Round 1: Tigers vs Blues

[Bluebear]

Nathan Brown kicking 4 goals.

Brett Deledio getting 30 possessions.

Richard Tambling in our best players every week bar one.

Graham Polak convincing a majority of Tiger fans he'll be a gun when most were firmly against the trade.

I could go on too.

Must have had some better games after the Geelong loss.

Look, not trying to be a smart ass here, but you make no sense. Surely Brown kicking 4 goals on a kid, or Deledio getting 30 possies without being tagged is NO DIFFERENT to other guys or teams doing well.

You either rate the pre-season or you don't. Individual or team.

Listen, Carlton have played some good footy and you can't dismiss that entirely. Having said that it is easy to play good footy against crap teams. We were competitive against top 4 teams, you just beat bottom 4 teams.

Yes, we beat bottom 8 sides - they are actually the only ones who try in the pre-season as proven by the form of Saints, WCE, Sydney, Melb etc. So I would argue that to beat bottom 8 sides in the pre-season is better than a win vs the top 8. This is also supported by the fact that every winner in week 1 beat a team in a higher position than them on the ladder after 2006 H&A.

I'll remind you of last year. We beat the Dogs by 12 goals, then 3 weeks later in Round 1 they beat us by like 120 points!

That is why I don't rate wins in the pre season.

So beating 4 bottom 4 sides playing their full avaiable lists and trying their hardest to win doesn't count for anything, but Brown kicking 4 goals in these conditions:

In soccer terms, this game was a ``friendly'' with both camps happy to escape without injuries, although it was a good hitout in hot conditions.

is impressive.............i think we should agree to disagree.

 

[lids2004roar]

Bluebear the consistent individual form for players such as Murphy is what you should be taking out of the pre season, not the fact you beat a bottom 4 team.

Yes they may have tried harder, but you still don't know how you will go against a real team.

Maybe it's more about not knowing where Carlton will go. It's more assuring to think that beating some low teams while having good form themselves is more of a sign of a slight improvement rather than a conversion to dominance.

Atm it's only fair to assume that Carlton are about a 12th placed team. They are no longer the worst. So yes NAB form means a little but you need to know how to approach it because without caution you'll think you've had the best preperation out of anyone this year. Some of your players have stepped up, you haven't proven you are in the same league as the legitimate final 8 contender in Richmond.


We have had the same pre season form as West Coast if you're going to continue using pre season wins. I'd rather be grouped together with West Coast than Carlton

 

[BoundforGlory]

Who cares they are both bottom four hacks!!

Rather watch DVFL please!

 

[Melbdave81]

Bluebear the consistent individual form for players such as Murphy is what you should be taking out of the pre season, not the fact you beat a bottom 4 team.

Yes they may have tried harder, but you still don't know how you will go against a real team.

Maybe it's more about not knowing where Carlton will go. It's more assuring to think that beating some low teams while having good form themselves is more of a sign of a slight improvement rather than a conversion to dominance.

Atm it's only fair to assume that Carlton are about a 12th placed team. They are no longer the worst. So yes NAB form means a little but you need to know how to approach it because without caution you'll think you've had the best preperation out of anyone this year. Some of your players have stepped up, you haven't proven you are in the same league as the legitimate final 8 contender in Richmond.


We have had the same pre season form as West Coast if you're going to continue using pre season wins. I'd rather be grouped together with West Coast than Carlton

In who's opinion, yours? Get a grip. Good to see that you want to be grouped in the same breath as West Coast, i suppose you did pick up Polak

 

[Bluebear]

Bluebear the consistent individual form for players such as Murphy is what you should be taking out of the pre season, not the fact you beat a bottom 4 team.

Yes they may have tried harder, but you still don't know how you will go against a real team.

Maybe it's more about not knowing where Carlton will go. It's more assuring to think that beating some low teams while having good form themselves is more of a sign of a slight improvement rather than a conversion to dominance.

Atm it's only fair to assume that Carlton are about a 12th placed team. They are no longer the worst. So yes NAB form means a little but you need to know how to approach it because without caution you'll think you've had the best preperation out of anyone this year. Some of your players have stepped up, you haven't proven you are in the same league as the legitimate final 8 contender in Richmond.


We have had the same pre season form as West Coast if you're going to continue using pre season wins. I'd rather be grouped together with West Coast than Carlton

Any evidence to support moving beyond "The best team outside the 8".

Yes, I do take the fact that Fev, Stevo, Murph, Walker, O'hAilpin, Waite, Simpson, Bentick, Carrazzo, Cloke, Houlihan, Fisher, Scotland, Thornton, Lappin......have had very good individual form. Since thats 15 of our starting 18 at what point does it convert to a good team performance, other than for the fact they kept winning?

You still haven't explained why an individuals form against nobodies, or younger inexperienced players is more impressive than wins vs full sides playing their hardest.
I suspect you won't because its an arbritrary delineation to make.

You like it if three or four of your best guys kill some of their opponents, I like it that my team, as a whole are playing a good brand of footy, with some exceptional individual performances along the way.

Again, lets just agree to disagree..............please.

