Current Trial Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder

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On the Greg Lynn committal proceedings Crown Prosecutor Mr Dickie said 'It is clear hopefully from the document, and if it's not clear from the document it's clear hopefully from the charges put before the court, that it is alleged of course that the accused acted with murderous intent when he allegedly killed the two victims.'

 

[Terrafirma]

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Is this a closed hearing or can anyone sit in.?

 

[Badd0g]

Is this a closed hearing or can anyone sit in.?

Not entirely sure, but I imagine the gallery is open to the public just like any other hearing.

 

[theyearwas1969]

Any update on what’s going on today?

 

[Badd0g]

Can confirm Gertie's arms are wide open and welcoming public visitors in court today

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[Kurve]

Can confirm Gertie's arms are wide open and welcoming public visitors in court today

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Awesome, we might look forward to some updates.

 

[theyearwas1969]

And so it begins

 

[Coastie19]

I really hope there hasn't been any downgrading of charges.

Manslaughter has become the new black in the last decade with some cases.

There's got to be a way that murder can stick if someone causes too much damage to a body or completely disposes of it in a way that they would cop 6-10 years because the intent can't be proved.

I'm assuming this is what is trial ploy is.

 

[Dirh Semaj]

I really hope there hasn't been any downgrading of charges.

Manslaughter has become the new black in the last decade with some cases.

There's got to be a way that murder can stick if someone causes too much damage to a body or completely disposes of it in a way that they would cop 6-10 years because the intent can't be proved.

I'm assuming this is what is trial ploy is.

If intent can't be be proved, it isn't murder. Murder is to intentionally cause death. That is, the moments before a death, not after.

 

[Longmembrey]

If intent can't be be proved, it isn't murder. Murder is to intentionally cause death. That is, the moments before a death, not after.

Reckless indifference without intent can also be murder

 

[Dirh Semaj]

Reckless indifference without intent can also be murder

Yes true. Still, the moments before death, not after.

 

[Longmembrey]

Yes true. Still, the moments before death, not after.

Yes, but actions after death can be used to help prove the accused's mindset (intent) regarding the fatal act/s

 

[Badd0g]

Trial set to begin for man accused of murdering Victorian campers Carol Clay and Russell Hill

A jury is set to be chosen for the trial of former Jetstar pilot Greg Lynn, who is accused of murdering campers Russell Hill and Carol Clay in 2020.

www.abc.net.au

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[GreyCrow]

I really hope there hasn't been any downgrading of charges.

Manslaughter has become the new black in the last decade with some cases.

Happy to say I have no idea of the current set ups in the prosecutorial branch but I'm reminded of the US system where convictions are more important than outcome

ie plea bargaining an outcome that sees a ''win'' recorded for the prosecution but leaves the families feeling disappointed

Is that a consideration for the DPP in Victoria/Australia ?

 

[Zidane98]

Happy to say I have no idea of the current set ups in the prosecutorial branch but I'm reminded of the US system where convictions are more important than outcome

ie plea bargaining an outcome that sees a ''win'' recorded for the prosecution but leaves the families feeling disappointed

Is that a consideration for the DPP in Victoria/Australia ?

Look at the Borce Ristevski case. Despite it being a case of a domestic violence killing his representation was able to agree manslaughter in that case in lieu of a trial. Even after his attempts at concealing the crime. I'm not sure the family of Karen Ristevski would have viewed that as a win for justice.

 

[GrayRanga]

Look at the Borce Ristevski case. Despite it being a case of a domestic violence killing his representation was able to agree manslaughter in that case in lieu of a trial. Even after his attempts at concealing the crime. I'm not sure the family of Karen Ristevski would have viewed that as a win for justice.

Courts don't impliment "Justice" (whatever that means)

Courts hear the evidence presented before it and pass a judgement based on the evidence and arguement provided with reference to legislation, precedent and case law.

Many may agree with your view of this matter but for a murder charge to stick, it has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt that the accused's actions were either with an intention to kill or an intention to inflict grievous bodily harm upon the Victim.

If that is not proven the Court must find the accused not guilty and they walk

If, in the judgement of the Court or the Prosecution. there is a possibility that the evidence that can be presented leaves a possibility of a person being aquitted on the reasonable doubt grounds, they may downgrade the charges or entertain a plea to a lesser charge to secure a conviction

I know it doesn't satisfy the concept of "Justice" to many people but a punishment imposed is better that someone walking free to the charge

 

[faible]

Former pilot formally pleads not guilty to murders of Victorian campers as trial begins

A Supreme Court judge has told a panel of potential jurors that it will be alleged Greg Lynn shot Carol Clay and killed Russell Hill, who both went missing while camping in Victoria's High Country in 2020.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Pamcake1]

Former pilot formally pleads not guilty to murders of Victorian campers as trial begins

A Supreme Court judge has told a panel of potential jurors that it will be alleged Greg Lynn shot Carol Clay and killed Russell Hill, who both went missing while camping in Victoria's High Country in 2020.

www.abc.net.au

 

[FrankGrimes]

4 week trial, shot carol it is alleged, going to be a fascinating trial, lots of hearsay I would think, would like to hear what the prosecution believe was the motive.

 

[Kurve]

If anybody finds a court room blogger, can you post the link please?

 

[Terrafirma]

The Jury has been selected. Prepare for squirmy evidence apparently. Be impartial. A good mix of people with 3 women selected. Here we go..!

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/gregory-lynn-jury-empanelled-in-murder-trial-over-deaths-of-carol-clay-and-russell-hill/news-story/4cd795d9def8cc088ad088eb9bc78611

 

[BFew]

A good mix of people with 3 women selected.

3 women, 3 men and the rest are other gender variants?

 

[Lady O]

3 women, 3 men and the rest are other gender variants?

"The jury is made up of six women and eight men, representing a diverse range of occupations, ages and ethnicities."

 

[BFew]

4 week trial

4-6 weeks

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/gregory-lynn-jury-empanelled-in-murder-trial-over-deaths-of-carol-clay-and-russell-hill/news-story/4cd795d9def8cc088ad088eb9bc78611

'Ahead of the jury ballot, prospective jurors were informed the trial was expected to run for the next four to six weeks.'

 

[rdhopkins2]

terrible allegations. The court case will be very interesting indeed.

 

[Kurve]

The jury will hear opening addresses from the prosecution and defence legal teams on Friday morning. Only one more sleep!