Current Trial Russell Hill & Carol Clay Pt 2 *Pilot Greg Lynn Guilty for the Murder of Carol Clay

[Kurve]

Here is PART 1 Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder

DPP v Lynn [2024] VSCA 62 (12 April 2024) INTERLOCUTORY APPEAL​

R v Lynn (Rulings 1-4) [2024] VSC 373 (28 June 2024)​

R v Lynn (Rulings 5 & 6) [2024] VSC 375 (28 February 2024)

R v Lynn (Ruling 7) [2024] VSC 376 (8 May 2024)

The Greg Lynn Police Interview Tapes (Shortened Version)

The 3.5 HR Police Interview

THREADS FOR THE HIGH COUNTRY DISAPPEARED
High Country Disappearance of Prison Boss David Prideaux
The Disappearance of Warren Meyer

2008 - Warren Meyer (23 March 2008) not found
2010 - Japp and Annie Viergever (29 March 2010) both shot & 3 dogs, house burnt.
2011 - David Prideaux (5 June 2011) not found
2017 - Kevin Tenant (17 February 2018) shot 3 times, played dead.
2019 - Conrad Whitlock (29 July 2019) not found
2019 - Niels Becker (24 October 2019) not found
2020 - Russell Hill and Carol Clay (20 March 2020) murdered

Lynn's first wife Lisa, was found dead on 26 October 1999.

 

[Terrafirma]

I am NOT victim blaming; I personally was shot at twice by an ex and dogs were poisoned. I was just pointing out GL may have had a 'trigger' to cause his alleged reaction of killing the family's pet pig.

I really think you are a Greg Lynn fanboy.! Always defending him. That's fine but your not accepting the fact that Lynn most likely had a bad temper. Lynn from his ramblings suggests he has a chip or two on his shoulders. Not being able to fly would have pissed him off too. The various news sites reporting there maybe a new inquest into his 1st wife's death. Can only imagine the coroners inquiry at the time, he's a well regarded Pilot there's nothing here for me to find. Yes speak to the wife's family and it's an area of abuse big time IMO. She would still be alive today if not for meeting Lynn IMO. You need to do your reading to keep up with this thread Jam.!

 

[Terrafirma]

Unfortunately it comes across as victim blaming, whether or not that was your intention.

He does it all the time.

 

[Royces Hart]

I’d heard that pigs were smart animals but I didn’t know they were capable of flying a drone.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I’d heard that pigs were smart animals but I didn’t know they were capable of flying a drone.

They fly themselves in their own drone...

When pigs fly.

 

[Lady O]

They fly themselves in their own drone...

When pigs fly.

 

[Percel]

What's the point of this?

In case you come across an abandoned pig in a garden, and were wondering what not to feed it.

Silly

 

[Zidane98]

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Do they fly on Jetstar?

 

[Awakening]

He does it all the time.

Why do they keep defending this monster?

 

[GladdyDee]

Even if that were the case still no justification to kill it.

It's an act with no defense.

Has a habit of disproportionate response to an event. Turbulence on his flights must have been a hoot.

 

[GladdyDee]

Ive always loved and respected bees. They do important work.

A lockdown project and a fallen tree: Gregory Lynn’s sliding doors moments

If Gregory Lynn had not kept bees or if a road that crossed the Wonnangatta River was not blocked on the fateful evening, a cool-headed pilot might have got away with murder.

www.theage.com.au

 

[apivapieah]

It might have been that he considered the LL had left the gate to the pig pen open deliberately; given the vege garden appears to have been his domain according to this article. Quite often when relationships end under extremely acrimonious circumstances, there is a lot of tooing and froing with nastiness between the individuals concerned.

It happened before they seperated

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[FrankGrimes]

Just re reading. Major ground of appeal when the prosecutor argued new evidence but didn't put the allegations to GL during cross as required to.do.
Depends what the allegations were but that will be the kicker of an appeal.

Wasn’t this the reason manslaughter was taken off the table?
The judge was so strict in this trail I can’t see any grounds for appeal

 

[Angry_Crow]

Verdict was unsafe given evidence presented and reasoning.
Judges instructions during deliberation or response to questions by jury.
The allowance of some recordings when others were disallowed.
Can only go to 2. Appeals and high. Will be an interesting precedent.
Ultimately can't see him winning appeals.
Ironically the fact he was not guilty on one charge makes it harder to argue in a way
Your honour I should've been convicted of both but since I wasn't I should be acquitted.
But alternatively could argue Ms should've been on the table.
Effectively the rh charge is done.
The conviction of CC and those details would be appealed. Hard to see how he wins

In an appeal which is obviously judge (not jury) and possibly even more evidence deemed inadmissible (ROI etc) is it possible he wins an appeal??

