide my statistics for a certain type of reader.
The ones that choose to immediately dismiss any statistics they don't align with their chosen narrative is not my target audience.

I’m sorry mate, but a deep dive into how biased the AFL is against Fremantle because of 2015 umpiring stats is not relevant to whether Ross Lyon is the man to take us to a flag in 2020 and beyond.

There’s no “narrative” or “agenda” either by the way. Ross is our best ever coach and should be remembered fondly, but in my opinion he’s run out of ideas and his time is up. No amount of 2015 first quarter umpiring stats will influence that opinion sorry.

 

[freo1997]

The three best people associated with out club are imo

1. Pavlich
2. Fyfe
3. Ross the boss Lyon

But that’s beside the point, you don’t look back..you look to the future. He obviously can’t get through to this list for whatever reason. It may be the playing group? But my gut feeling is he’s out of touch.

His arrogance, emotionless behaviour is also hard to watch these days. I’m not saying I want Mick Malthouse smashing of the phone passion. But a little bit would be nice.

Ross you were fantastic! But please its time to go.

 

[Taylor]

Carlton fans already torpedoed their plans to add an extra elite talent to their list this offseason by not keeping the powder dry. They were going to ask for a start of first round priority pick, in my opinion, and they were going to get it along with Gold Coast. Offsetting the trade for Stocker last year and giving them the best player in the draft.

Then next season they put the mature bodies back in the middle, suddenly they are more competitive. What a turn around. Clap Clap.

 

[Becky2Belts]

Carlton fans already torpedoed their plans to add an extra elite talent to their list this offseason by not keeping the powder dry. They were going to ask for a start of first round priority pick, in my opinion, and they were going to get it along with Gold Coast. Offsetting the trade for Stocker last year and giving them the best player in the draft.

Then next season they put the mature bodies back in the middle, suddenly they are more competitive. What a turn around. Clap Clap.

Am I misinterpreting this or are you saying we are/should tank the season for better draft talent? Otherwise I’m not sure what it has to do with Ross?

 

[Taylor]

Am I misinterpreting this or are you saying we are/should tank the season for better draft talent? Otherwise I’m not sure what it has to do with Ross?

I think the cue is in the rack and our stoppage structures seem set up to either be as attacking as possible or leak as cleanly as possible.

Perhaps it's because Conca tweaked his ankle against Port, he hasn't run through as much to shut someone out.

I think it's naive to think that AFL clubs don't let their results happen when they are choosing to do things like playing Ed Curnow as a small forward instead of a midfielder.

 

[Rion]

I don't think I like evaluating Ross at the bye next year given our 2nd half of season performance lately. We have to ride him to August and pray we aren't awesome and he doesn't get a better offer.

Yeah definetly. I think at this point he might as well see out his contract (assuming we win a couple more games this year because otherwise he can't possibly stay). Not like Ross is the only issue and we need to massively improve our coaching lineup regardless of whether he goes or stays. His weakness are so blatant that surely he's got to recognize them.

Whatever we do though Ross cannot get a contract extension unless we make finals. If we did sign him mid season and then it goes pear shaped it'd be an absolute debacle.

 

[awaremind]

Carlton fans already torpedoed their plans to add an extra elite talent to their list this offseason by not keeping the powder dry. They were going to ask for a start of first round priority pick, in my opinion, and they were going to get it along with Gold Coast. Offsetting the trade for Stocker last year and giving them the best player in the draft.

Then next season they put the mature bodies back in the middle, suddenly they are more competitive. What a turn around. Clap Clap.

Carlton haave been keeping the powder dry for decade, i think thats not the way to go.

 

[Rion]

I think the cue is in the rack and our stoppage structures seem set up to either be as attacking as possible or leak as cleanly as possible.

Perhaps it's because Conca tweaked his ankle against Port, he hasn't run through as much to shut someone out.

If we're actually tanking the entire club hierarchy should step down tomorrow. I don't think we are though.

 

[awaremind]

Talking to members and thinking for our family, Im sure many people will give up their memberships without some real change and cause for hope. Who wants to pays so much for efforts like vs WC and Carlton Losing 5-10 k members must be on the cards if we dont win more than one more game this year and keep ross or dont get some serious improvement in the football department.

 

[Bring back Drum]

I think the cue is in the rack and our stoppage structures seem set up to either be as attacking as possible or leak as cleanly as possible.

Perhaps it's because Conca tweaked his ankle against Port, he hasn't run through as much to shut someone out.

I think it's naive to think that AFL clubs don't let their results happen when they are choosing to do things like playing Ed Curnow as a small forward instead of a midfielder.

