Preview Round 18, 2023: Gold Coast v St.Kilda - Heritage Bank Stadium, Saturday 15th July, 2:10PM AEST *PERIS DEBUT*

[aussierulesrules]

According to the equivalent thread on the Gold Coast board, they are at full strength at the moment.

Touk and Jeffery were the only ones on their injury list going into this round and Touk played yesterday, so the only one on their injury list now may be Jeffery- who it would seem they don’t consider to be best 22.

So if we manage to beat a full-strength team, who are copping a lot of heat in the media, interstate, that will be an excellent effort.

Very surprised at the odds though, for 6th v 13th.

 

[gubby88]

Bring what we brought last night and should win. Be a good match though

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[Klaatu]

This game his huge.

We really need to win our next 3.

Carlton look like no pushover after that.

If we don't win our next 3, i can see a frustrating end to the season.

I’m tipping we win our next 5


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[Mowman]

This game his huge.

We really need to win our next 3.

Carlton look like no pushover after that.

If we don't win our next 3, i can see a frustrating end to the season.

On recent form Carlton will smash us
They looked good yesterday

 

[pebblesofsand]

I don't think having Campbell would have made one ounce of difference. There's a reason he's in his thirties and has 50 games to his name. He's a genuine back up ruck.

We lost 3 players in the first qtr and had as many shots at goal as a top 4 side.

Take Marshall out of the ruck, Campbell may get a couple of extra taps but we also wouldn't have Marshall with 30 touches, 18 contested, 8 clearances.

Marshall is an average forward.

The question is no whether he's an average forward or not, its whether having him play there while we have limited other options would be a better outcome for the team.

As we've seen week after week, when we lack an experienced big body in the forward half, any half decent intercept marker makes mincemeat of forward structures.

Next week we will once again have no experienced tall players in our forward half.

As for Marshalls 30 touches, his last game and a half have exceptional but up till then he'd been ordinary for quite a while and that was also part of the problem.

 

[Klaatu]

The question is no whether he's an average forward or not, its whether having him play there while we have limited other options would be a better outcome for the team.

As we've seen week after week, when we lack an experienced big body in the forward half, any half decent intercept marker makes mincemeat of forward structures.

Next week we will once again have no experienced tall players in our forward half.

As for Marshalls 30 touches, his last game and a half have exceptional but up till then he'd been ordinary for quite a while and that was also part of the problem.

Who would of forseen King getting injured within 45 seconds, leaving May to roam around you can't cover for that no matter what side & then losing Cordy didn't help, everyones giving credit to Melbs interceptors when we were down our key forward and his replacement in Cordy.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Who would of forseen King getting injured within 45 seconds, leaving May to roam around you can't cover for that no matter what side & then losing Cordy didn't help, everyones giving credit to Melbs interceptors when we were down our key forward and his replacement in Cordy.

Yep - thats exactly why we are talking about structures for next weeks game when King and Cordy will not be available.

Playing Sharman alongside Caminiti as a key tall will make it easier for GC's defensive interceptors.

So are there any other options?

 

[BrutThough]

Yep - thats exactly why we are talking about structures for next weeks game when King and Cordy will not be available.

Playing Sharman alongside Caminiti as a key tall will make it easier for GC's defensive interceptors.

So are there any other options?

I don't think there is.

Maybe playing Campbell but that's the only tall option who would be AFL ready.

Otherwise, we just go smaller and play the ground ball/running game.

 

[beside the seaside]

Yep - thats exactly why we are talking about structures for next weeks game when King and Cordy will not be available.

Playing Sharman alongside Caminiti as a key tall will make it easier for GC's defensive interceptors.

So are there any other options?

We need to find another way to get it in there. We played a lot better last week but our forward entries were still terrible. Remember the one when Wood kicked it to two of their players? We're still panicking with our entries.

 

[Klaatu]

Yep - thats exactly why we are talking about structures for next weeks game when King and Cordy will not be available.

Playing Sharman alongside Caminiti as a key tall will make it easier for GC's defensive interceptors.

So are there any other options?

Campbell or Moose will not play next week Campbell will be on the plane to GC but won't play, Marshall isn't effective playing forward.

