Review Round 9, 2022 - Adelaide vs. Brisbane Lions

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I suppose it shouldn't be a surprise given how much work he has probably put into his rehab, but Eric looked really confident in his movement which was good to see.

The telecast spent an inordinate amount of time focusing on J Berry last night which was weird.

The man is running around without any shoulders. He's a medical marvel - why wouldn't you spend so much time on him?
 
I suppose it shouldn't be a surprise given how much work he has probably put into his rehab, but Eric looked really confident in his movement which was good to see.

The telecast spent an inordinate amount of time focusing on J Berry last night which was weird.

I think it's surprising. Athletes often struggle with trusting their bodies after a big injury, and some never get their mojo back.

Eric has obviously rehab'ed his brain along with his body. It's bloody impressive.
 

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I think it's surprising. Athletes often struggle with trusting their bodies after a big injury, and some never get their mojo back.

Eric has obviously rehab'ed his brain along with his body. It's bloody impressive.
in the past, to me, Eric always looked like a kid playing against men. Saturday he looked like he‘s grown up. No disrespect meant, he has always put his body on the line, but he just looked like a man. Maybe ready to be the main man. As you say very impressive.
 
It is great to be at the stage where we play very badly and still end up with a big win. If we can get everything together in the second half of the year we might have a legitimate chance.

Comments on a few players:

Answerth - was horrendous in the second quarter and poor in the first half as a whole. His had way too many very poor turnovers that came back and hurt us. It looked like he was told to pull his head in and just take the easy short option by hand or pump it long to a contest in the second half but in the last he still managed to clear one kick straight to the opposition in a mile of space who quickly returned it into the 50 for a goal. His disposal skills were always a weakness in his game and unfortunately that continues to be the case.

McInerney - I have to say I have been impressed with the quality of Oscar's tap work the last couple of weeks. He has been clearly the best technician on the ground the last couple.

Berry - has become a run with player the last few weeks and he does a good job. I would like to see him get more of the ball than he did this game.

Hipwood - provided a good contest and crashed packs but he played out of the square which is probably not his strength. It would be great if he could take a mark as well. Still he helped our structure and it is good to have him back.

Payne - I am one of Payne's biggest fans but he is not a forward. It was always foreseeable that we would need a backup KPF coming into the year and it is very poor list management that we are in the position we are. Payne was not getting close the ball enough but he did put on a fair bit of pressure which we don't see a lot from out KPFs.

Coleman - not his best game but he still takes a lot of pressure off the back group. He is very calm and composed when he gets the ball and is a quality user of the ball. He gives us a lot more than Birchall last year that is for sure.

Rayner - is continuing to build up. He is very powerful and hard to handle around the ball and I am hoping he finds more of it as the year progresses.
 
Payne - I am one of Payne's biggest fans but he is not a forward. It was always foreseeable that we would need a backup KPF coming into the year and it is very poor list management that we are in the position we are. Payne was not getting close the ball enough but he did put on a fair bit of pressure which we don't see a lot from out KPFs.
We did get a backup KPF-equivalent coming into the year, and we've been using him as Hipwood's replacement and Fort has been much better than I expected. It's poor list management that we couldn't foresee two thirds of our first choice KPFs being out at the same time? I don't think any club can cover the loss of two talls in the same part of the field unless their existing set of talls were not top-performing ones in the first place.
 
I agree. We don’t have unlimited list spots. Going in with Daniher, Hipwood, and McStay, plus Fullarton and Payne as backups (plus a resting ruck) looks more than enough. It’s unlucky that 3 of them have been injured. It’s not terrible list management.

We need a developing KPF and I’m sure that will be addressed in the coming drafts, but I think it’s harsh to have a go at our list management team because injuries have affected one part of our list.
 
We did get a backup KPF-equivalent coming into the year, and we've been using him as Hipwood's replacement and Fort has been much better than I expected. It's poor list management that we couldn't foresee two thirds of our first choice KPFs being out at the same time? I don't think any club can cover the loss of two talls in the same part of the field unless their existing set of talls were not top-performing ones in the first place.

We had one down already not to plan for the eventuality of another going down was poor.

Every club has at least one true KPF playing in the reserves and most have several development prospects. We have zero. Fullerton was clearly not a forward based on previous form and nothing this year has suggested that that conclusion is wrong.
 
We had one down already not to plan for the eventuality of another going down was poor.

Every club has at least one true KPF playing in the reserves and most have several development prospects. We have zero. Fullerton was clearly not a forward based on previous form and nothing this year has suggested that that conclusion is wrong.
Who would Geelong turn to if Hawkins and Cameron were injured?

Or Richmond if it were Lynch/Riewoldt?
 
We're still winning games with 2 key forwards out and another just returning after a 12 month layoff so I don't see we've planned too badly.

If McStay leaves we'd probably look to add another in the event of Daniher's injury history presuming we don't see Payne or Fullarton ever being up to it full time.
 
We're still winning games with 2 key forwards out and another just returning after a 12 month layoff so I don't see we've planned too badly.

If McStay leaves we'd probably look to add another in the event of Daniher's injury history presuming we don't see Payne or Fullarton ever being up to it full time.
I also think that the coaching staff have worked very hard in the off season to be adaptable within games and be able set up for a smaller forward line when necessary.
We have seen it work a few times already this year, including the last 2 weekends where we changed the way we moved the ball in the second half after the talls being taken out of the game either via injury to the keys or a flooded defence.
 
The issue with key forwards is that they need to play to develop and learn the craft. I don't think Payne looks like a key forward but it's a massive ask to get him to come in to Senior Footy and and play CHF when he's barely had any experience at it. If a key forward is any good and can't get Senior footy he's more than likely to look elsewhere because there are plenty of clubs happy to pay to get one who's ready to go.

