Competitions Round 1 Lineup vs Fremantle - CLOSING TONIGHT!! 9.00pm. GET YOUR FINAL TEAMS IN BY THEN

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I'm thinking we'll go in something like this:

Morris Adams Wood
Murphy Hamling Boyd

Johannisen Bontempelli Hunter

Suckling Stringer Dahlhaus
Dickson Redpath Adcock

Minson Liberatore Macrae

Stevens Picken Wallis McLean/Biggs

EMG: Roughead Roberts Biggs/McLean

Not what I'd go in with, but just judging from pre-season vibes so far.

 

[Dogsman16]

I'm thinking we'll go in something like this:

Morris Adams Wood
Murphy Hamling Boyd

Johannisen Bontempelli Hunter

Suckling Stringer Dahlhaus
Dickson Redpath Adcock

Minson Liberatore Macrae

Stevens Picken Wallis McLean/Biggs

EMG: Roughead Roberts Biggs/McLean

Not what I'd go in with, but just judging from pre-season vibes so far.

Interesting! You think/you think the club may feel as though T.Boyd won't have done enough to warrant a spot.

Like the Adams inclusion!!!

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Interesting! You think/you think the club may feel as though T.Boyd won't have done enough to warrant a spot.

Like the Adams inclusion!!!

My thinking is more that the club will feel as though Redpath has earned that position and it's Boyd's job to displace him, not the other way around. I'm still very confident in Boyd (and I'd play him round 1) but I feel that the club may err on the side of wanting to see him really push for selection before he gets picked. Adams v Roberts is a flip of the coin for me at the minute but reckon we'd love the extra drive that Adams (hopefully) brings - particularly against Fremantle.

But of course, this is all just guesswork.

 

[Dogsman16]

My thinking is more that the club will feel as though Redpath has earned that position and it's Boyd's job to displace him, not the other way around. I'm still very confident in Boyd (and I'd play him round 1) but I feel that the club may err on the side of wanting to see him really push for selection before he gets picked. Adams v Roberts is a flip of the coin for me at the minute but reckon we'd love the extra drive that Adams (hopefully) brings - particularly against Fremantle.

But of course, this is all just guesswork.

Yeah I agree with Adams.

Unless Roberts is significantly better in the one on one situations (and I don't think he would be) then I'd be going with Adams. Has that speed to cover more space in the defensive 50, obviously he is much stronger and the rebound game is obviously in Adams favour. Also I think we go with the mobile setup against Freo, their KPF's aren't their strength currently.

I agree that it's not ideal to pick Boyd and Redpath as both are more suited to the deep forward position but ideally one of those two shows ability as a CHF as it's what we need.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Yeah I agree with Adams.

Unless Roberts is significantly better in the one on one situations (and I don't think he would be) then I'd be going with Adams. Has that speed to cover more space in the defensive 50, obviously he is much stronger and the rebound game is obviously in Adams favour. Also I think we go with the mobile setup against Freo, their KPF's aren't their strength currently.

I agree that it's not ideal to pick Boyd and Redpath as both are more suited to the deep forward position but ideally one of those two shows ability as a CHF as it's what we need.

Frankly I still don't see Redpath as a long-term key forward option at either CHF or FF. I don't think he has the skillset to play CHF effectively and I don't think he is efficient enough when targeted to be the focal point at FF. But he's developed really well and it's great to have him there as another option. I don't think he holds down a key position in this side heading into the future, but right now I kind of see it as being his spot to lose, regardless of whether I would play him or not.

On the structure, I'm still very happy with Boyd/Stringer/Crameri and saw plenty of signs last year that Stringer's marking ability is starting to translate to AFL level. If he can keep building upon that there is absolutely no reason he can't play as a true key forward even though he's not the tallest guy on the field. Not to start up this debate again as there's always disagreement (and likely always will be), but the only reason I'd aggressively look to another key forward is if Stringer starts looking dangerous in the middle and we want to boost his minutes there. Otherwise I have no real issue with the personnel/structure we have in the forward line.

 

[Big Wilbur]

The logic behind Boyd's exclusion is contradicted by Adams' inclusion.

Perhaps we should wait and see how they play in the NAB games. No-one has even seen Adams play at this level. He could just as easily be a massive fail....god forbid.

 

[Dogsman16]

Frankly I still don't see Redpath as a long-term key forward option at either CHF or FF. I don't think he has the skillset to play CHF effectively and I don't think he is efficient enough when targeted to be the focal point at FF. But he's developed really well and it's great to have him there as another option. I don't think he holds down a key position in this side heading into the future, but right now I kind of see it as being his spot to lose, regardless of whether I would play him or not.

