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Albeit a tough road in
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We can lose to the dogs and still play finals
Albeit a tough road in
Kennedy will get more than a send off game before seasons end
I for one am in the JPK straight into inside mid camp. Dogs will literally bully (to no fault of their own) Chad, Rowy, Mills. Their mids are much more mature and experienced, more physical will be a repeat of last game.
Top 4 spot to play for, JPK straight in and if it goes south, oh well would've gone south anyway
Top 4 spot to play for, JPK straight in and if it goes south, oh well would've gone south anyway
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Top 4? You're dreaming. With Freo next week, we are absolutely clinging on to a top 8 spot. Forget top 4.
Either way, lose this and its season donezo
Picking underdone players has a 0% success rate.
We will pick Bell.
Funnily enough, on Saturday had a memory pop up from 2017 maybe? where I was cursing our inability to kick straight and demanding the kicking coach be sacked. Some things haven't changed.
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Ted if you think Buddy is the biggest problem holding him back from having an impact you are not watching. He was putrid Saturday. Tackling and defensive efforts half hearted. Your Schtik is you are trying to say Buddy playing hinders him. Is he going to be our number 1 forward in the future ? Yes most certainly. Is he ready to be now if we tell Franklin GTFO ? Not a hope in hell. As much as people are hanging onto a notion Franklin is a reason for him not being able to impact have you ever looked it from the point of view that this time spent with Franklin and learning off him could also help him be even a little better in the future than we all know he could be ? Logan’s current form is all on Logan. He is struggling. In his current form by all means let’s drop Buddy, have Logan as the key, Reid his wingman, the inconsistent Heeney ( oh ! He’s carrying an injury) and a selfish Papley and see if we are better ? You will be sadly disappointed Ted.
I'm not. Kennedy is not the player he once was and even when fit is barely in our best 22. He is going to be next to useless coming back from a reasonably long term injury and with no match fitness.
Yes hes not the JPK of old but he hasnt played inside mid this entire year. I wouldnt say he doesnt fit in best 22 until we see what happens in his best position not wing or hb. Given our state of the midfield he might actually make it better
Our game against Saints was pretty solid albeit Saints were witches hats. However, we turned them into witches hats when nothing went their way when it was hot early. As Horse said in the post game presser, JPK was stoppage coach.
We just might need a JPK mid game to settle the mids and not give away 5 straight
The coaches are stuck between a rock and a hard place here. They acknowledge that JPK won't be around next year so they have to give maximum time and exposure to the young mids who can (hopefully) play the same role as he does, while he is still around to guide them as well as be an inside mid in case of emergency. When he went out with injury it meant that the young mids had to do or die without JPK as the backup.
Now that he is coming back from injury the coaches have to decide whether or not to continue to back the young mids and give them time and experience, or use JPK and take some of that away from them. One view says we are a big chance this year, while the other says they want to be a bigger chance next year.
If Kennedy is coming in underdone then it's clearly not the right move, but being the ultimate professional he is I wouldn't be surprised if he is in fact ready to go. Warner and Rowbottom have done an outstanding job taking on a much greater midfield load this year, Joey off the bench mainly for around the ground stoppages could be very useful particularly against the dogs. I reckon he'd provide more impact on the game overall than Campbell at this point if he is in fact fit.
All of this is also disregarding the fact that Kennedy provides great leadership out there - something we have been notably lacking in his absence.
All of this is also disregarding the fact that Kennedy provides great leadership out there - something we have been notably lacking in his absence.
Especially one that wasn't setting the world on fire before he went out. I'd be very very surprised if the coaches threw him straight in. To do so would be an act of desperation.
In saying that, when JPK has worked his way back into the seniors, he's playing as an inside mid. With potentially a game or two as sub if the coaches are intent on transitioning him out. But if he plays he plays as an inside mid, and we have the young guys work around him, and I'm sure we'll see their output increase by having JPK doing the hard stuff.
Thats a great line.
compromise and sacrifices all over the place for the now and/or the future
Development v experience, Draft v trade, game plan, players positioning etc etc
Its all very interesting trying to understand it all. One thing Im pretty confident about is that Horse (plus the other coaches) and Harley (plus Gardiner) and Beatson (plus Dalrymple) will have a plan and be doing everything possible to implement it.
Given Bell was mentioned at the presser, I expect him to get a game this week.
Give him 3 quarters in reserves at least and if he dominates the midfield you can think about bringing him back into the midfield at senior level. But then we have to be confident he'll be better than existing options and aside from the substitution into the Hawks game, I'm not sure we've seen that to be confident.
This. If JPK was in ripping form when he went out, maybe you could argue it. Or if there was a less demanding position he could do. But there's not. He's inside mid full time or nothing. It's been a lengthy enough break that 2 weeks training shouldn't be enough to cut it, at his age and his form line (which I don't think is entirely his fault because he's been used poorly).
Give him 3 quarters in reserves at least and if he dominates the midfield you can think about bringing him back into the midfield at senior level. But then we have to be confident he'll be better than existing options and aside from the substitution into the Hawks game, I'm not sure we've seen that to be confident.
