Round one, Bulldogs V WCE 2012

[TempleKelvington]

I didn't see the games yesterday but listened to some of it on the radio. I was interested in the thoughts of the commentators.

They like Clay Smith, but thought he tried to do too much and went for harder options than he's capable of, and turned it over way to much as a result.

Veszpremi, they liked him, but again his ball use is not good enough. He was the most effective by foot in the U18 comp, but has lost that. They think it's confidence.

They loved Skinner and think he's a lock for round 1.

David King really liked Cordy. He thinks Wallis needs to find a way to gut run and get to more contests, once there he's very good.

They think we should take a risk and put big Tommy Campbell in round 1! They liked the look of Tom Hill also.

So the wash up....

1. Does Campbell get a gig round 1 or Cords or Rougy...or 2 of?

2. Last week I actually liked Grants game, the little things he did. But has Skinner moved ahead again?

3.Clay Smith? Maybe with Cross and Boyd he'll feel less pressure to do too much?

4. The half back role is still open, Veszpremi needs to hit targets or we may as well have Addision there.

Full scale, full team hitout against the cats next week will be instructive. I think it's back to 3 and 1 on the bench, and I'm not sure if we can make changes at half time or not?

 

[Sharkey66]

I didn't see the games yesterday but listened to some of it on the radio. I was interested in the thoughts of the commentators.

They like Clay Smith, but thought he tried to do too much and went for harder options than he's capable of, and turned it over way to much as a result.

Veszpremi, they liked him, but again his ball use is not good enough. He was the most effective by foot in the U18 comp, but has lost that. They think it's confidence.

They loved Skinner and think he's a lock for round 1.

David King really liked Cordy. He thinks Wallis needs to find a way to gut run and get to more contests, once there he's very good.

They think we should take a risk and put big Tommy Campbell in round 1! They liked the look of Tom Hill also.

So the wash up....

1. Does Campbell get a gig round 1 or Cords or Rougy...or 2 of?

2. Last week I actually liked Grants game, the little things he did. But has Skinner moved ahead again?

3.Clay Smith? Maybe with Cross and Boyd he'll feel less pressure to do too much?

4. The half back role is still open, Veszpremi needs to hit targets or we may as well have Addision there.

Full scale, full team hitout against the cats next week will be instructive. I think it's back to 3 and 1 on the bench, and I'm not sure if we can make changes at half time or not?

Actually liked Grants game, presented well, even got physical at times. Skinner, while good at times is still behind him at the moment. A bit too hit and miss.

Really liked Campbell, probobly a better option than either Cordy or Roughead down forward. Recon he and Minno could be a really potent combination.
Little dissapointed in Panos and Howards game, liked Pearce, really liked Jong, Hill was good when he was on.

 

[StringyDog]

I didn't see the games yesterday but listened to some of it on the radio. I was interested in the thoughts of the commentators.

They like Clay Smith, but thought he tried to do too much and went for harder options than he's capable of, and turned it over way to much as a result.

Veszpremi, they liked him, but again his ball use is not good enough. He was the most effective by foot in the U18 comp, but has lost that. They think it's confidence.

They loved Skinner and think he's a lock for round 1.

David King really liked Cordy. He thinks Wallis needs to find a way to gut run and get to more contests, once there he's very good.

They think we should take a risk and put big Tommy Campbell in round 1! They liked the look of Tom Hill also.

So the wash up....

1. Does Campbell get a gig round 1 or Cords or Rougy...or 2 of?

2. Last week I actually liked Grants game, the little things he did. But has Skinner moved ahead again?

3.Clay Smith? Maybe with Cross and Boyd he'll feel less pressure to do too much?

4. The half back role is still open, Veszpremi needs to hit targets or we may as well have Addision there.

Full scale, full team hitout against the cats next week will be instructive. I think it's back to 3 and 1 on the bench, and I'm not sure if we can make changes at half time or not?

