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Did he really? ****in hell here we go....Adam Simpson called us the best 0-5 in the history of the game lmao.
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Did he really? ****in hell here we go....Adam Simpson called us the best 0-5 in the history of the game lmao.
Yeah, when the game was a lot slower and teams set up forward lines that stayed forward instead of emptying them out to help in defence.The same early 2000's period where there was an average of 50 interchanges per side yet teams still had 2 rucks as opposed to now when they're permitted 25 more changes than that?
They used 30 rotations in the early 2000's. Its hardly relevant.Of course we won't. You're comparing the style of football played in the early 2000s, where there was no interchange cap so you could afford to have a second ruck on the bench, to now, where there is an interchange cap and therefore a lot more running required of the midfield. No one is putting 5-6 rucks on a modern AFL list because of the restraints that the AFL have put on interchange.
The only time you're ever going to have two rucks in a team is if you have an elite one like Gawn and a ruck/forward like Jackson. that can swap on the field and both still produce for the team.
See:They used 30 rotations in the early 2000's. Its hardly relevant.
Yeah, when the game was a lot slower and teams set up forward lines that stayed forward instead of emptying them out to help in defence.
Apples and hand grenades.
Collingwood look pretty ordinary this season!How tf did they manage to beat Collingwood?
That's not the reason why we had 5 on the list and added Brooks in 2001 and quickly traded him out 12 months later to end up with 4 on the list.See:
I think a large part of it is now clubs don't want to be repeatedly drafting players, that even if they come good, you're unlikely get many games out of for the first 4-6 years. Clubs (or at least recruiting departments) are more risk averse. The other one is, until maybe last year with Gawn when was the last time a gun ruck was one of the main reasons a club won a flag? Richmond's was/is average, Hawks didn't rely on it, West Coast had Lycett rather than NicNat in the winning GF, Bulldogs didn't. I'd say you'd have to go back to 2006 and Dean Cox at West Coast to have a ruck be such a key part. 15 years between them and I can see clubs rationale.That's not the reason why we had 5 on the list and added Brooks in 2001 and quickly traded him out 12 months later to end up with 4 on the list.
We had 2 experienced rucks who had, had serious injuries, Primus an ACL and Lade back to back broken leg - the same spot, we drafted a kid in Ackland and we rookie drafted 2 non footballers and gave them a go developing them - we built insurance into our list.
And what a bloody smart move it proved to be, in that 2001-04 period, especially in 2004.
You are not going to see 5-6 when there are only 42 max on the list and there are no long term injuries, but why not when there are maximum lists of 47??
How many sexy flakey flankers who can run up and back, up and back and have average skills and go missing when it counts, do you need on a list?
When you have someone who is out for 12 months, like Primus or Lade were, why not have 4 others on the list, buying a bit of insurance knowing that someone could do another serious long term injury, given ruckmen in general compete in the most contests, and they are notorious for getting collision injuries?
And so what if you have 3 one week playing in the B grade. They might develop skills to play somewhere - like CHF or CHB. i don't think Mr Frampton chose to play at CHB as his first preference.
And its just not Melbourne who play 2 rucks. St Kilda play an ageing Ryder and younger Marshall, WCE regularly play 2 rucks, have for years and did the most amount of running at Subi. Collingwood played Grundy and Cameron yesterday. And every weekend there is around half the sides who do it.
I get it that the 2nd ruck can't be just a tall bloke who can't do much. I'm not saying draft/trade for those sort of players.
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Then how come WCE managed it when they had a list of 47 in 2017 and 45 in 2018 and got a flag out of this policy??Youre never going to have 5 rucks on a list. Its bad salary and lost management
The only circumstances i can see it working are, and even typing this i thought this was a strech
1 is a Cat B rookie, atheltic long shot
1 is a premium ruck who can go forward - see Max Gawn
1 is a forward ruck who is also in your best 22 (Ladhams, Jackson)
Then
You would have an older ruck break glass in type of emergency- Mumford, Stefan Martin, Pruess at Melbourne
Then you would have another draftee ruck coming through
The above set up would be 20% ish of your salary cap on one position where its been proven you dont need a gun ruckman to win a flag
How much of our salary cap do umpteen fukcing flankers take up?Youre never going to have 5 rucks on a list. Its bad salary and lost management
The only circumstances i can see it working are, and even typing this i thought this was a strech
1 is a Cat B rookie, atheltic long shot
1 is a premium ruck who can go forward - see Max Gawn
1 is a forward ruck who is also in your best 22 (Ladhams, Jackson)
Then
You would have an older ruck break glass in type of emergency- Mumford, Stefan Martin, Pruess at Melbourne
Then you would have another draftee ruck coming through
The above set up would be 20% ish of your salary cap on one position where its been proven you dont need a gun ruckman to win a flag
Maybe...Yes, your first 2 points are the reason I am feeling ok with the win but still very flat.
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I have this bloody awful chant in my head from a group that sits behind us “Power, Power, kick another goal”. Most of their other chants are ok but this one makes me cringe.
Maybe I am just a miserable old soul.
Petrie is a stretch, they also knew they had Nic Nat out with a knee. Dont know why you point to that as if its the shining exampleThen how come WCE managed it when they had a list of 47 in 2017 and 45 in 2018 and got a flag out of this policy??
I don't expect to see it when lists are 42. But I would like to see 4, one in each 3 year age group.
Our current ruck stocks are Lycett, Hayes and Visentini…but I’d say our list management views Dixon as a forward/ruck.That's not the reason why we had 5 on the list and added Brooks in 2001 and quickly traded him out 12 months later to end up with 4 on the list.
We had 2 experienced rucks who had, had serious injuries, Primus an ACL and Lade back to back broken leg - the same spot, we drafted a kid in Ackland and we rookie drafted 2 non footballers and gave them a go developing them - we built insurance into our list.
And what a bloody smart move it proved to be, in that 2001-04 period, especially in 2004.
You are not going to see 5-6 when there are only 42 max on the list and there are no long term injuries, but why not when there are maximum lists of 47??
How many sexy flakey flankers who can run up and back, up and back and have average skills and go missing when it counts, do you need on a list?
When you have someone who is out for 12 months, like Primus or Lade were, why not have 4 others on the list, buying a bit of insurance knowing that someone could do another serious long term injury, given ruckmen in general compete in the most contests, and they are notorious for getting collision injuries?
And so what if you have 3 one week playing in the B grade. They might develop skills to play somewhere - like CHF or CHB. i don't think Mr Frampton chose to play at CHB as his first preference.
And its just not Melbourne who play 2 rucks. St Kilda play an ageing Ryder and younger Marshall, WCE regularly play 2 rucks, have for years and did the most amount of running at Subi. Collingwood played Grundy and Cameron yesterday. And every weekend there is around half the sides who do it.
I get it that the 2nd ruck can't be just a tall bloke who can't do much. I'm not saying draft/trade for those sort of players.
Phone brightness, screens locking, pure ignorance to not have it up ready all plays a part.I don’t understand why it’s any different to swiping your card?
Petrie at 34 wasnt drafted as a backup for Kennedy and Darling, he was drafted as a back up for Nick Nat, and thats why he ended up playing 16 games in 2017, Darling played 23 of 24, Kennedy 19 of 24, Lycett 1 game, and Nick Nat 0 games.Petrie is a stretch, they also knew they had Nic Nat out with a knee. Dont know why you point to that as if its the shining example