Preview Round 16 vs. Gold Coast, PFS, 4:35pm Saturday 29/06

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SwanDaneFan1991 said:
Is that even legal? Feel like the Suns should be gifted a 50 point handicap /sarcasm :drunk:

No stress on the fact we won last year. So far the Suns have a different coach, so are less of a basket case. Given the different weather up there, out of a frigid Melbourne winter, we don’t want to turn into Geelong, and get slaughtered in the tropic thunder…

Glad they don’t have Gary Ablett Jr anymore, either. I still haven’t recovered from 2013-14, and 2021 during COVID, at the ‘G 😭

Shout out to mods as well. Why am I getting roped into Sydney swans threads still? I’ve never even been onto their board, let alone any other board than Collingwood. I can’t seem to unsubscribe to them, despite having never subscribed?
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Same here regards Swans.
 
sr36 said:
We've been blocking for Nick to flash through the ball drop and then continue to track the footy. You don't think Jordy could block for Nick and then provide a better contest if it doesn't fall for Nick than Sullivan and Finn offer?
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Why take a Rolls Royce and park it in the middle?
I just don't think is a problem we need to fix.

If we tag and Beau becomes that player, then he'll take up a spot and provide the contest.

Leaving JDG at HF (when he's back in ) and then rolling up as a Fwd/Mid is a much better use of him.

I think he gives us scope to swap Nick and JDG from time to time.
Which is great flexibility and constantly asks the oppo different questions.

Just don't think we'll see both very often (unless we are down and in full attack mode).
 

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TheVillageIdiot7 said:
Why take a Rolls Royce and park it in the middle?
I just don't think is a problem we need to fix.

If we tag and Beau becomes that player, then he'll take up a spot and provide the contest.

Leaving JDG at HF (when he's back in ) and then rolling up as a Fwd/Mid is a much better use of him.

I think he gives us scope to swap Nick and JDG from time to time.
Which is great flexibility and constantly asks the oppo different questions.

Just don't think we'll see both very often (unless we are down and in full attack mode).
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I like the thinking because IF JDG is going to be getting 20+ possessions week to week in that role it’s a massive win for us. I just don’t think that’s realistic.

McRae spoke about that game recently in the context of Naicos’ poor efficiency and the plan was to move it forward from the contest at all costs. Dirty ball was the order of the day which meant more ground level contest and more pressure in the game. Against North for example it’s a completely different approach and in Sunday’s forward group he’d have struggled to get 10 possessions because it was zinging around at warp speed which isn’t JDG’s go. GC might give another different look.

If I were to guess I’d say it’s unlikely he goes forward and no chance whilst Pendles is either unavailable or back from injury. I’d say it’s a watch for when/ if we get both Mitchell and Pendles up and going. For the time being I’d rather JDG and Crisp doing the bulk of the bullocking work for Naicos over Macrae/ Sullivan/ Lipinski.
 
TheVillageIdiot7 said:
Why take a Rolls Royce and park it in the middle?
I just don't think is a problem we need to fix.

If we tag and Beau becomes that player, then he'll take up a spot and provide the contest.

Leaving JDG at HF (when he's back in ) and then rolling up as a Fwd/Mid is a much better use of him.

I think he gives us scope to swap Nick and JDG from time to time.
Which is great flexibility and constantly asks the oppo different questions.

Just don't think we'll see both very often (unless we are down and in full attack mode).
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I think you're dead wrong. Nick's going to have a trailer attached at stoppage from now on as you just can't let him flash through the ball drop and then into the space we've created for him. He's too good Too many clearances and too effective clearances.

Him being tagged will reduce his effectiveness - except it'll open up opportunity for us to control and exploit the set up for other mids - where Jordy is ideal

I do think you're right that there will be times that we rotate them forward and Jordy playing Nick's role but they'll have them together a fair bit too.
 
sr36 said:
I think you're dead wrong. Nick's going to have a trailer attached at stoppage from now on as you just can't let him flash through the ball drop and then into the space we've created for him. He's too good Too many clearances and too effective clearances.