In the justice Crouchers defence I believe he was looking forward (to possible appeals) in making the decision to initially deem certain evidence inadmissible (in pre trial). He spent several of his earlier yrs in appellate court so knows all about trials being overturned at appeal and the precise circumstances that lead to that.

Even with his charge to the jury saying ‘narrow path to guilty’ we maybe saw that as judge trying to sway jury to not guilty but once again I feel he was looking forward to possible appeals…….

Either way I hope there isn’t an appeal and if there is he loses and the psychopath spends the rest of his days behind bars. Thankyou universe for closing that road.

 

[Pamcake1]

Potentially, he's an Israel Keyes kind of character. IMO.

Yes, in that he has show psychopathic tendencies on that I agree.
However overall I think there is difference in that IK was a systematic hunter of victims that set out to continously trap random victims as a sick occupation. IK was very organised to operate on a continous basis and also bought an ideological element of justification in via his families connection to the quasi religious/nationalist mindset that produced the Oklahoma City bomb builders that were IK's childhood friends.
Without Lynn having a know ideological framework or attachments, that would encourage such disrespect for human life nor a constant and systematic hunter of victims that we know of I don't think the comparison is apt.
I would put GL as the garden variety narcisistic psychopath category, only dangerous when crossed or had his despotism challenged.

I've got to say here, I am now facinated as to Mrs Lynn's capacity to live comfortably with such a psychopath given the recent revelations on the police recordings and with the now suspicious knowledge that she did know more than 'nothing at all' of the incident at Wonnangatta.

 

[champagnegirl]

Yep.

I have heard the “white collar” crims get these quirky little privileges and not only get a veggie patch, but can trade or sell excess produce to fellow inmates. Not sure
accuracy of info as I’ve never been detained at His Majesty’s pleasure so no experience of the slammer and veggie patches.

 

[Zidane98]

In an appeal which is obviously judge (not jury) and possibly even more evidence deemed inadmissible (ROI etc) is it possible he wins an appeal??

In the justice Crouchers defence I believe he was looking forward (to possible appeals) in making the decision to initially deem certain evidence inadmissible (in pre trial). He spent several of his earlier yrs in appellate court so knows all about trials being overturned at appeal and the precise circumstances that lead to that.

Even with his charge to the jury saying ‘narrow path to guilty’ we maybe saw that as judge trying to sway jury to not guilty but once again I feel he was looking forward to possible appeals…….

Either way I hope there isn’t an appeal and if there is he loses and the psychopath spends the rest of his days behind bars. Thankyou universe for closing that road.

I don't see on what basis an appeal will be formed or be won.


New evidence that is exculpatory? Not going to happen.


Error in law? Unlikely. The first interview is key. GL was allowed to rest before the interview began. He was advised that he didn't need to say anything and also had a lawyer appointed to him. He spoke with that lawyer who also said don't say anything at all. Dann tried this but it was always a long shot.

His decision to speak up was completely voluntary. Police weren't taking advantage of someone with a disadvantage here.

Some of the stuff the prosecution alleged was put to the jury but not put to himself. That does go against the concept of law but is it really that big of a factor in the case? Unlikely.

An impartial jury presented with the facts on the case decided he was guilty. Only a serious issue with due process or failing that literal video footage on one of his devices he discovers that confirms his version of events will be enough to win him an appeal here.

Ie not happening.

 

[champagnegirl]

Not sure if anyone has seen this comment that Lynn was recorded making from the above:

"Another story about the couple aired on the radio earlier that day as he was driving. The court heard Lynn had turned up the volume and said: “I put a f..king trigger lock on it. You’ve gotta get a second set of trigger lock f..king keys and stick them in there … They’ve just got to keep pushing all the time, don’t they?” Police scoured hours of recordings to find instances where they believed he was talking about Hill and Clay."

This seems significant to me, but I'm not familiar with that shotgun.

Edit: Or was it on the rifle?

Sorry must be me. What is he saying ? That he had locked the trigger ? And only
keys would unlock for use ?

 

[Lady O]

Sorry must be me. What is he saying ? That he had locked the trigger ? And only
keys would unlock for use ?