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We will not beat the Dogs. Horse is Beverage's easybeat. He always beats Horse. since 2015 they have won 7 from 11. We are not good against them. If we insist on playing the loose player at stoppages we will get slaughtered. They have decent rucks and we will get killed on the Reid ruck. They will just tap the ball to the loose player like Essendon did last week. We do not maintain intensity for enough of the game to beat Essendon, let alone a decent side.
7/11 means 4 times he didn't beat Horse...
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You wouldn't change a team that was embarrassed by the 4th last on the ladder? You are brave. I would change almost everyone. Not too many played well enough to get another game for the club. They were all pretty much shite for most of the game. Ollie tried hard with no help from those cheating bastards in Green. The McCartin brothers, Chaddy. Paps did try. But too many of our players drop intensity and allow too mush space. The game plan stinks too. Especially the spare man the opposition has at stoppages. How about teaching players not to panic in defence. The problem is most of the panic merchants were experienced players, not young players.
We try to move the ball with handball but we are just handballing to players in a worse position which turns the ball over. Our momentum is all forward of the contest and when the ball goes back we get very embarrassed. Easy goals with no opposition. We are one of the easiest teams in the AFL to score against. Then if the opposition wishes to pressure us we go to water. Then we can't score. Our forwards do not work hard enough and players kicking into the forward line often do not look for the best option, they just bomb. Our tall forwards, and sometimes small forwards, are all up against each other in marking contests. They all gravitate to the same position because that is where the coaches have designated the long kick should go. We should never have more than two players in a marking contest but I have seen up to 5 flying for the same ball. bloody stupid.
Our players who are delivering the ball miss more often than not if there are more than one option. Most times kicking it to an opponent between the options. Either that or just missing everyone. Our kicking skills are very bad. Are players putting in the extras? Like, doing extra work on their skills after training. You don't get to a high skill level unless you are constantly practicing your art. I bet Petracca is practicing all the time. You can have all the natural skill you like but if you don't hone those arts you become rusty, just like Dusty. If our boys want to win premierships they need to do extra.
Agreed! He was good in a couple matches late last year when mills was out of the side. But he's a year older, and coming off an injury, so whether he's able to rediscover that form in the remainder of the year is an unknown.
I would love nothing more than for Kennedy to come back in, to be used as an inside mid that works to his strengths, and for him to add the stability that our midfield has needed all year. He's an absolute professional, so body willing, he'll do what it takes to contribute towards making us a better team.
I hope the final chapter in his career has a positive ending!
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Wonderful percentage. Nit pick all you like he's got the wins on the board including 2016 GF. We beat ourselves as much as the umpires helped them. We picked an unfit team. If we want to win a premiership we have to beat all sides. We have to improve out percentage against sides like Bulldogs, who are a middling side. Do you realise, we lose this week we drop out of the eight and we will never get back. because at this stage we are not good enough. We are totally inconsistent. We do not bring intensity for a whole match.
If the umps didn't intervene in 2016, we would have won even having taken underdone players into the GF, and even though we were reliant on a number of inexperienced players.
We were in control before half time, but the umps kept the dogs in the game. With buddy on one leg, and hanners taken out, we were sitting ducks and the dogs took advantage of the armchair ride.
We battled hard all day, but there were only so many hurdles we could handle before it became too much of a handicap.
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We were in control before half time, but the umps kept the dogs in the game. With buddy on one leg, and hanners taken out, we were sitting ducks and the dogs took advantage of the armchair ride.
We battled hard all day, but there were only so many hurdles we could handle before it became too much of a handicap.
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That's all fair Wolfy.
I feel we are a little top heavy & should we bring Ladhams in to play alongside our main ruckman Hickey & Reid, then that makes for a very top heavy team.
I guess that means that Logan gets dropped again only a few weeks after kicking 3.3 against Melbourne.
We have a problem here because Buddy in no way gets dropped but he cannot physically play his best role for the team as that roaming danger up the ground running toward goal. As the match wears on he has to stay deep & hope that he can take a juggling contested mark because he never takes a clean overhead mark anymore. Bud is a ground ball player with the best disposal in the team. I think Richo up on the wing but non way Bud can do that role at 35.
So our best line up would mean out Sam Reid, in Ladhams. Second ruckman for second ruckman.
It may also mean out Logan & in Ronke or Wicks leaving us with two blokes that can help run with the small Dogs team.
Caleb Daniel out is a big plus for us as he is their creator from deep & with forward pressure from an extra small, it swings the game closer our way.
Yes Logan can learn from Bud but he hasn't thus far. He is his own style of player who can take contested grabs. That's never been Bud's go.
Anyway Wolfy, just some of my frustrations coming out on here which could be way off the mark.
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Agreed. But our best will beat them. Let's hope the team brings it
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Hi, just wandering if anyone can tell me where the opposition cheer squad seats at the SCG.
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Opposition supporters are usually in and around Bay 2 in front of the new MA Noble Stand.
Bulldogs fans are also allowed to line the umpires entrance and invited back into their rooms after the game.
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