On the structure, I'm still very happy with Boyd/Stringer/Crameri and saw plenty of signs last year that Stringer's marking ability is starting to translate to AFL level. If he can keep building upon that there is absolutely no reason he can't play as a true key forward even though he's not the tallest guy on the field. Not to start up this debate again as there's always disagreement (and likely always will be), but the only reason I'd aggressively look to another key forward is if Stringer starts looking dangerous in the middle and we want to boost his minutes there. Otherwise I have no real issue with the personnel/structure we have in the forward line.

All good arguments!! Would you have Boyd as the second ruck as well in that or would you pick a ruckman in support on the bench??

I'm tossing and turning between how I want our ruck combo/forward line to setup.

I'm not against picking 2 rucks (Campbell and Roughy) and not having a genuine big defender with Boyd and Stringer as the tall forward combo.

That way we pick an agile tall defender setup (Hamling, Adams, Morris) and have Roughy play back on occasion against the resting ruck.

Campbell rests forward when Boydy is having a rest.

Think we delay pushing Stringer into the middle to heavily until Crameri returns back into the fold. Strings is going to need to push up the ground as a marking target quite regularly.

 

[Yojimbo]

All good arguments!! Would you have Boyd as the second ruck as well in that or would you pick a ruckman in support on the bench??

I'm tossing and turning between how I want our ruck combo/forward line to setup.

I'm not against picking 2 rucks (Campbell and Roughy) and not having a genuine big defender with Boyd and Stringer as the tall forward combo.

That way we pick an agile tall defender setup (Hamling, Adams, Morris) and have Roughy play back on occasion against the resting ruck.

Campbell rests forward when Boydy is having a rest.

Think we delay pushing Stringer into the middle to heavily until Crameri returns back into the fold. Strings is going to need to push up the ground as a marking target quite regularly.

If we picked up Josh Walker we would have a lot less problems.

 

[Leezorr]

FB Morris Roberts Boyd
HB Wood Hamling Murphy
C Macrae Wallis Suckling
HF Dahlhaus Boyd Stevens
FF Redpath Dickson Stringer
Foll Minson Bontempelli Libertore
B Roughead Picken Johannison Hunter

The following i would love to find a spot for them but just cant atm McLean, Collins, Cordy, Daniel.

I suspect a couple of the latter will be in the side depending on injury's and limited pre seasons.

 

[Big Wilbur]

FB Morris Roberts Boyd
HB Wood Hamling Murphy
C Macrae Wallis Suckling
HF Dahlhaus Boyd Stevens
FF Redpath Dickson Stringer
Foll Minson Bontempelli Libertore
B Roughead Picken Johannison Hunter

The following i would love to find a spot for them but just cant atm McLean, Collins, Cordy, Daniel.

I suspect a couple of the latter will be in the side depending on injury's and limited pre seasons.

Agree with this line-up but think only one of Minson or Roughy will be selected in the ruck, or one of Roberts and Roughy in defence, McLean to come into the side.

 

[Fitzey]

Hey guys sorry to intrude but how is Will Minson pulling up in the pre-season? any chance to get back to his best this season?

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Boyd - Roberts - Morris
Johannisen - Wood - Murphy
Macrae - Wallis - Suckling
McLean - Stringer - Dickson
Adcock - Boyd - Dahlhaus
Minson, Bontempelli, Liberatore
Picken, Hamling, Hunter, Stevens

Roughead to ruck in the 2nds to build up to the 1sts.
Boyd straight in, Redpath unlucky.
Smaller mobile backline, Roberts under threat from Adams and Collins.
Adcock in based on pre-season media.
Dale, Biggs and Daniel next in line.

 

[Yojimbo]

Hey guys sorry to intrude but how is Will Minson pulling up in the pre-season? any chance to get back to his best this season?

Do you believe in aliens or the loch ness monster because these two
mysteries are probably more likely to be solved than trying to guess
the makeup of our ruck division in 2016. The pre-season reports say
Minson has lost weight and improved his mobility, but odds on look
on.

 

[True Dog]

Just had a quick look at the teams selected thus far to see if we had a clear best 22-25

Out of the 25 possible Rd1 line ups listed by our experts 11 players appear in every team (half way there) Our top 18 voted players front up in 20 teams (that’s 80% of you)

It’s at this point where it gets interesting. Seems we're divided between Minson & Roughead in the ruck both players appear in 16 teams however Roughie as a backman on a few occasions (no love for Campbell at all) Toyd is the clear tall forward second ruck option however Redpath has decent numbers (23rd player selected)

Hamling is the favored tall defender with Roberts in support.

Daniels/Honeychurch/Biggs/Jong are miles off the pace despite all deemed good enough to play in a final. Jongy could only get 2 votes (1 of those was for a ruckman) and he was listed amongst the best the last time we played ?

