Current Trial Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder

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On the Greg Lynn committal proceedings Crown Prosecutor Mr Dickie said 'It is clear hopefully from the document, and if it's not clear from the document it's clear hopefully from the charges put before the court, that it is alleged of course that the accused acted with murderous intent when he allegedly killed the two victims.'

 

[Kurve]

7news video update, but nothing new here, just verbatim from the ROI

Oh really? Are they self serving self interested social climbing diks as well?

Lynn said "I'm married with a family and they'd be upset if I came to you straight away"

 

[GardenGnome]

Oh really? Are they self serving self interested social climbing diks as well?

Lynn said "I'm married with a family and they'd be upset if I came to you straight away"

And how would the family be feeling now… upset? I reckon!

 

[Kurve]

And how would the family be feeling now… upset? I reckon!

Likely. Lynn's made the implication they'd be just fine with what he did.

 

[GardenGnome]

Will the ROI video or transcript eventually be available to the public? Assuming parts of it are already available to journalists.

Not much has been mentioned about the content of other covert recordings?

Presumably the more relevant parts or incriminating parts of those recordings or transcript would be presented at some point by the prosecution?


if he knew/suspected he was being watched/monitored in wondering why he would chat to himself in the car? Seems a bit odd?

 

[Angry_Crow]

Recent podcast by Loose Units - an ex cop and his son about the trial evidence has a few moments, though sometimes a bit sketchy on the details.I think theres a couple of episodes dedicated to it. Some good insights amongst the jocularity.

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Have you actually listened to that podcast? These guys have no idea when describing what’s happened/happening in this case! At one point they’re saying it was GLs drone! I thought some people on here had a scratchy (at best) recollection of the details! Whilst it’s nice to finally hear someone have an opinion about what happened as opposed to spewing out what’s in the papers (and in court) each day- they need to get their facts right before have such a podcast.

 

[Zidane98]

The prosecution won't dispute that Hill died by knife, it could be a trap. If he's convicted with the prosecution asserting Hill was shot and down the track, Lynn remembers exactly where the knife is or someone finds it and it's found to have Hill's DNA on it, he gets out for convictions on Hill and could probably successfully appeal convictions on Clay.

Similar to Azaria Chamberlain's matinee jacket. The matinee jacket the prosecution said did not exist and it was found years later, Lindy was promptly released.

Lynn told police that soon after Clay was shot dead, Hill ran at him with a black-handled kitchen knife and died when he fell on the knife during a struggle.

Lynn said the knife had penetrated the area around Hill’s heart as the pair fell to the ground.

Missing campers’ accused killer, Gregory Lynn, set to give evidence

A jury has been told the former pilot will be the only witness for the defence after prosecutors closed their case in the Supreme Court on Wednesday.

www.theage.com.au

There are issues accepting RH died by knife wound. Prosecution has alleged RH died first. Why would GL, who had alleged murderous intent, opt to murder RH via stabbing and then shoot CC afterwards? Wouldn't the logical thing to do be blast both of them away if murder is your intent?

And then if the prosecution accepts RH died by knife they allege RH was killed first. What are the chances CC stands around watching GL stab RH to death?

 

[Kurve]

There are issues accepting RH died by knife wound. Prosecution has alleged RH died first. Why would GL, who had alleged murderous intent, opt to murder RH via stabbing and then shoot CC afterwards? Wouldn't the logical thing to do be blast both of them away if murder is your intent?

And then if the prosecution accepts RH died by knife they allege RH was killed first. What are the chances CC stands around watching GL stab RH to death?

There are potentially bigger issues in challenging it for the reason above.

The prosecution has said from the outset that they don't know how Hill died. In order for them to make a case that both died by gunshot, they need to be able to prove it and they can't.

 

[Kurve]

And then if the prosecution accepts RH died by knife they allege RH was killed first. What are the chances CC stands around watching GL stab RH to death?

Clay wouldn't have seen Hill get stabbed in the dark if Hill was closer to Lynn's camp, or even on her blind side looking out towards Lynn's camp.

The prosecution may have something up their sleeve but this far in, I doubt it so I'm going with the theory that Lynn was caught by Hill snooping around probably for the drone, or spying on them 'having fun' and chased Lynn, that's when Hill was stabbed.