I dont think Ross can afford to tank in any way, shape or form.

 

[Becky2Belts]

I think the cue is in the rack and our stoppage structures seem set up to either be as attacking as possible or leak as cleanly as possible.

Perhaps it's because Conca tweaked his ankle against Port, he hasn't run through as much to shut someone out.

I think it's naive to think that AFL clubs don't let their results happen when they are choosing to do things like playing Ed Curnow as a small forward instead of a midfielder.

Assuming you came to this conclusion before the Hawks game, are you happy with the club putting the cue in the rack with seven games left and what was then a win outside the eight?

 

[E Shed]

What nonsense that we're tanking. Reminds me of 2015 when there was a large section of the board that continued to insist Lyon was keeping his powder dry for the finals and we weren't actually slowly falling off a cliff (from which we're still a significant way from climbing back out of).

 

[AAACockburn]

Of course!
We are tanking, that is the culprit.

Great work team.




Yeh nah F#@k that.

We are mediocre at best. Not good, not bad, just mediocre.

 

[Superkoops]

Sean Rioli wins the tap and its grabbed by Nat Rioli who has a bounce, handpasses over to Brandon Rioli who kicks truly!!
Has a nice ring about it

I watch the Territory football and NEAFL on NITV and there seems to be quite a few Rioli’s running around. Just draft one - even half fit (like Willie when he was drafted) as they have better foot skills than a good percentage of our team.

 

[Taylor]

Assuming you came to this conclusion before the Hawks game, are you happy with the club putting the cue in the rack with seven games left and what was then a win outside the eight?

I was furious at the Carlton and eagles games watching our mids have no accountability

 

[Becky2Belts]

I was furious at the Carlton and eagles games watching our mids have no accountability

Fair enough. You have suggested the club has put the cue in the rack some time around the two months to go in the season mark, with the eight still mathematically very much in play (we were in the eight at bouncedown for those games).

As a Freo fan, does that shake your faith in management in any way, or is it just part of the way teams need to do business?

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

Of course!
We are tanking, that is the culprit.
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Great work team.




Yeh nah F#@k that.

We are mediocre at best. Not good, not bad, just mediocre.

Ross would have got away with it too if it wasn't for those damn meddling kids.

 

[Taylor]

Fair enough. You have suggested the club has put the cue in the rack some time around the two months to go in the season mark, with the eight still mathematically very much in play (we were in the eight at bouncedown for those games).

As a Freo fan, does that shake your faith in management in any way, or is it just part of the way teams need to do business?

I've said before that the way the AFL works is that if you're not in the finals it's in your best interests to finish as low as possible. Ninth and eighteenth are just as equally not succeeding but one of them gets access to significantly better talent options.

We left the Collingwood game well placed on the ladder, but but lost our AA CHB and Lobb requiring us to play our junior ruckman. Thankfully we didn't lose anyone that next game. Then we lost our last remaining key forward against Melbourne.

I can see a scenario where our coaching has decided that we can't rely on a single focal point forward now so quick and unpredictable ball movement out of the bounce will let us hit our smalls hopefully playing in front, so they are playing all four bounce players hunting the ball.

We used Tabs and Hogan to take marks up the ground in our best wins this season, now we can't.

 

[Kenyan]

I've said before that the way the AFL works is that if you're not in the finals it's in your best interests to finish as low as possible. Ninth and eighteenth are just as equally not succeeding but one of them gets access to significantly better talent options.

We left the Collingwood game well placed on the ladder, but but lost our AA CHB and Lobb requiring us to play our junior ruckman. Thankfully we didn't lose anyone that next game. Then we lost our last remaining key forward against Melbourne.

I can see a scenario where our coaching has decided that we can't rely on a single focal point forward now so quick and unpredictable ball movement out of the bounce will let us hit our smalls hopefully playing in front, so they are playing all four bounce players hunting the ball.

We used Tabs and Hogan to take marks up the ground in our best wins this season, now we can't.

Apart from Fyfe, who is going to provide ‘ the quick and unpredictable ball movement out of the bounce?’

 

[Taylor]

Apart from Fyfe, who is going to provide ‘ the quick and unpredictable ball movement out of the bounce?’

Ideally Mundy, Walters will move the ball by foot quickly to a loose target. I am wondering if Barra has a numbing needle in his ankle though, his kicking has fallen apart.

 

[Kenyan]

Mundy was in great form for the first half of the season but must be carrying an injury of late. Why Blakely is not a permanent mid is beyond me. Walters is a gun forward who should play very limited time in the midfield.