I asked DH and he said you can buy trigger locks for guns & rifles. As this was recorded before he was charged, I wondered if he was referring to the shotgun or rifle, as people are saying that in the ROI (which I haven't heard/seen), GL was saying RH took his rifle and he later changed this to say it was the shotgun.

I've been trying to find an article from 4 May 2021 that might explain it, without luck so far.

 

[Alberto_Magnifico]

Could the pig have fallen off the step and on to the blade of an axe left there accidentally?

Severed it's own head, then muscle spasms meant that it moved back onto the step?

I heard it was wearing pig-jamas too

 

[thumbs_up]

I heard it was wearing pig-jamas too

With or without pockets?

 

[Irma]

Do we know if Lynn was seeing Melanie when Lisa died?

Stretching my memory a bit here, but I have a feeling I saw something way back about how after the death of Lisa he was seeing a woman in South Australia (and maaaaaybe there was a possible child??), before later getting together with Melanie. Don’t take as gospel, but maybe apivapieah can clear that one up?

**Edit to add that I found the post I was thinking of on another forum, on 14 Dec 2021 Lisa’s daughter posted:

I don't really know much about anything after GL moved to Doha. So I can't speak on a wife over there or what may have happened.

He was with the lady after Lisa for approx 2 years I think. She was very upset when he left her and their daughter in SA and moved back to Vic. This is not the same lady he was with in Doha. I'm not sure if their relationship was strained but I would assume so as they had a baby together and then he left her.

 

[Alberto_Magnifico]

With or without pockets?

That's ridiculous, why would a pig need pockets?

 

[Terrafirma]

Quote Daily mail:

Lisa's mother, who would travel from Tasmania to help her struggling daughter, provided a disturbing statement to the coroner about Greg Lynn, including accusations of animal cruelty, violence and 'bizarre' behaviour.

'In addition to not gaining any support from Greg, he would subject her to physical and mental abuse on a regular basis,' she told the coroner.

'These events happened too frequently to remember, specifically but things like losing his temper for no reason and blaming Lisa for anything that went wrong.

'He then would yell and throw things at her and push her around. I felt very uncomfortable when these events occurred because I was not inclined to interfere and Lisa would plead with me not to interfere.'

Lisa's mum told the coroner her daughter told her any interference from her would result in further pain and misery at home.

'Greg's behaviour in general would be described as bizarre. In my opinion, he has a warped mind,' she told the coroner.

'He has done things in the past like killing animals and a neighbour's pet, refusing to feed the children when he was supposed to be looking after them and on one occasion, he exploded into a fit of uncontrollable rage when we went for dinner at the Macedon Hotel.'

Lisa's mum told the court Lynn verbally attacked a man in the bar after he made the mistake of speaking to Lisa.

He then flew into a 'rage' at his then wife after leaving the hotel, she told the coroner.

'The only thing that I would like to add is that as far as I'm concerned, Greg is responsible for my daughter's death by mental torture inflicted by him,' Lisa's mum told the court.

'I know that she was living in absolute fear of Greg. I accept from what (I'm told) regarding the circumstances in which she died that she was alone on the night.

'Greg was not there however her actions were a culmination of the fear and terror that she lived under.'

The court heard Lisa had kept a detailed journal and diary of her fractured relationship with Lynn.

 

[champagnegirl]

I asked DH and he said you can buy trigger locks for guns & rifles. As this was recorded before he was charged, I wondered if he was referring to the shotgun or rifle, as people are saying that in the ROI (which I haven't heard/seen), GL was saying RH took his rifle and he later changed this to say it was the shotgun.

I've been trying to find an article from 4 May 2021 that might explain it, without luck so far.

Thank you very much for that info. I didn’t realise it was recorded before he was charged.

 

[Lady O]

While searching for any information on the case from 4 May 2021, I came across this article:

Witness gives fresh theory about fate of missing campers

A possible new theory has emerged about what may have happened to Russell Hill and Carol Clay who vanished more than a year ago.

au.news.yahoo.com

I was intrigued by this quote from he first person to find the burnt out camp:

"A man given the pseudonym of Mick by the Herald Sun said he stumbled across the pair’s burnt-out tent and scorched white ute the week they went missing.

He reported the sighting to police but it wasn’t until detectives contacted him about the case that Mick said he remembered seeing a bright green crossbow arrow near the destroyed camping site."