Lynn said they both had no shoes on and were in their pyjamas, so they were down for the night or he wanted to give that impression to fit in with his 10.00pm timeline. If it's true, whatever happened there, happened suddenly where Hill and Clay were disturbed and under some kind of threat, no time to put shoes on.

 

[Kurve]

Will the ROI video or transcript eventually be available to the public? Assuming parts of it are already available to journalists.

Probably not.

 

[Run n Spread]

Brett Florence

What was he's role?

Dann bringing Florence to his knees. He is methodically proving that everything Lynn said is true.

How? Sure he's poked reasonable doubt but how is he proving what GL said is true? Has he recreated forensics? Or matched the opening argument with the police brief?

 

[Zidane98]

Clay wouldn't have seen Hill get stabbed in the dark if Hill was closer to Lynn's camp, or even on her blind side looking out towards Lynn's camp.

The prosecution may have something up their sleeve but this far in, I doubt it so I'm going with the theory that Lynn was caught by Hill snooping around probably for the drone, or spying on them 'having fun' and chased Lynn, that's when Hill was stabbed.

Lynn said they both had no shoes on and were in their pyjamas, so they were down for the night or he wanted to give that impression to fit in with his 10.00pm timeline. If it's true, whatever happened there, happened suddenly where Hill and Clay were disturbed and under some kind of threat, no time to put shoes on.

Maybe not seen but surely Russell chasing Lynn would have raised one hell of a commotion loud enough for CC to hear if we are being realistic. What did she do during this alleged chase / fight / altercation / stabbing? If this happened over at GL's camp the distance is significant. I'd imagine in that scenario one's reaction would be to barricade themselves in their vehicle and either drive off or call for help on the radios if she knew how to work them. I'm finding it hard to find a plausible scenario where RH accosts GL, is stabbed in a fight and CC does pretty much nothing.

For me, if RH did actually die by knife it is much more likely to have happened when CC was already dead for the above reasons. Not impossible it happened the other way around but the prosecution are going to have to come up with a theory pretty quickly on this that works.

 

[Kurve]

Maybe not seen but surely Russell chasing Lynn would have raised one hell of a commotion loud enough for CC to hear if we are being realistic. What did she do during this alleged chase / fight / altercation / stabbing? If this happened over at GL's camp the distance is significant. I'd imagine in that scenario one's reaction would be to barricade themselves in their vehicle and either drive off or call for help on the radios if she knew how to work them. I'm finding it hard to find a plausible scenario where RH accosts GL, is stabbed in a fight and CC does pretty much nothing.

Clay's a 70+ year old woman in her pyjamas with no shoes on. I can see Hill chasing Lynn with no shoes on but Clay's not going far, nor would she have been expecting things to turn deadly imo.

The stabbing doesn't have to have happened at Lynn's camp, it might be halfway or even closer but on the other side from where Clay was apparently shot.

Clay might also have been trying to get in to the car when she was shot.

 

[Zidane98]

Clay's a 70+ year old woman in her pyjamas with no shoes on. I can see Hill chasing Lynn with no shoes on but Clay's not going far, nor would she have been expecting things to turn deadly imo.

The stabbing doesn't have to have happened at Lynn's camp, it might be halfway or even closer but on the other side from where Clay was apparently shot.

Clay might also have been trying to get in to the car when she was shot.

Why would GL just not simply blow RH away too if he had murderous intent?

Doesnt make sense to stab someone up close when you can shoot them if murder is the aim.

I'd expect CC to barricade herself in their vehicle and/or drive off if RH was getting attacked by GL. I certainly can't imagine her doing nothing during the above alleged GL attack on RH.

 

[Kurve]

Why would GL just not simply blow RH away too if he had murderous intent?

Murderous intent can be formed in a millisecond, that a knife may have used to kill Hill (I'm suggesting it was Lynn's knife)
doesn't make it an accident.

 

[Kurve]

Doesnt make sense to stab someone up close when you can shoot them if murder is the aim.

Stabbing Hill may not have been in the plan imo, Hill was killed with what Lynn had on him at the time.

Getting his gun and hunting Clay down, was part of the cover up.

This is just what I'm thinking atm and knowing I dont have all the information.

 

[GardenGnome]

Stabbing Hill may not have been in the plan imo, Hill was killed with what Lynn had on him at the time.

Getting his gun and hunting Clay down, was part of the cover up.

This is just what I'm thinking atm and knowing I dont have all the information.