While Campbell was good up forward he was smashed in ruck, was blowing hard in less than a quarter going with Goldy, at one stage he was walking hand on hips while Goldy was running 20-25 metres in front of him to get to contests, still has a way to go fitness wise and doubt he is in frame at moment, good things to work with as he is a nice mark and reasonable kick.

Grant was pretty good again, not everything going his way and missed a few shots on goal, but the work rate is there and if he keeps it up things will turn his way, ahead of Skinner at his stage but Skinner showed good signs and Grant has pressure on to keep spot in side and Skinner has tricks and showed a bit further up field more yesterday, he is quite evasive.

Clay Smith was good, lock him in for round 1, just needs to lower his eyes a bit and work a bit more in his limitations. He hits the packs hard.

Vezspremi missed a few targets yesterday, but has looked good in previous weeks, much beter than Addison who played half a game yesterday and could only manage 3 touches of the ball, too slow to play down back, Ves has him covered just needs to learn to tighten up on his opponents at times.

 

[Igloo]

Im really interested to see what ruck setup we go with. Minson will obviously be #1 ruck, but who out of Cordy and Roughead?
Roughead is the better ruckman, but Cordy can do more around the ground.
At this stage i would lean more towards Roughy.

 

[Dazb86]

Im really interested to see what ruck setup we go with. Minson will obviously be #1 ruck, but who out of Cordy and Roughead?
Roughead is the better ruckman, but Cordy can do more around the ground.
At this stage i would lean more towards Roughy.

I'm not too sure at the moment. Cordy has been impressive so far this season. Probably more so than Roughead. I think Roughy is more of a #1 ruckman type than a #2.

Will be interesting to see who they go with.

 

[adam10]

Does anyone think there's a chance all 3 ruck-men could line up round 1? Could be a ruck-full-forward-bench rotation. With Cordy especially being very versatile it could be a weapon having the 3 big men in the game.

Cordy has improved in every game this pre-season and Roughy and Minson have done too much to be sitting in the VFL.

Interesting problem.

 

[hatescaptcha]

I think Cordy's ability to play anywhere will be super handy, throughout games.
So I'm thinking he will be in Round 1.
But also can't see Roughead missing out, it's a tough one.

 

[adam10]

Wood Lake Hargrave
Howard Markovic Murphy
Libba Boyd Smith
Dalhaus Jones Gia
Grant Roughead Skinner

Minson Griffen Picken

Higgins, Cooney, Cross | Dickson

Wallis, Cordy, Vez

I really wouldn't mind seeing this round 1. As much as I'm almost tempted to play 3 talls...

The backs really will need to be at the top of their game as we've experienced first hand how dangerous West Coast's forward line can be. Lake and Marko will play on the 1st and 2nd forward, I'd give Markovic first crack at Kennedy to be honest. Hargrave will have to play tall and should go straight to Darling. Murphy and Howard to add polish out of the backline and the run and carry.

Our second string midfield should how good it was against North. Libba and Smith both stood out to me and both get a round 1 berth for me. The usual suspects will be in there, Boyd, Griff, Cross with Picken taking the best midfielder and I'd almost send him to Daniel Kerr to be honest. Libba, Smith and Dal should all get rotations through the middle. Minson and Roughead will share the ruck duties.

Our forward line is very hard to pick. I think we will have a resting ruck-men at full forward, so one of Minson or Roughy should be down there for the majority of the game. Gia and Dal will be the small forward with Grant being that third tall, he hasn't looked to bad in the pre-season games. Jones as we all know should be our centre half forward, the kid has huge talent. It was out of Skinner or Dickson for that last FP spot but for me Skinner edges it simply because he has that hint of X-Factor about him. He may not rack up disposals but it's little moment of magic that could do us the good.

We need one of Tutt or Sherman to come into this side to inject pace and dash on the wings but with both of them not having much of a pre-season it may take a couple weeks.

 

[TempleKelvington]

Does anyone think there's a chance all 3 ruck-men could line up round 1? Could be a ruck-full-forward-bench rotation. With Cordy especially being very versatile it could be a weapon having the 3 big men in the game.