Casboult was pretty much shot and very little hope of getting a game at Carlton but he's playing good football at the GC.
 

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The issue with key forwards is that they need to play to develop and learn the craft. I don't think Payne looks like a key forward but it's a massive ask to get him to come in to Senior Footy and and play CHF when he's barely had any experience at it. If a key forward is any good and can't get Senior footy he's more than likely to look elsewhere because there are plenty of clubs happy to pay to get one who's ready to go.

Casboult was pretty much shot and very little hope of getting a game at Carlton but he's playing good football at the GC.

Uh oh!
Now your going to have someone again saying that we should have went harder after Levi Casboult.
 
We did get a backup KPF-equivalent coming into the year, and we've been using him as Hipwood's replacement and Fort has been much better than I expected. It's poor list management that we couldn't foresee two thirds of our first choice KPFs being out at the same time? I don't think any club can cover the loss of two talls in the same part of the field unless their existing set of talls were not top-performing ones in the first place.
Could we also factor that had CEY not told the club that he wasnt getting vaccinated that he would have been delisted at the end of last year and Ballenden could have been kept on or would it have been Joyce that was kept on or were those players gone irrespective? I assume maybe Ballenden wouldnt have been the choice with the recruitment of Cox otherwise if we thought we needed another tall then Cox wouldnt have been recruited. Perhaps as you are saying the club thoughtt had enough tall players for list balance?
 
We're still winning games with 2 key forwards out and another just returning after a 12 month layoff so I don't see we've planned too badly.

If McStay leaves we'd probably look to add another in the event of Daniher's injury history presuming we don't see Payne or Fullarton ever being up to it full time.
I think we should move heaven and earth to keep McStay. People here know might know my view of Joe but I couldn't stand the idea that we'd see Dan walk because we think that Joe can be the man. When Dan and Joe return in a couple of weeks we're going to be forced to make this difficult decision. If we accept that Oscar is going to ruck then we need a second ruck. I think that's going to have to be Fort(on form). So then we've got Joe, Dan and Eric. Can we really play these three in the same forward line? I don't think so.

So for me, we need to strengthen our mids so in comes Dev and out goes Joe
 
Could we also factor that had CEY not told the club that he wasnt getting vaccinated that he would have been delisted at the end of last year and Ballenden could have been kept on or would it have been Joyce that was kept on or were those players gone irrespective? I assume maybe Ballenden wouldnt have been the choice with the recruitment of Cox otherwise if we thought we needed another tall then Cox wouldnt have been recruited. Perhaps as you are saying the club thoughtt had enough tall players for list balance?
I would have loved to have kept Ballenden.......apparently he's playing some bloody good football for the Eagles..........Dammmmmnnnnniiiittttt
 
Who would Geelong turn to if Hawkins and Cameron were injured?

Or Richmond if it were Lynch/Riewoldt?

Geelong have a couple of young talls in SDK and Neale who can come in and play forward. Both rucked largely as juniors but seem to be playing pretty exclusively KP at senior level.

For Richmond they throw Balta forward who is a very solid forward option. They are another team who are overloaded with KPD and short on forward options. Ryan probably the next off the bat but he looked worse than Fullarton last year.
 
Geelong have a couple of young talls in SDK and Neale who can come in and play forward. Both rucked largely as juniors but seem to be playing pretty exclusively KP at senior level.

For Richmond they throw Balta forward who is a very solid forward option. They are another team who are overloaded with KPD and short on forward options. Ryan probably the next off the bat but he looked worse than Fullarton last year.

SDK basically is their only key defender now, and playing bloody well - but he can't be moved forward. Neale hasn't been sighted, but obviously Ratugolea is another one they have when fit.
 
Geelong have a couple of young talls in SDK and Neale who can come in and play forward. Both rucked largely as juniors but seem to be playing pretty exclusively KP at senior level.

For Richmond they throw Balta forward who is a very solid forward option. They are another team who are overloaded with KPD and short on forward options. Ryan probably the next off the bat but he looked worse than Fullarton last year.

Saying SDK is their backup forward is like saying Andrews or Adams could be ours. Sure - both can play forward and do so effectively, but ultimately they (like SDK) are needed in the backline.

While Payne or Fullarton are not ideal backups, they have can both play a role and allow our smalls to play to their strengths. As for how it would hold up against better teams - who knows. Right now though, it's giving us enough to win (and kick 100+ points) while we wait for McStay and Daniher to return - both of which should be back by Freo.
 
Geelong have a couple of young talls in SDK and Neale who can come in and play forward. Both rucked largely as juniors but seem to be playing pretty exclusively KP at senior level.

For Richmond they throw Balta forward who is a very solid forward option. They are another team who are overloaded with KPD and short on forward options. Ryan probably the next off the bat but he looked worse than Fullarton last year.

SDK basically is their only key defender now, and playing bloody well - but he can't be moved forward. Neale hasn't been sighted, but obviously Ratugolea is another one they have when fit.
Exactly my point. If a team like Geelong or Richmond lose 2 key forwards they are left with the calibre of Ratugolea or TDK/Balta (who are much better as key defenders).

We lose our best two key forwards we are left with McStay. That’s our third option. I know who I would rather…

Fullarton, Payne, Fort are significantly ahead of Neale / Ryan.

I’m sure we’ll target a developing KPF in the next draft or two but I don’t consider it poor list management. Which teams have 3 capable options the equal of Daniher, Hipwood, McStay?? It’s bad luck all 3 have been injured at the same time.
 
Also if it's a long term injury in the first half of the season we have the mid season draft to add a McBean or a Ballenden.

Cox was a strange SSP selection though and Lane a strange mid season draft pick before that.
 

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