 

[beaver fever]

Terry's ultraflooding of the Crows defence in that game, was probably the most extreme example of that tactic ever seen. I remember the Tiges fans booing their own team over those terrible tactics. I'm pretty sure Terry will ultraflood this game. I guess those 3, 100+ points humiliations in 2006 always concern Terry. The Tiges badly need a complete list rebuild.

Parrot, I don't know how many times it will take but I'll try again for the nth time.

Richmond did NOT employ an ultra-flood against Adelaide. Richmond played keepings off to COUNTER the flood that adelaide employed in our forward line. seriously dude you have the worst capacity to learn than anyone on BF.

 

[Thrawn]

Parrot, I don't know how many times it will take but I'll try again for the nth time.

Why do you guys even bother replying to him anyway?

Save the discussion for the people who have an idea.

That's his name for a reason. No matter what you say or do, he'll repeat the same thing (in principle anyway).

 

[beaver fever]

I think the tigers should win this game, but it will be a tight contest.

I don't understand why blues fans think their forward line will be too much for richmond and their backline too good for the tigers forward line? The same players mentioned played last year and it didn't seem to be the big task it is made out to be for round 1.

 

[beaver fever]

Why do you guys even bother replying to him anyway?

Save the discussion for the people who have an idea.

That's his name for a reason. No matter what you say or do, he'll repeat the same thing (in principle anyway).

What can I say, his blatant wrongness is just too annoying to let slide.

 

[Andyt30]

Carlton by 65pts, fev will be unstoppable depending how fit Richo is no doubt o'halpin will be on him

Richmond can stick as many players on fev which would other blues open
richmond can't afford to have too many on fev
we'll kill out the centre bounces
like we did grand final stevens will get a lot off touches
we'l have a full side Will Richmond have the Enegy to keep up with us for 4 full Quarters

 

[weagles_fan]

Carlton by 65pts, fev will be unstoppable depending how fit Richo is no doubt o'halpin will be on him

Richmond can stick as many players on fev which would other blues open
richmond can't afford to have too many on fev
we'll kill out the centre bounces
like we did grand finalstevens will get a lot off touches
we'l have a full side Will Richmond have the Enegy to keep up with us for 4 full Quarters

pre season game, not final or grand final just a practise match

 

[lids2004roar]

In who's opinion, yours? Get a grip. Good to see that you want to be grouped in the same breath as West Coast, i suppose you did pick up Polak

lol I'll pay that

You still haven't explained why an individuals form against nobodies, or younger inexperienced players is more impressive than wins vs full sides playing their hardest.

A 95% strong Melbourne are MUCH better opponents than a 100% strong Brisbane

Again, lets just agree to disagree..............please.

Unless one of us admits our team is crap and will lose, then yes

 

[Bluebear]

lol I'll pay that



A 95% strong Melbourne are MUCH better opponents than a 100% strong Brisbane





Unless one of us admits our team is crap and will lose, then yes

I have but one final request (leaving these threads due to boredom)

Please come onto the blues board post match - win lose or draw.
I'm certain if I turn up here post match the mods will be contacted and I'll be banned for trolling, simply for telling you the answer to your questions re - improvement and pre-season form.

 

[sante]

Bluebear - Would you be happy if the 15 or so players you mentioned didn't improve on their form through out the year?

If they didn't, you'd end bottom. It seems as though some Carlton fans think that the form you're in will help you make heavy inroads, trust me you are deluded if you believe that. Even the players themselves would say "there's a lot more improvement left"...which won't come mind you...

Also, I would visit the Carlton Board post-match but the mods banned me for the same discussion in my 'Can the Blues win 5 in a row' thread

Our mods said they won't ban other supporters for that stuff BB...we aren't sooks!

 

[Melbdave81]

Bluebear - Would you be happy if the 15 or so players you mentioned didn't improve on their form through out the year?

If they didn't, you'd end bottom. It seems as though some Carlton fans think that the form you're in will help you make heavy inroads, trust me you are deluded if you believe that. Even the players themselves would say "there's a lot more improvement left"...which won't come mind you...

Also, I would visit the Carlton Board post-match but the mods banned me for the same discussion in my 'Can the Blues win 5 in a row' thread

Our mods said they won't ban other supporters for that stuff BB...we aren't sooks!

Why wouldn't some or all of the players mentioned before continue to improve?

 

[Blues_Man]

Blues to win by plenty ...expect the spitting to start early this year

 

[Thrawn]

Also, I would visit the Carlton Board post-match but the mods banned me for the same discussion in my 'Can the Blues win 5 in a row' thread

Our mods said they won't ban other supporters for that stuff BB...we aren't sooks!

You're supposed to respect the team when posting on their board. The Carlton board has a zero tolerance policy on trolling, or any comment that is insulting that shows you're full of it. It's not our fault you didn't read the rules. Any kind of disrespect won't be tolerated.

We are fair game on BigFooty, but the Carlton board is the only place where we're free from such crap. I didn't see what you wrote in particular, but if I was still mod I probably would've just given you a warning. But the mods must've seen something bad enough to ban ya. After all, zero tolerance.