GC 2 backman are Ballard & Collins > Caminit,Collins & Ballard goes to Mitchito leaving Sharman to be picked up by their 3rd tall.

 

[Klaatu]

We need to find another way to get it in there. We played a lot better last week but our forward entries were still terrible. Remember the one when Wood kicked it to two of their players? We're still panicking with our entries.

Can always get better no doubt, we missed easy goals which would of had us winning the game & if we had of won no one would be looking at entries look how 50m entries we had 52 to 46 it's all about efficiency.

 

[bird_man]

The question is no whether he's an average forward or not, its whether having him play there while we have limited other options would be a better outcome for the team.

As we've seen week after week, when we lack an experienced big body in the forward half, any half decent intercept marker makes mincemeat of forward structures.

Next week we will once again have no experienced tall players in our forward half.

As for Marshalls 30 touches, his last game and a half have exceptional but up till then he'd been ordinary for quite a while and that was also part of the problem.

You'd be robbing Peter to pay Paul though.

Marshall' s work in the midfield is what kept us in the game on the weekend. Without him we dont get near the opportunities we had forward.

He's putting together a good season, not sure what you are on about. He's been widely recognised in the media and even by opposition rucks.

Replace him with a GOP like Campbell and we'd be going backwards, all to get "experience in the front half that rarely has much of an impact forward.

 

[dudeintheswamp]

Yeah injury permitting I can see them going with Battle Higgins, and Hill, keeping Sharman with Byrnes the sub. Maybe another week or two at Sandy for Clark.

 

[gringo2011]

Positively dripping with rhythm

If that doesn't get you up on the floor you don't have a pulse.

 

[gringo2011]

Who would of forseen King getting injured within 45 seconds, leaving May to roam around you can't cover for that no matter what side & then losing Cordy didn't help, everyones giving credit to Melbs interceptors when we were down our key forward and his replacement in Cordy.

That's true but I think we have an issue with poor inside 50 kicks. We seem like we struggle to work out where to put the ball to open up a zone defence. We aren't alone there either, defences set up to repel and Melbourne are one of the best. We need to find some different ways to get the ball inside other than kicking it between 20 to 40 meters from goal straight in front. You need to either work out wide, have someone who can hit long range goals or get out the back of the zone which is thin and needs good kicking. Otherwise you try to have one guy who you isolate while others drag the defence out to make holes.

 

[pebblesofsand]

You'd be robbing Peter to pay Paul though.

Marshall' s work in the midfield is what kept us in the game on the weekend. Without him we dont get near the opportunities we had forward.

He's putting together a good season, not sure what you are on about. He's been widely recognised in the media and even by opposition rucks.

Replace him with a GOP like Campbell and we'd be going backwards, all to get "experience in the front half that rarely has much of an impact forward.

See that's the thing, maybe what's happening is that we are paying Peter twice and not paying Paul at all.

Essentially you're saying we need Marshall in the ruck because our forward structures are poor.

I'm saying that does playing Marshall forward this week (since we won't have King or Cordy) make our forward structures better meaning we can go with a lesser option in the ruck.

It simply doesn't matter how many times the ball goes inside 50 if the opposition win it back every time.

Peter AND Paul both need to be paid.

 

[gringo2011]

See that's the thing, maybe what's happening is that we are paying Peter twice and not paying Paul at all.

Essentially you're saying we need Marshall in the ruck because our forward structures are poor.

I'm saying that does playing Marshall forward this week (since we won't have King or Cordy) make our forward structures better meaning we can go with a lesser option in the ruck.

It simply doesn't matter how many times the ball goes inside 50 if the opposition win it back every time.

Peter AND Paul both need to be paid.

If Marshall plays like he did last match, you move a guy who was probably BOG to a position that he's barely competitive in and putting in a VFL journeyman ruck that might win the same amount of hit outs but do nothing much else.

 

[BrutThough]

Who would of forseen King getting injured within 45 seconds, leaving May to roam around you can't cover for that no matter what side & then losing Cordy didn't help, everyones giving credit to Melbs interceptors when we were down our key forward and his replacement in Cordy.

Joey spoke about that on First Crack last night.

