Rumour Rumors of cat player in big trouble

[Taylor]

I think this situation says more about the accused personally than it does the club.
Lets be clear here - we all want to see this behavior prosecuted with the full force of the law - if parties are found guilty.
But this is not a matter for footy clubs to handle, it is a serious criminal matter.

The Crown gets it's pound of flesh first, but let's not pretend the AFL won't hold a press conference after ostensibly on his immediate future with the AFL, but it's really an opportunity for the AFL to present itself in the favorable light.

 

[Delisted]

Well, to be fair, almost every scandal to come out of the AFL in the past 2 decades has involved big or succesful Vic clubs, thats no coincidence, success breeds arrogance.
Assaulting someone is an act of arrogance, I can do that to you because your feelings are insignificant.

So yes, when you have a club and supporter base that walks a fine line and is happy to gloat about getting away with it, as we see in other threads. Thats the type of arrogance that may lead a young person to believe they can do as they please.

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You’re saying that because he plays for Geelong that HE thinks it’s ok to allegedly SA a person?

You’re insulting the victim. The victim’s family. You’re also insulting the intelligence of people in this forum. All for what?

It’s early, am I reading this correctly?

 

[Willo_]

What did Geelong lie about?

They have done exactly what you have outlined here in strat #1.

All I can think is that Geelong have him on the injury list as Finger - TBC.... which whilst is a tad sus to me, is far from confirmed untrue.

Both the AFL and the club are aware of what is happening, I know the Geelong Hate flows deep here... but you can bet your bottom dollar that the club asked and has been advised by the AFL how to handle the situation at this stage.

The non de-script injury report will be what was worked out by both parties.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Both the AFL and the club are aware of what is happening, I know the Geelong Hate flows deep here... but you can bet your bottom dollar that the club asked and has been advised by the AFL how to handle the situation at this stage.

The non de-script injury report will be what was worked out by both parties.

It's possible... even possible that he was told to pop on a splint or tape on a finger in a practice match so images are shown of him having a potential finger issue.

I have thought this for weeks... but I'm not locking it in Eddie that its fact.

Even you writing "will be what has been worked out" is said as if you know it's fact... but we are just guessing.

One thing I'm hella confused by is said player getting a run on the AFL page with some promo shots prior to the season starting... Surely GFC/AFL were all over this behind the scenes well before this photo-shoot.

It was the only thing that gave me hope it wasn't him, even though I'd been hearing the opposite from people in the region.

It was a real curve ball and just can't work out what the go was with it.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

I think this situation says more about the accused personally than it does the club.
Lets be clear here - we all want to see this behavior prosecuted with the full force of the law - if parties are found guilty.
But this is not a matter for footy clubs to handle, it is a serious criminal matter.

Obviously, we are all responsible for our actions.
My point is, sometimes outside influence can shape our choices.
Here we have a young Man, who, if the allegations are found to be true, suddenly became a perpetrator of a serious crime, that anyone who knew him from his GWS days and prior may say they didnt see that coming.
So what changed, he moved back home to his place of comfort and joined an establishment the oozes success and doesnt mind who it upsets in the pursuit, an obvious arrogance.

Look at another recently succesful big club, thumbing their noses at the very rules that allowed the comp to continue during Covid whilst everyone else was locked away, success and arrogance.
I doubt the club said do it but the mindset is obvious.

 

[Cleric]

I think its important to note here that you need to be very careful where suppression orders are made.
For instance, even if you don't know something is suppressed and you talk about it, that's contempt of court.
Even if there is an old news story that mentions him, and you link to it, or screenshot it, even though it's already public you can be charged.
And here's another kicker, even if his name a case is listed publicly on a courts website, if you link to it, tell anyone about it, or show a screenshot, you are also in contempt.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

…..

You’re saying that because he plays for Geelong that HE thinks it’s ok to allegedly SA a person?

You’re insulting the victim. The victim’s family. You’re also insulting the intelligence of people in this forum. All for what?