Cordy has improved in every game this pre-season and Roughy and Minson have done too much to be sitting in the VFL.

Interesting problem.

I do......especially v the WCE. Cordy's ability to play forward or back gives us some flexibility. he could even play ruck/rover and go with NN whenever the WCE try that one out.

But gee....I did like what Campbell did yesterday. It would be brave and tempting to elevate him and play him round 1.

Murphy, Lake, Wood
Veszpremi,Markovic, Hargrave
Griffen, Cross, Picken
Dalhaus, Jones, Cordy
Giansiracusa, Roughead, Dickson
R:Minson, Boyd, Cooney

Int: Liberatore, Clay Smith, Higgins SUB Skinner

Don't see how we can have the 3 rucks plus Grant and Skinner. Ves still not a lock at half back. But reckon he'll get the nod ahead of Addison having thought about it from last week. Campbell could come in for Cordy or Roughy, and for me it would in place of the Roughy. I like Skinner as the Sub. I think he'll work better as an impact player at the moment. Dickson, give us midfield chop out, so he's almost a lock.

 

[murphy2bedabest]

Re: Round one, Bulldogs V WCE 2012asssaa

I would play Cordy as a tall wingman
Cooney to start forward, he'll kick you 3-5 goals and sub him off
Minson and roughead ruck/forward
No grant or skinner

Wood lake hargrave
Murphy Markovic vez
Cordy picken Howard
Dal jones Higgins
Gia roughead cooney
Minson boyd griffen
Libba cross Dickson

Smith

 

[nicko77]

B: Wood, Lake, Hargrave
HB: Murphy, Markovic, Vezspremi
C: Cross, Boyd, Picken
HF: Giansiracusa, Jones, Grant
F: Dahlhaus, Roughead, Cooney
R: Minson, Griffen, Liberatore

I/C: Higgins, Cordy, Djerkurra, Sub: Howard
Emerg: Addison, Smith, Skinner

Aerobically, Cordy I think is importance for his flexibility to play on a resting ruckman and/or have spells on Lynch/ Kennedy with the way West Coast set up, and if they go small he can offer a very mobile change up option across half forward or even for short spells up in the centre of the ground if we wish to structure up taller in the forward line.

Minson and Roughead will be really cut out rucking against those two monsters all day and will need pretty high rotations I would think to work them over and be very competitive in that area of the game.

I've assumed Djerkurra will be able to prove his match fitness given he had a good pre-season until the hand fracture. I feel he's probably a little more experienced in his quality of ball movement in traffic compared to Smith and Wallis at this stage, but I like both of those two youngsters and they'd be worth inclusions. Howard add's some dash and quality ball movement as the sub once the pace goes off. Vezspremi I feel is important as another player who can set up and make good decisions by foot coming out of defence. I see Vezspremi as a potential set up player (alternative to Hargrave and Murphy who opposition teams will try to drag deep to the defensive line).

Slow ball movement out of defence was a big factor in our slide in performance last year, we couldn't clear the ball out efficiently or quickly enough to break the forward press.

It's not a bad side, I'd like to be able to add a bit more goal smarts in and around the side, hoping we can find a regular two goal a game (average) option out of Skinner or Dickson as the season rolls on. Really excited about seeing Minson taking on more ruck work this year will add some real strength and power around the middle of the ground, I haven't seen him this enthusiastic since his early days.

 

[jimmy shine]

I think Skinner and Dickson have shown enough for a round 1 berth. More so zephy.. Hope he gets a run

 

[staphy]

B: Wood, Lake, Hargrave
HB: Murphy, Markovic, Vezspremi
C: Cross, Boyd, Picken
HF: Giansiracusa, Jones, Grant
F: Dahlhaus, Roughead, Cooney
R: Minson, Griffen, Liberatore

I/C: Higgins, Cordy, Djerkurra, Sub: Howard
Emerg: Addison, Smith, Skinner

Aerobically, Cordy I think is importance for his flexibility to play on a resting ruckman and/or have spells on Lynch/ Kennedy with the way West Coast set up, and if they go small he can offer a very mobile change up option across half forward or even for short spells up in the centre of the ground if we wish to structure up taller in the forward line.