He thought we did put some different things in place to limit the intercepts and most of May's were when we were under pressure from hack kicks rather than from a poor overall set up. Also seemed like he was responding to Kane's comments earlier in the day highlighting how young our forwards are compared to the All Australian defenders who are beating them.

 

[Saintbloke]

No excuse for poor kicking, but some of those bomb kicks into our forward line against the Demons, were in the air quite a bit and if our forwards were watching the ball, then they would have had time to be in a good position to mark, but got caught watching the game or looking at their opponents.

 

[bird_man]

See that's the thing, maybe what's happening is that we are paying Peter twice and not paying Paul at all.

Essentially you're saying we need Marshall in the ruck because our forward structures are poor.

I'm saying that does playing Marshall forward this week (since we won't have King or Cordy) make our forward structures better meaning we can go with a lesser option in the ruck.

It simply doesn't matter how many times the ball goes inside 50 if the opposition win it back every time.

Peter AND Paul both need to be paid.

I did not say we need Marshall in the ruck because our forward structure is poor? Where did you get that from?

We need Marshall in the ruck because he's much better than the chumps we have in the VFL and he's also ordinary forward.

 

[Klaatu]

That's true but I think we have an issue with poor inside 50 kicks. We seem like we struggle to work out where to put the ball to open up a zone defence. We aren't alone there either, defences set up to repel and Melbourne are one of the best. We need to find some different ways to get the ball inside other than kicking it between 20 to 40 meters from goal straight in front. You need to either work out wide, have someone who can hit long range goals or get out the back of the zone which is thin and needs good kicking. Otherwise you try to have one guy who you isolate while others drag the defence out to make holes.

Agree look at Melbs entries out wide kicking goals from boundaries, also our defence worked well on Saturday there were many a time Melb stopped and propped going forward even used the across ground outlet many a times,Lever looked bewildered at time as to what to do with the ball, so the defensive side of our game is coming back now we need the run and carry into our FWD 50 entries, hopefully Hill coming in will help.

 

[pebblesofsand]

I did not say we need Marshall in the ruck because our forward structure is poor? Where did you get that from?

We need Marshall in the ruck because he's much better than the chumps we have in the VFL and he's also ordinary forward.

"Without him we dont get near the opportunities we had forward."

I took that to mean you thought we needed him him more in the ruck because we need as any opportunities inside 50 as we can get.

Again the issue is not whether Marshall is an ordinary forward, its whether he maybe the best option given our lack of available choices.

I'd be happy to play King Cordy or even Battle but none of them are available and as "ordinary" as Marshall may be as a forward, I think he might be a substantially better option than Sharman.

 

[The Punter]

There's no evidence that Marshall provides us something above replacement as a forward. Both Tom Campbell

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Tom Campbell

Age

33

Ht

201cm

Wt

108kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.1

2star

K

4.2

2star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

1.6

4star

HO

17.0

5star

D

5.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

2.0

1star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

2.0

5star

D

7.2

2star

K

4.2

2star

HB

3.0

3star

CL

1.2

4star

HO

13.2

5star

and Jack Hayes have more career 3 goal games than Marshall. Leave Marshall where he is.

 

[sauce_head]

There's no evidence that Marshall provides us something above replacement as a forward. Both Tom Campbell and Jack Hayes have more career 3 goal games than Marshall. Leave Marshall where he is.

Is Hayes available yet?

 

[SteeleSaints]

On recent form Carlton will smash us
They looked good yesterday

Agreed we are no guarantees to win any of games on the run home. I would be disappointed if we dont play finals, but the chasing pack are coming hard, our percentage has dropped quite a bit and we will need to improve significantly if we are to win enough games to remain in the top 8.

Having Steele back in form helps, plus Jones & Billings back in the side but losing King will leave a hole. Having said that we played our best footy at the start of the year without King, so if someone can step up to fill his role it will be a bonus. Opportunity often creates players and now is the time for a number of likely fill ins to step up. I dont know what Jack Hayes match fitness and AFL readiness is like, but he would be the obvious choice when fit. Otherwise as previously stated I would like to see Moose get a couple of games, to just to give him a taste of the next level.

Although winning games and making finals is important, we shouldnt take our eyes off the future development of players. Particularly when it looks like we are going to be spending on bringing in another ruckman at seasons end, why not see what we already have?