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Autopsy Round 6 - Fremantle v North - Positives and Negatives
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Only positive I got out of that game is the continued good form of Danyle Pearce. Best player by a mile but even he butchered the ball a few times in the first qtr.
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So you think its ok that our tagger constantly fumbles and bumbles when we are in an attacking position? When was the last time Crowley picked up a ground ball cleanly? I don't see opposition taggers fumbling all the time
Forgot about him, but if I remember correctly Hawthorn did not tag all that often last year.
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Yeah for sure, missed him.
Look, I don't think it's just one or two players - but it doesn't help that's for sure. Though it's obvious in one sense, I said in some pre-game thread that creativity in the fwd 1/2 would be our big issue, but it was worse than I ever imagined because I still thought players like Hill, DPearce maybe Neale and Suban would give us some polish in last 1 or 2 possessions when attacking the goal - but they gave us basically nothing (in that sense). We just needed one of those to step up and give us 2-3 goals at key points and we may well have pinched that.
Also a good point - IIRC the Fremantle of last year was one of the most prominent corridor using teams in the competition.
After watch the team play the last 2 weeks we have been found wanting and the much praised midfield has failed to deliver .
Two 6 day breaks between games have IMHO taken its toll on the playing list and playing injured \sore players hasn't helped .
For those having a go at Johnson ,climb back into the hole you climbed out of .He gave it everything and RTB threw him and Mcpharlin up forward late in the last quarter to try and turn the tide .
Spurr did a very good job keeping his man quiet for most of the game but when the forwards only kick 8 goals how the hell do you expect to win .
Mzungu was given a football lesson tonight by Dal Santo which I'm sure he will learn from .
The players that let us down tonight were Dawson and Crowley .
As senior players they went the niggle and forgot the football .Dawson is a good chance to get a couple of weeks by the MRP and Harvey did a job on Crowley .
Neale and Suban got caught out tonight because they are one sided footballers not because they lacked effort .
The two people who should shoulder most of the responsibility for the failure of the team tonight and last week as well I'm sorry to say Are Kirk and Sumich .
Sumich being our forward coach has failed to get the forward structures sorted out and Kirk has failed to set up and structure out talented midfield into a cohesive unit .
We were exposed by Sydney and tonight North had more run and we failed to go with them .
North were missing their 2 best midfielders in Wells and Swallow ,we where only missing Barlow .
How many times does Pav have to carry the forward line on his shoulders without serious help .
Clarke is a ruckman and that's it ,Sandi kicked 1 goal from a free kick and only held 2 marks in the game .
Walters has been able to paper over a lot of deficiencies as has Ballantyne but with our 2 crumbing forwards missing and since Kepler did his knee we haven't found a replacement that has really worked .
The recruitment of Gumbelton was always a risk and Sumich hasn't come up with a plan B .
Why we are playing an injured Mayne has me completely stumped .You can tell his ankle is still sore by the fact that he can't kick a ball 40 metres and his run and chase from last year ain't there .
RTB is no fool and he will review the game and look to make adjustments but don't expect anything major
Two 6 day breaks between games have IMHO taken its toll on the playing list and playing injured \sore players hasn't helped .
For those having a go at Johnson ,climb back into the hole you climbed out of .He gave it everything and RTB threw him and Mcpharlin up forward late in the last quarter to try and turn the tide .
Spurr did a very good job keeping his man quiet for most of the game but when the forwards only kick 8 goals how the hell do you expect to win .
Mzungu was given a football lesson tonight by Dal Santo which I'm sure he will learn from .
The players that let us down tonight were Dawson and Crowley .
As senior players they went the niggle and forgot the football .Dawson is a good chance to get a couple of weeks by the MRP and Harvey did a job on Crowley .
Neale and Suban got caught out tonight because they are one sided footballers not because they lacked effort .
The two people who should shoulder most of the responsibility for the failure of the team tonight and last week as well I'm sorry to say Are Kirk and Sumich .
Sumich being our forward coach has failed to get the forward structures sorted out and Kirk has failed to set up and structure out talented midfield into a cohesive unit .
We were exposed by Sydney and tonight North had more run and we failed to go with them .
North were missing their 2 best midfielders in Wells and Swallow ,we where only missing Barlow .
How many times does Pav have to carry the forward line on his shoulders without serious help .
Clarke is a ruckman and that's it ,Sandi kicked 1 goal from a free kick and only held 2 marks in the game .
Walters has been able to paper over a lot of deficiencies as has Ballantyne but with our 2 crumbing forwards missing and since Kepler did his knee we haven't found a replacement that has really worked .
The recruitment of Gumbelton was always a risk and Sumich hasn't come up with a plan B .
Why we are playing an injured Mayne has me completely stumped .You can tell his ankle is still sore by the fact that he can't kick a ball 40 metres and his run and chase from last year ain't there .
RTB is no fool and he will review the game and look to make adjustments but don't expect anything major
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I don't know about that. I've not analysed anything so who knows - but we got plenty, more than enough, middle of the field ball and we created some nice moves through the corridor at times. All good teams play the boundary when you have to and I've got no problem with it. The general game plan is OK.
Two big things aren't happening - our fwd 50 pressure, actually defensive pressure around the ground generally is not where we're used to it with Freo. And the other more obvious one mentioned above in my post - poor play in general and lack of goal scoring creativity in the fwd 1/3.
What an amazingly ridiculous post.
The kids you mentioned haven´t been given opportunities, only bit roles in Lyon´s game plan requiring them to be sub, forward pocket, flanker, defensive flanker etc.
Sheridan, Crozier are mids but have never played a full game there. They could easily become high quality mids.