Yes, agree. He mentions dinner so perhaps he still had dinner remains and utensils around and simply grabbed the knife from the table or kit-box because it was nearest threatening object.

 

[Zidane98]

Stabbing Hill may not have been in the plan imo, Hill was killed with what Lynn had on him at the time.

Getting his gun and hunting Clay down, was part of the cover up.

This is just what I'm thinking atm and knowing I dont have all the information.

This scenario suggests that RH died in a fight then with GL. The prosecution are going for murder charges though against RH. This sequence of events would not be considered murder.


I can't think of a plausible scenario where GL murders RH with a knife then CC with a shotgun. It just doesn't make sense.


I believe from the evidence presented that RH was killed after CC with a knife. Perhaps the magazine was empty on GL's gun after all of the alleged shots and he went for a knife instead to finish off RH. I'm finding the story about RH falling on his knife not especially plausible.

 

[josephine666]

There are issues accepting RH died by knife wound. Prosecution has alleged RH died first. Why would GL, who had alleged murderous intent, opt to murder RH via stabbing and then shoot CC afterwards? Wouldn't the logical thing to do be blast both of them away if murder is your intent?

And then if the prosecution accepts RH died by knife they allege RH was killed first. What are the chances CC stands around watching GL stab RH to death?

I would think the only possibility of the prosecution accepting Hill died by knife would be if they had the blade. Lynn claimed he threw it in the fire and the handle (plastic) completely burned. I haven't heard if he then retrieved the knife from the fire remains and disposed of it with the keys and other things, or it remained in the fire (in which case the police would have it). If Lynn wasn't forthcoming with where he disposed of the keys/blade, which would be relatively easy to find if provided the location, I suspect there wasn't a blade at all.

He admitted to (attempting) to pick up all the cartridges from the numerous gunshots that he (or Hill) fired that evening. He has a story about all these gunshots that occurred in camp, I think this telling. I think both were shot. Hill first, and this may have been unintentional, but Clay deliberate as a witness. When I say unintentional, I mean in an altercation that resulted in Hill being shot. It could be in the same vein as a road rager who might swerve into a car that cut them them off to punish/scare them, who likely didn't intend for the other vehicle to in turn swerve into oncoming traffic. Culpable but not necessarily intent.

 

[Kurve]

This scenario suggests that RH died in a fight then with GL. The prosecution are going for murder charges though against RH. This sequence of events would not be considered murder.

It can still be murder if Lynn stabbed Hill in a scuffle or some kind of confrontation. They're alleging murderous intent.

 

[Kurve]

I would think the only possibility of the prosecution accepting Hill died by knife would be if they had the blade. Lynn claimed he threw it in the fire and the handle (plastic) completely burned. I haven't heard if he then retrieved the knife from the fire remains and disposed of it with the keys and other things, or it remained in the fire (in which case the police would have it). If Lynn wasn't forthcoming with where he disposed of the keys/blade, which would be relatively easy to find if provided the location, I suspect there wasn't a blade at all.

I didn't know he burned the knife, I thought he threw them away separately to the drone etc, with Hills keys.

 

[FromOldFitzroy]

Do we know where Lynn went to school, where he grew up?

I’m with you on this.
So many of the TV real crime shows fail to go into the background of the alleged offender.
You’d hope the police would do all that in their routine search for the ‘truth’.
Was Hill left handed?
What is the history of the shotgun? He belonged to a shooting club, I think, so what do the people there say about him?
He doesn’t suddenly start now thinking solely about how things impact on him, so where in the past has this narcissistic behaviour been displayed?
Just my opinion fwiw

 

[Kurve]

For me, if RH did actually die by knife it is much more likely to have happened when CC was already dead for the above reasons. Not impossible it happened the other way around but the prosecution are going to have to come up with a theory pretty quickly on this that works.

They might eventually say they think both were shot but I think it's risky in the circumstances.

 

[Kurve]

Park Predators out of the US has done a podcast called 'The Pilot', they're introducing Lynn as a lone wolf.

I haven't listened to all of it yet.

The Pilot | Park Predators

When an elderly couple on a romantic camping trip in the bushland of Australia vanished from their burned-out campsite, authorities quickly identify a suspect.

parkpredators.com

 

[independant witness]

Seems Lynn will take the stand tomorrow.

 

[Kurve]

Seems Lynn will take the stand tomorrow.

Really?

Well that should be interesting.

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