Anyway the players and the number of teams they made are listed below…

Suckling 25
Murphy 25
Bont 25
Moyd 25
Dhalhaus 25
Stringer 25
Wood 25
Macrae 25
Dickson 25
Morris 25
Picko 25
Wallis 24
Hunter 24
Libba 24
JJ 24
Hamling 23
Stevens 22
Toyd 20
Roughie 16
Minson 16
McLean 15
Roberts 14
Redpath 13
Adcock 9
Adams 7
Biggs 5
Dale 4
Collins 3
Daniels 3
Cordy 2
Dunkley 2
Honeychurch 2
Jong 2
Campbell 1
Webb 1
Williams 1
Crameri 0
Hrovat 0
C Smith 0
Hamilton 0
Prudden 0
Lynch 0
R Smith 0
Geotz 0

 

[fronkalicious]

Adams and Collins will be doing well to get ahead of cordy.

 

[Dogsman16]

If we picked up Josh Walker we would have a lot less problems.

Premiership favourites surely

Adams and Collins will be doing well to get ahead of cordy.

Don't see Cordy filling either of the two main key defensive posts like Adams and Collins should be capable of doing (medium - long term).

Cordy really is ideally suited to Morris' role.

 

[Leezorr]

Agree with this line-up but think only one of Minson or Roughy will be selected in the ruck, or one of Roberts and Roughy in defence, McLean to come into the side.

I just think with 4 on the bench and limited rotations you will have to play 2 ruckmen.

 

[Pugz89]

I just think with 4 on the bench and limited rotations you will have to play 2 ruckmen.

Or could you play Minno who will ruck 80% of game time, Toyd chops Will out when needed which gives us the flexibility to play an extra running type player? for example.

 

[LondonBulldog]

Adams and Collins will be doing well to get ahead of cordy.

Ha ha, are you kidding, for KPB Adams is a mile ahead of Cordy. Cordy is a flanker at the moment and will be for at least a few more years. It just comes down to pure strength. You can't have kids against men. Adams has a mans build, is older and is super strong in one of ones. Cordy although a competitor just doesn't have this strength yet.

 

[Roscoe_au]

Ha ha, are you kidding, for KPB Adams is a mile ahead of Cordy. Cordy is a flanker at the moment and will be for at least a few more years. It just comes down to pure strength. You can't have kids against men. Adams has a mans build, is older and is super strong in one of ones. Cordy although a competitor just doesn't have this strength yet.

Interested to see Adams in the practice matches. See if he lives up to the hype.

 

[Mofra]

Adams and Collins will be doing well to get ahead of cordy.

Cordy has had some injury interruptions though hasn't he?

I don't think Adams is your traditional "tall" backman either - WAFL watchers note he doesn't really play taller than his height the way Morris does (or the way Collins did at u18 level) and he's giving up height and experience to Roberts and Hamling so I'll assume he's well behind our two current established backmen.

We may consider playing Roughy as a defender this game with one other tall in support and going shorter (or playing Morris taller) 8-10 minutes per quarter when Roughy is chopping out in the ruck, playing Misnon as first ruck and then we'll have either Redpath or Boyd as the tall forward (not both) with mid sized players and resting mids / high forwards making up the rest of the numbers.
That gives us one spot to play Bailey Dale / Caleb Daniel in that high forward role both played (well) last year.

 

[True Dog]

Not sure we'll see Adams playing the defensive monster role anytime soon. He plays more like a 98KG Easton Wood only taller with a touch of mongrel that isn't going unnoticed. Given his physical attributes and better that average game sense I see him fitting into our back six in some capacity sooner rather than later. He's attacking flair, speed and monster boot should fit in nicely with our game style.

One thing for sure it makes for some good competition and depth which can only be a good thing

 

[fronkalicious]

Ha ha, are you kidding, for KPB Adams is a mile ahead of Cordy. Cordy is a flanker at the moment and will be for at least a few more years. It just comes down to pure strength. You can't have kids against men. Adams has a mans build, is older and is super strong in one of ones. Cordy although a competitor just doesn't have this strength yet.

Forgive me for not being of the "has big muscles, must be a good footballer" persuasion.

 

[Yojimbo]

Adams and Collins will be doing well to get ahead of cordy.

You could argue they have already got ahead of Cordy in an alphabetical
sense that is.

 

[Ozil]

Ha ha, are you kidding, for KPB Adams is a mile ahead of Cordy. Cordy is a flanker at the moment and will be for at least a few more years. It just comes down to pure strength. You can't have kids against men. Adams has a mans build, is older and is super strong in one of ones. Cordy although a competitor just doesn't have this strength yet.

Bigger does not necessarily = better equipped as a defender.

Cordy is not a flanker, he's a third tall at worst and a capable backup key defender at best, for now. That much is obvious in the way he plays and trains.

I'd have no issue picking him ahead of Adams in a key post, if Round 1 was this weekend.