Him being tagged will reduce his effectiveness - except it'll open up opportunity for us to control and exploit the set up for other mids - where Jordy is ideal

I do think you're right that there will be times that we rotate them forward and Jordy playing Nick's role but they'll have them together a fair bit too.
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The beauty of Jordy is he's an inside beast, an outside distributor and an impossible forward 50 match up. He's an absolute nightmare match up when on
 
sr36 said:
I think you're dead wrong. Nick's going to have a trailer attached at stoppage from now on as you just can't let him flash through the ball drop and then into the space we've created for him. He's too good Too many clearances and too effective clearances.

Him being tagged will reduce his effectiveness - except it'll open up opportunity for us to control and exploit the set up for other mids - where Jordy is ideal

I do think you're right that there will be times that we rotate them forward and Jordy playing Nick's role but they'll have them together a fair bit too.
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Right back at ya. :)

Nicks had the trailer hitched up for the past month.
The only way he can break that is by flashing through as he doesn't have the body.

So if the plan isn't for him to flash through and have him first choice, then there is really no point in him being in there.

Our CB was probably bottom 4 when both of them were in there.
It would now be probably close to top 4-5 since only Nick has been in there.

Simply because only 1 guy is on the move instead of 2.
I'm yet to see any evidence that JDG can play that stationary, follow up role.
I'd prefer Pendles / Mitchell / Beau (if tagging) to be playing that role.

Happy to be proven wrong.....just don't expect the club thinks it's a pain point that needs JDG as a starting CB mid.

Like i said, its fixing a problem we don't really need to fix.

It's clearly a first world problem.
I just think we get more bang for buck from JDG starting fwd and rolling up into the mid in general play and being the fwd of the ball mid / fwd with stints as the third tall (elliot role).

That setup we ran against ADL is what i'd be looking to test over the next few weeks.
 
TheVillageIdiot7 said:
Right back at ya. :)

Nicks had the trailer hitched up for the past month.
The only way he can break that is by flashing through as he doesn't have the body.

So if the plan isn't for him to flash through and have him first choice, then there is really no point in him being in there.

Our CB was probably bottom 4 when both of them were in there.
It would now be probably close to top 4-5 since only Nick has been in there.

Simply because only 1 guy is on the move instead of 2.
I'm yet to see any evidence that JDG can play that stationary, follow up role.
I'd prefer Pendles / Mitchell / Beau (if tagging) to be playing that role.

Happy to be proven wrong.....just don't expect the club thinks it's a pain point that needs JDG as a starting CB mid.

Like i said, its fixing a problem we don't really need to fix.

It's clearly a first world problem.
I just think we get more bang for buck from JDG starting fwd and rolling up into the mid in general play and being the fwd of the ball mid / fwd with stints as the third tall (elliot role).

That setup we ran against ADL is what i'd be looking to test over the next few weeks.
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I don't understand why you think Jordy isn't capable of playing as that stationary inside mid who gets moving after the initial ball drop. It's easier than being the guy on the move trying to find and time a path to the ruckman's feet. When Nick does get it, we'll have Jordy rather than Sullivan or Finn peeling off and looking to link up. When Nick doesn't get it, we'll have Jordy and not Sullivan or Finn fighting for the footy. It's a no brainer for me. Jordy will improve us at stoppage and he can still work ahead of the ball after stoppage.
 
sr36 said:
I don't understand why you think Jordy isn't capable of playing as that stationary inside mid who gets moving after the initial ball drop. It's easier than being the guy on the move trying to find and time a path to the ruckman's feet. When Nick does get it, we'll have Jordy rather than Sullivan or Finn peeling off and looking to link up. When Nick doesn't get it, we'll have Jordy and not Sullivan or Finn fighting for the footy. It's a no brainer for me. Jordy will improve us at stoppage and he can still work ahead of the ball after stoppage.
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Because i think he is far more valuable to us inside the fwd 50 from CB.
I just don't think it's a phase of play that we need to immediately change.

Its not all about us....but "what the oppo want least".
Jordy playing defensive mid at CB isn't going to change what they do or how they approach the contest.
They'll lock down on Nick and back in the 1v1 regardless.

But what they definitely wouldn't want is JDG inside 50.
The most time they would put into us at match committee (fwd of the ball) is "what if JDG goes fwd....".

Going to leave it there. Just think the automatic "put JDG in the middle" isn't the panacea that everyone thinks.
No doubt he'll end up in there at some point.

Like i said, want to see us get a prolonged look it this and see what it looks like.
If it works, it immediately makes us more dangerous.