Minson and Roughead will be really cut out rucking against those two monsters all day and will need pretty high rotations I would think to work them over and be very competitive in that area of the game.

I've assumed Djerkurra will be able to prove his match fitness given he had a good pre-season until the hand fracture. I feel he's probably a little more experienced in his quality of ball movement in traffic compared to Smith and Wallis at this stage, but I like both of those two youngsters and they'd be worth inclusions. Howard add's some dash and quality ball movement as the sub once the pace goes off. Vezspremi I feel is important as another player who can set up and make good decisions by foot coming out of defence. I see Vezspremi as a potential set up player (alternative to Hargrave and Murphy who opposition teams will try to drag deep to the defensive line).

Slow ball movement out of defence was a big factor in our slide in performance last year, we couldn't clear the ball out efficiently or quickly enough to break the forward press.

It's not a bad side, I'd like to be able to add a bit more goal smarts in and around the side, hoping we can find a regular two goal a game (average) option out of Skinner or Dickson as the season rolls on. Really excited about seeing Minson taking on more ruck work this year will add some real strength and power around the middle of the ground, I haven't seen him this enthusiastic since his early days.

Smith ahead of Vez IMO so Picken to HB Smith to C

 

[adam10]

Would like to see Howard off half back IMO, adds a ton of polish out of that backline and will suit our chipping around style. Patty Vez just doesn't quite make my side unless he has a very good match against the Cats. Though I can see him cracking the side as I think once he become more comfy in that backline and can use his foot skills he'll be a much better player.

I think we have room for 1 of either Sherman or Tutt for a wing spot. Hopefully Sherman can play at-least 3 quaters agasint the Cats he could be a chance for round 1. His pace and x-factor are the reasons why he should play despite his incocnsitency.

 

[Mattie Lyons]

B: Wood Lake Hargrave
HB: Murphy Markovich Veszpremi
C: Cross Boyd Liberatore
HF: Giansiracusa Jones Dahlhaus
F: Higgins Campbell Cooney
Foll: Minson Picken Griffen
Int: Grant Sherman Smith / Skinner (Sub)
Emerg: Howard Cordy Wallis

Next in line: Roughead, Dickson, Panos, Djerrkura, Tutt, Talia, Moles, Addison, Hooper, Hill, Redpath
* Injured: Gilbee (2 weeks), Morris (indefinate), Williams (2017)

 

[LifelongDog]

Really don't think we can have Boyd, Cross, Smith, DJ and Wallis in the side together at the one time. Their ball use by foot is ordinary. Having said that I feel BMac is and will excuse some poor disposal in the short term to concentrate on his contested ball game plan.

Agree with most who are waiting for either or both of Tutt/Sherman to come in and add some dash.

Still don't get the love for Vez, I've watched the replay of Sunday's game, with the delayed sound turned off, his disposal eff must have been close to Smith's, is far too loose and only Big Will would have a bigger turning circle.
Howard to HB for me, isn't get enough of it on the Wing but has really tightened up his defensive game, added some hardness and can run all day which means he can spend time through the midfield and adds polish that we are crying out for. Locks are Wood, Hargrave, Lake, Murph and Marko with really only Murph consistently reliable by foot. Little harsh on Lake/Wood.

Not sure Grant in the forward line is a sure thing for RD 1. Jones, Dahl, Gia, Roughy with Cooney, Higgins, Will, maybe Dickson/Cordy spending time in there.

Providing we get through this week unscathed it should be a long night at the selection table.