It’s early, am I reading this correctly?

No, im not saying that at all.

Im saying its possible that by aligning yourself with arguably the most succesful organisation in your industry, an arrogance can develop that may have you think you can do as you please.

Read the 3rd party deals thread and you'll see a number of supporters suggesting their club might not be sqeaky clean but as they're the best at getting away with it, its stiff shit.
Arrogance from success.

 

[Munich]

Obviously, we are all responsible for our actions.
My point is, sometimes outside influence can shape our choices.
Here we have a young Man, who, if the allegations are found to be true, suddenly became a perpetrator of a serious crime, that anyone who knew him from his GWS days and prior may say they didnt see that coming.
So what changed, he moved back home to his place of comfort and joined an establishment the oozes success and doesnt mind who it upsets in the pursuit, an obvious arrogance.

Look at another recently succesful big club, thumbing their noses at the very rules that allowed the comp to continue during Covid whilst everyone else was locked away, success and arrogance.
I doubt the club said do it but the mindset is obvious.

That's a ridiculous take.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Obviously, we are all responsible for our actions.
My point is, sometimes outside influence can shape our choices.
Here we have a young Man, who, if the allegations are found to be true, suddenly became a perpetrator of a serious crime, that anyone who knew him from his GWS days and prior may say they didnt see that coming.
So what changed, he moved back home to his place of comfort and joined an establishment the oozes success and doesnt mind who it upsets in the pursuit, an obvious arrogance.

Look at another recently succesful big club, thumbing their noses at the very rules that allowed the comp to continue during Covid whilst everyone else was locked away, success and arrogance.
I doubt the club said do it but the mindset is obvious.

You are drawing one of the longest bows in human history.

And thanks for having some faith in the GFC and doubting they said "do it" to said player (nothing done proven yet btw).

Your post is probably the worst I have ever seen on this site... A true Barry Crocker.

If it isn't a full troll... I pray for you.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

You are drawing one of the longest bows in human history.

And thanks for having some faith in the GFC and doubting they said "do it" to said player (nothing done proven yet btw).

Your post is probably the worst I have ever seen on this site... A true Barry Crocker.

If it isn't a full troll... I pray for you.

The 'do it' reference was aimed at my other example.

 

[Richmond Flats]

Geelong fans are sweating profusely over this.

 

[Delisted]

No, im not saying that at all.

Im saying its possible that by aligning yourself with arguably the most succesful organisation in your industry, an arrogance can develop that may have you think you can do as you please.

Read the 3rd party deals thread and you'll see a number of supporters suggesting their club might not be sqeaky clean but as they're the best at getting away with it, its stiff shit.
Arrogance from success.

That’s exactly what I wrote no?
Because he plays for Geelong or a successful organisation he thinks he can get away with it?

This is your stance?

 

[PenfoldsFan]

That's a ridiculous take.

Its really not.

As I said, that the majority of recent scandals have come from clubs in an area that has seen the most recent success isnt a coincidence.

 

[Munich]

Its really not.

As I said, that the majority of recent scandals have come from clubs in an area that has seen the most recent success isnt a coincidence.

Yeah, no.

 

[calder_daddy]

That's a ridiculous take.

Astounding someone can come to that conclusion

 

[PenfoldsFan]

That’s exactly what I wrote no?
Because he plays for Geelong or a successful organisation he thinks he can get away with it?

This is your stance?

Get away with it, no.

Do it, possibly.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Its really not.

As I said, that the majority of recent scandals have come from clubs in an area that has seen the most recent success isnt a coincidence.

What scandals?

 

[Willo_]

Geelong fans are sweating profusely over this.