Clarke and Hannath have been played predominantly as forwards with Sandi spending 80% of time in the ruck. Have a look at the games where Clarke has been No 1 ruck - he has often been fantastic. Hannath is young - since when do rucks become matchwinners from day 1?
Taberner and Smith have hardly had any chances. Tabs is still very slight.
Apeness has massive upside - 200cm contested marking beast (11 in the last two games), one of the top runners at the club (huge tank), competitive animal, accurate kick. Hardly played much football apart from the last few years due to his flirtation with Rugby. He has Tippett type upside.
The players that are not going to be part of a Premiership side are not the ones you have highlighted here, but guys like De Boer and Suban who have been spudding it up when given every chance and massive roles, not the guys given part time/bit roles who haven´t had the opportunity to show their full wares.
Geelong had very few first round draft picks, they picked up guys from similar draft positions and put them into a great system and game plan where they could thrive. I think Ross´ game and selection plan is also a little inflexible. Everyone has their role that they learn and play. However when it comes time for a De Boer (was good for a few weeks), Mzungu (great start to the year), Suban to drop that role and step up and become the dominant ball winning mids if a Barlow goes down or Hill gets held, they can´t do it. Hawks have still been able to bring up that next level of players (e.g. Brad Hill), however I am a little concerned that Ross´ way leads to fringe players being stuck as fringe players who are always in and out of the team in favour of a core 20 players. That also leads to predictability - shut down the right players as North did tonight and we´re stuffed. That said, the main issue tonight were horrible skills, poor decisions and a general lack of confidence particularly as the game wore on and more fumbles and stuff-ups caused drooping heads. The failure to convert further depresses confidence.
Full credit to North though. If you haven´t been paying attention, they have been squeezing the hell out of teams in the last few rounds in a way that would make Ross Lyon proud. So much for the defenceless Kanga´s.
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Didn't he slot our first goal against essendon.
If Stone is the midfield coach the I apologise to Kirk but lets face it the structuring of the midfield was very poor in both games .
D Pearce has improved out of sight but how we set up at stoppages in both games has been very terrible .
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That's not right AFAIC. We had 55 inside 50's tonight. 55 against 45 and much of that was driven from stoppages. That should win you games right there, especially the way we usually force teams to come inside 50 so wide. Our midfield is doing OK, not great, particularly defensively at times and our spread is off which is putting us under more pressure than we should be, and has been for a few games. But all said and done, our stoppage work and general midfield play is acceptable from what I can tell.
The system isn't that broken guys, it's just not being executed well and seen through 'til the end. A few 2nd tier players are just a fraction off their game and we're lacking poise and creativity fwd of centre. But we were still in a position to win that game with a few more moments of better execution - same with last week.
Positives
Fyfe - Super impressive in the midfield, managed to bag a few goals also whilst playing in midfield for those that want him forward.
When he rested forward he cant run of his man and get free like he does when in midfield.
Fremantle strangle was back, for about 1 quarter.
Negatives
Kicks going forward/forward line.
This is the Freo of 3 years ago where we get ball and just bomb it to Pav, don't worry if there is 1 player standing 1 step ahead, another player 1 step behind and a 3rd looking to get back and help out.
DPearce had a shocker, absolutely butchered the ball every single time, yes there was others but they didn't butcher every single kick and also didn't get as much of it.
Sylvia might get a game next week without earning it, need to try and do something to add more scoring power.
Fremantle strangle was back but then as we started butchering the ball and struggling to score the effort started to drop off as they weren't getting rewarded for their effort.
Fyfe - Super impressive in the midfield, managed to bag a few goals also whilst playing in midfield for those that want him forward.
When he rested forward he cant run of his man and get free like he does when in midfield.
Fremantle strangle was back, for about 1 quarter.
Negatives
Kicks going forward/forward line.
This is the Freo of 3 years ago where we get ball and just bomb it to Pav, don't worry if there is 1 player standing 1 step ahead, another player 1 step behind and a 3rd looking to get back and help out.
DPearce had a shocker, absolutely butchered the ball every single time, yes there was others but they didn't butcher every single kick and also didn't get as much of it.
Sylvia might get a game next week without earning it, need to try and do something to add more scoring power.
Fremantle strangle was back but then as we started butchering the ball and struggling to score the effort started to drop off as they weren't getting rewarded for their effort.
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Seriously Dawson and Crowley were 1 part of a very ordinary team
You don't know who coaches Freo? Fair dinkum.
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Pretty dirty of Brad given he didn't play that game.
Charman did the initial damage and was then banged into by Mal Michael and a drive by by Chris Scott, then he was off.
We must have been watching a different game because we were killed in the contested ball in the forward line as well by Norths run or should I say our lack of run and spread . Our players were dead in the water by just after half time .
The lack of run was highlighted to anyone watching and that was why Sherridan came on in the later half of the 3rd quarter and De-Boer was subbed .
Our players were not offering leads or running into space to create overlap for the backs to kick to them .We stopped running all over the ground .The exception to that were Mundy and Fyfe but even they had nothing left to give by half way through the last quarter .Sherridan was the only one with run but he had no support hence no real impact from him coming on .The damage had already occurred .
Indeed he did, pretty good goal too
Anyone could have scored a goal against Essendon that day, they were a rabble. Again please tell me all the taggers who bumble and fumble like Crowley does?
I can't think of any other than Clint Jones, but he still has better skills than Crowley.
Like many others he is way down on form and sooner or later his spot will come into question if he doesn't lift. When his direct opponent is smashing him like Harvey tonight, he is useless as he doesn't hurt the opposition and his lack of skills kills us.