 

[Unnamed1]

B: Wood Lake Hargrave
HB: Murphy Markovich Veszpremi
C: Cross Boyd Liberatore
HF: Giansiracusa Jones Dahlhaus
F: Higgins Campbell Cooney
Foll: Minson Picken Griffen
Int: Grant Sherman Smith / Skinner (Sub)
Emerg: Howard Cordy Wallis

Next in line: Roughead, Dickson, Panos, Djerrkura, Tutt, Talia, Moles, Addison, Hooper, Hill, Redpath
* Injured: Gilbee (2 weeks), Morris (indefinate), Williams (2017)

I suppose you think Campbell should be promoted off the rookie list?

In a related matter, I'm not convinced about Roughead's progression over the last 18 months at all. I'd have Cordy in front of him at the moment.. simply because he's more versatile as a 10% ruckman

 

[Big Wilbur]

B: Wood Lake Hargrave
HB: Murphy Markovich Veszpremi
C: Cross Boyd Liberatore
HF: Giansiracusa Jones Dahlhaus
F: Higgins Campbell Cooney
Foll: Minson Picken Griffen
Int: Grant Sherman Smith / Skinner (Sub)
Emerg: Howard Cordy Wallis

Next in line: Roughead, Dickson, Panos, Djerrkura, Tutt, Talia, Moles, Addison, Hooper, Hill, Redpath
* Injured: Gilbee (2 weeks), Morris (indefinate), Williams (2017)

Would this be the slowest centreline in the history of the club?

 

[Royale]

Would this be the slowest centreline in the history of the club?

Quite possible. Though one of our strongest.

 

[staphy]

I don't understand why most people have Vez in the stating side. Could not get a game for the Swans, has struggled to get games for us.

If he is in our starting team then IMO we are going backwards

 

[100action]

I don't understand why most people have Vez in the stating side. Could not get a game for the Swans, has struggled to get games for us.

If he is in our starting team then IMO we are going backwards

He was very good as sub last year, he has also been ok in the NAB cup so IMO he is in our best 22.

 

[DragzLS1]

B: Wood Lake Hargrave
HB: Murphy Markovich Veszpremi
C: Cross Boyd Liberatore
HF: Giansiracusa Jones Dahlhaus
F: Higgins Campbell Cooney
Foll: Minson Picken Griffen
Int: Grant Sherman Smith / Skinner (Sub)
Emerg: Howard Cordy Wallis

Next in line: Roughead, Dickson, Panos, Djerrkura, Tutt, Talia, Moles, Addison, Hooper, Hill, Redpath
* Injured: Gilbee (2 weeks), Morris (indefinate), Williams (2017)

I wouldnt have Cooney in for round 1 do not think he is ready and do not want to rush him in..
I would have Tutt playing if he is injury free (which he should be) or Skinner/Dickson if Tutt is not available to replace Cooney up forward for round 1.

I like Cambell but would need to be elevated to play round 1. So in Cambells place we would have Roughead who is ahead of Cambell Ruck wise although not forward wise.

 

[DragzLS1]

I don't understand why most people have Vez in the stating side. Could not get a game for the Swans, has struggled to get games for us.

If he is in our starting team then IMO we are going backwards

Would pick Addison before Vez although Vez may be handy through out the season especially against the lower ranked teams.

 

[Igloo]

I wouldnt have Cooney in for round 1 do not think he is ready and do not want to rush him in..
I would have Tutt playing if he is injury free (which he should be) or Skinner/Dickson if Tutt is not available to replace Cooney up forward for round 1.

I like Cambell but would need to be elevated to play round 1. So in Cambells place we would have Roughead who is ahead of Cambell Ruck wise although not forward wise.

Tutt's injury is still 2 weeks, so he might have to go through the VFL to get back into the senior side.

 

[Gridlock'd]

FB: Wood, Lake, Hargrave
HB: Higgins, Markovic, Vezpremi
C: Griffen, Boyd, Dahlhaus
HF: Murphy, Jones, Grant
FF: Cooney, Roughead, Giansiracusa
R: Minson, Picken, Liberatore
INT: Skinner, Cross, Wallis S:Howard