Will be a intriguing watch for sure.
 
sr36 said:
I don't understand why you think Jordy isn't capable of playing as that stationary inside mid who gets moving after the initial ball drop. It's easier than being the guy on the move trying to find and time a path to the ruckman's feet. When Nick does get it, we'll have Jordy rather than Sullivan or Finn peeling off and looking to link up. When Nick doesn't get it, we'll have Jordy and not Sullivan or Finn fighting for the footy. It's a no brainer for me. Jordy will improve us at stoppage and he can still work ahead of the ball after stoppage.
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When Jordan and Mitchel were in the middle we were getting slaughter at stoppages. Our CBA work has been so much better since they made way. Maybe the combination Mitchel just leaves us to slow.
 
Granit1962 said:
When Jordan and Mitchel were in the middle we were getting slaughter at stoppages. Our CBA work has been so much better since they made way. Maybe the combination Mitchel just leaves us to slow.
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I think this is it. We can only afford to have one of Mitchell or Pendlebury at centre bounces at a time, complemented by two of JDG/Nick/Crisp for pace.
 
sr36 said:
I don't understand why you think Jordy isn't capable of playing as that stationary inside mid who gets moving after the initial ball drop. It's easier than being the guy on the move trying to find and time a path to the ruckman's feet. When Nick does get it, we'll have Jordy rather than Sullivan or Finn peeling off and looking to link up. When Nick doesn't get it, we'll have Jordy and not Sullivan or Finn fighting for the footy. It's a no brainer for me. Jordy will improve us at stoppage and he can still work ahead of the ball after stoppage.
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I'm pretty sure in the prelim last year against GWS he played that stationary role as opposed to his normal run through role. It's why he racked up a huge amount of ball that game. He plays that role just fine.

People get so down on Jordy but he's usually playing the most difficult role playing in front of the stoppage or moving through the stoppage. It was him who the oppo sides hitched the trailer too in the first half a dozen rounds.

The media is crapping on about taggers like they were just invented 3 weeks ago, yet he was tagged from the start of the year and Nick is getting that tag since he's been out.

p.s. it's good to have 2 guns who warrant such attention.
 
Kirby said:
I'm pretty sure in the prelim last year against GWS he played that stationary role as opposed to his normal run through role. It's why he racked up a huge amount of ball that game. He plays that role just fine.

People get so down on Jordy but he's usually playing the most difficult role playing in front of the stoppage or moving through the stoppage. It was him who the oppo sides hitched the trailer too in the first half a dozen rounds.

The media is crapping on about taggers like they were just invented 3 weeks ago, yet he was tagged from the start of the year and Nick is getting that tag since he's been out.

p.s. it's good to have 2 guns who warrant such attention.
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Since you brought that game up as an example.

Worth pointing out (for context) that Nick attended 20% CBA and JDG 80% in that game.
Hence of the (approx.) 20 CB, JDG attended 16 and Nick 4.

It's almost like it was "one or the other" given the discrepancy in attendance.
I'd actually be curious to see whether we won the ones where both were in attendance.

For the record, we won CB clearance 11-8, with JDG getting 5 (Nick 1).
So clearly by numbers of attendance and clearance, JDG was still the "hit to" option.

I'm not down on Jordy playing there at all.
He's very very good in there when he's the offensive guy.

I've been very clear on this for a long time.....one or the other.
Don't mind which.
Because as you said, both guns.
 

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Granit1962 said:
When Jordan and Mitchel were in the middle we were getting slaughter at stoppages. Our CBA work has been so much better since they made way. Maybe the combination Mitchel just leaves us to slow.
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The addition of crisp can’t be underestimated with our clearance and inside gets
We will need Mitchell also against Cripps and Sydney bulls when the real stuff starts
 
cfc19902010 said:
The addition of crisp can’t be underestimated with our clearance and inside gets
We will need Mitchell also against Cripps and Sydney bulls when the real stuff starts
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Agree, first level mids daicous, crisp and Pendles, with JDG and Mitchell rotating through. I think however, when we have all of Sidebottom, Mitchel and Pendles, are to slow and become vulnerable.
 
cfc19902010 said:
The addition of crisp can’t be underestimated with our clearance and inside gets
We will need Mitchell also against Cripps and Sydney bulls when the real stuff starts
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Pendles has historically been very effective against Cripps, and he will be back much sooner than Mitchell.
 
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