We've been hit from pillar to post in the last few years, if you do it on our board then too bad, you're out. Thems the rules of our board champ. If you can't follow them, why bother at all?

 

[Bluebear]

Bluebear - Would you be happy if the 15 or so players you mentioned didn't improve on their form through out the year?

If they didn't, you'd end bottom. It seems as though some Carlton fans think that the form you're in will help you make heavy inroads, trust me you are deluded if you believe that. Even the players themselves would say "there's a lot more improvement left"...which won't come mind you...

Also, I would visit the Carlton Board post-match but the mods banned me for the same discussion in my 'Can the Blues win 5 in a row' thread

Our mods said they won't ban other supporters for that stuff BB...we aren't sooks!

Now you're just being silly. If none of the players in the comp improve on their current form - i.e. pre-season form then........guess what champ..........no.17 + 1million dollars + ?? first team to go from spoon to flag (haven't checked that).

Now before you jump up and down saying I think we'll win a flag.......I don't.
But, we will improve through the year, you will improve through the year.....all teams will. If everyone stays where they are right now we have already proved we are the best - see NAB cup results.

 

[Johnny_3]

He got 2 kicks! That is 1 more than Trent Knobel the other week!!


Considering Tambling's excellent NAB Cup form in his debut year was "still crap because it's easy to look good in the NAB" what will happen to Gibbs I wonder.

It's great watching these little Carlton supporters squirm now that they have to be hypocritical in order to support Gibbs in any way

You once bagged Tambling for being a dud cos he didn't set the world on fire right away. At least he set part of the world on fire for a few matches.... Gibbs can only get one more kick than Trent Knobel

Gibbs plays 20 minutes a game.
Don't want to ruin him too early.
Or put him on the halfback line for long enough he becomes a #1 pick HBFer Ala Deledio

Chances of Ben Cousins sobering up>>>Tambling

 

[Staaar_Blue]

He got 2 kicks! That is 1 more than Trent Knobel the other week!!


Considering Tambling's excellent NAB Cup form in his debut year was "still crap because it's easy to look good in the NAB" what will happen to Gibbs I wonder.

It's great watching these little Carlton supporters squirm now that they have to be hypocritical in order to support Gibbs in any way

You once bagged Tambling for being a dud cos he didn't set the world on fire right away. At least he set part of the world on fire for a few matches.... Gibbs can only get one more kick than Trent Knobel

You have absolutely no idea do you. Your team will finish 9th/10th this year and until 2020. Tambling has had hardly any impact on the game for the amount of time he has had and considering the high draft pick he was. His NAB Cup form has been good? Did he have an opponent in those challenge matches? Gibbs will be a much better player than Tambling.

As for Johnson wearing Stevens like a glove...? One of the worst captains this decade in my opinion. Tivendale to get 28 posessions....HAHAHA...Mate u should start your own thread for this sort of comedy. Get your head out of your a**. Seriously if you are going to write stuff on here, please have some sort of evidence to support your stupid comments.

 

[Jimthegreat]

I'd rather be grouped together with West Coast than Carlton

Probably not the best time to make that quote!........lol

 

[Jimthegreat]

The reason I'm tipping Carlton (other than the fact I support them) is that I think they'll be stronger in the clinches. Not exactly a Tiger strong point over the years. That's the area where I think Carlton has the better ability to shut down the Richmond runners in what will be a reasonably tight game. I went for the 0-30 spread as I don't think they'll be that much in it.

 

[Johnny_3]

Richmonds lack of backline
2nd Rate midfield
Inconsistent forward line
If simmo plays, a better ruck division if not,

V

Carltons new and improved back 6
A classy midfield not only for the future but for now
An ever improving forwardline with a consistent fev
Con: Rucks

Close match or a blowout both in favour of Carlton. It really depends on Terry's SUPA-FLOOD.**



**the super flood has proven to be quite a good tactic in recent times but opposition such as carlton has encountereed and beaten a similar flooding technique, no guarentees.

 

[sante]

You have absolutely no idea do you. Your team will finish 9th/10th this year and until 2020.

I'd bet 1 million dollars that we won't end 9-10th every year from now until 2020 I think you have no idea or you're just a bad troll.

Richmonds lack of backline
2nd Rate midfield
Inconsistent forward line
If simmo plays, a better ruck division if not,

V

Carltons new and improved back 6
A classy midfield not only for the future but for now
An ever improving forwardline with a consistent fev
Con: Rucks

Close match or a blowout both in favour of Carlton. It really depends on Terry's SUPA-FLOOD.**



**the super flood has proven to be quite a good tactic in recent times but opposition such as carlton has encountereed and beaten a similar flooding technique, no guarentees.

You aren't biased at all...

Can you prove to me when Richmond flooded?

 

[Johnny_3]

You aren't biased at all...

Can you prove to me when Richmond flooded?

Adelaide. The worst football match in the history of the AFL. I think the matches back in the olden days where 10 points was a norm would have been more exciting. Not only was the super flood in full effect but the chip-to-chip was up n flyin.