I think you will find that is not the case, Geelong fans are disgusted if in fact he is guilty and has done this.. and all will not hesitate in wanting him booted instantly.
No one is making excuses or trying to justify it... the only people doing that are oppo fans saying Cats fans are doing that, with no evidence to back it up

 

[Pooks]

Astounding someone can come to that conclusion

It shows the lack of respect for the victim and seriousness of the crime that they can only devolve this situation down to a football club. Apparently a rape accusation is easily overlooked when footy points scoring comes into play (disgusting). I don't think a single Geelong fan here has downplayed the seriousness of the matter and has advocated for the crime to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law after due course met.
However, we have opposition fans in here blaming the actions of the accused, outright saying the football club influenced the accused to committing the crime? Have some respect for the victim and their family - don't make excuses for the accused! As Geelong supporters, we aren't!

 

[PhatBoy]

Well, to be fair, almost every scandal to come out of the AFL in the past 2 decades has involved big or succesful Vic clubs, thats no coincidence, success breeds arrogance.
Assaulting someone is an act of arrogance, I can do that to you because your feelings are insignificant.

So yes, when you have a club and supporter base that walks a fine line and is happy to gloat about getting away with it, as we see in other threads. Thats the type of arrogance that may lead a young person to believe they can do as they please.

Has it?

One of Geelong’s own best players got done for blatant drug use…. As an Adelaide player, only a few years ago.
West Coast have a history in this time frame of off field issues.

Michael Johnson was arrested twice as a Docker, once for coke and once for assault.

Ross Lyon was done for harassing a junior staff member.

Burgoyne, O’ Loughlin and Hueskes were all part of a $200,000 civil settlement to a complainant in a sexual assault case in SA (outside of the 20 year time frame you’re suggesting but not by much) and they were all interstate players at the time. I can go on.


The clubs aren’t responsible for this. Why would they be? The players are grown men. It has nothing to do with the clubs.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

It shows the lack of respect for the victim and seriousness of the crime that they can only devolve this situation down to a football club. Apparently a rape accusation is easily overlooked when footy points scoring comes into play (disgusting). I don't think a single Geelong fan here has downplayed the seriousness of the matter and has advocated for the crime to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law after due course met.
However, we have opposition fans in here blaming the actions of the accused, outright saying the football club influenced the accused to committing the crime? Have some respect for the victim and their family - don't make excuses for the accused! As Geelong supporters, we aren't!

No one is saying the club itself influenced anything or are in any way responsible.

 

[Delisted]

Get away with it, no.

Do it, possibly.

So his thinking was. “I’ve now aligned myself with a successful Victorian club. I’m possibly gonna SA someone and not get away with it”

 

[HairyO]

There's also a huge difference between property/theft crimes and crimes against a person.

Traditionally the courts have been far more heavy handed on property/theft crimes. Because they are designed to protect the rich.

 

[PhatBoy]

Obviously, we are all responsible for our actions.
My point is, sometimes outside influence can shape our choices.
Here we have a young Man, who, if the allegations are found to be true, suddenly became a perpetrator of a serious crime, that anyone who knew him from his GWS days and prior may say they didnt see that coming.
So what changed, he moved back home to his place of comfort and joined an establishment the oozes success and doesnt mind who it upsets in the pursuit, an obvious arrogance.

Look at another recently succesful big club, thumbing their noses at the very rules that allowed the comp to continue during Covid whilst everyone else was locked away, success and arrogance.
I doubt the club said do it but the mindset is obvious.

What complete bullshit

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Has it?

One of Geelong’s own best players got done for blatant drug use…. As an Adelaide player, only a few years ago.
West Coast have a history in this time frame of off field issues.

Michael Johnson was arrested twice as a Docker, once for coke and once for assault.

Ross Lyon was done for harassing a junior staff member.

Burgoyne, O’ Loughlin and Hueskes were all part of a $200,000 civil settlement to a complainant in a sexual assault case in SA (outside of the 20 year time frame you’re suggesting but not by much) and they were all interstate players at the time. I can go on.


The clubs aren’t responsible for this. Why would they be? The players are grown men. It has nothing to do with the clubs.

With the exception of the Burgoyne, Heuskes, O'loughlin case, which as you agree falls outside the timeframe specified, im not sure the others are on the same level as sports PED doping and breaches of WHO protocol during a pandemic.