Current Trial Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder

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On the Greg Lynn committal proceedings Crown Prosecutor Mr Dickie said 'It is clear hopefully from the document, and if it's not clear from the document it's clear hopefully from the charges put before the court, that it is alleged of course that the accused acted with murderous intent when he allegedly killed the two victims.'
 
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Ironic that someone who appears cool calm and collected in the witness stand and is trained to think logically in stressful situations and remain calm can let a cranky old man affect him to the point of being antagonistic and playing annoying loud music and a peaceful environment culminating in 2 deaths. It seems that these behaviors are at odds with each other.
 
The shots being fired by RH surly are a red herring (filthy lie #3464).

My gut feeling is that he unloaded all slugs into both Rusty and Caz, hence the multiple shots that may have been heard.

No knife, all gun, destroy all and any possible evidence, nothing to see here Guv.
 
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Yes, good point… why would he not take BOTH

Lynn said there was no light in his car.

1/ If it was dark as Lynn has testified there is no way Hill would be able to see a gun on the back seat.

2/ If hill was sneaking up to Lynn’s car in the dark - he absolutely would not want to alert Lynn. No sane person would therefore risk opening the rear door to get access to gun because of the likely hood the interior light would go on.

3/ In a camping situation at night you want and need the interior light to come on when a door is opened.

4/ Quite apart from seeing the gun on the back seat in the dark, how would Hill have been able to see the ammunition, (which I believe was on the front seat), and quickly pick the correct ammunition for the gun he took.

5/ Loading ammo into a gun I’m sure on a quiet night would be a noisy business.
 
Mr Dann said a struggle for the gun then took place, and Ms Clay approached the men and was shouting "Russell, stop it".

In my mind this statement is intended to cast Hill in the role of aggressor, implying that he could have stopped at any time, while Lynn was the victim and powerless.

We only have Lynn’s word on this.
 
You could make up infinite scenarios. The hard fact is there is very little evidence to support one over another.

It is his actions AFTER that will determine this case through lack of evidence which cannot support even his theory and therefore puts doubt on his story.

He simply didn't think he would be caught and have to face a jury.

For me, his actions are pretty damning plus some very strange comments from Lynn, eg. thought the evidence was planted there.
 
You could make up infinite scenarios. The hard fact is there is very little evidence to support one over another.

It is his actions AFTER that will determine this case through lack of evidence which cannot support even his theory and therefore puts doubt on his story.

He simply didn't think he would be caught and have to face a jury.

For me, his actions are pretty damning plus some very strange comments from Lynn, eg. thought the evidence was planted there.

His account is detailed and complex.

He has said - despite all the lies and cover up that he is not now lying.

If the jury determine one key element of his story is a lie, such as the guy rope or head torch, his whole elaborate house of cards collapses.

If that happens his post event actions tell a story. One of murderous intent. A story that a reasonable would likely have trouble believing an innocent person would or could do.

Would/could an innocent person go on and do what he subsequently did?
 
From memory RH wife gave him cash too before RH left for his trip.

Don't think she ever discussed how much cash it was.

RH could have had $4000k in cash - we know nothing (only that there was no cash found in vehicle)

I dont for one moment believe RH & CC had $20 each = $40 at their camp.

As I've said before, I can do big miles across the country which take me in to some remote and very wild places. I always take a substantial amount of cash for emergencies.

Not everybody you might ask for help from out there can be or wants to be paid by card. I don't believe there was only $40 between them either.
 
His account is detailed and complex.

He has said - despite all the lies and cover up that he is not now lying.

If the jury determine one key element of his story is a lie, such as the guy rope or head torch, his whole elaborate house of cards collapses.

If that happens his post event actions tell a story. One of murderous intent. A story that a reasonable would likely have trouble believing an innocent person would or could do.

Would/could an innocent person go on and do what he subsequently did?
That is the key isn't it.

Jury have to believe his whole story. Doubt a little, you doubt ALL of it.
 
That is the key isn't it.

Jury have to believe his whole story. Doubt a little, you doubt ALL of it.
Absolutely. I don't think he has considered that. His huge ego and his meticulous planning, "ticking all the boxes" has failed to concoct a totally believable story. Each and every element has to be believed or it collapses like a house of cards.
 
From memory RH wife gave him cash too before RH left for his trip.

Don't think she ever discussed how much cash it was.

RH could have had $4000k in cash - we know nothing (only that there was no cash found in vehicle)

I dont for one moment believe RH & CC had $20 each = $40 at their camp.
In initial record of interview, Lynn said he took $40. Hill's wife confirmed later that she had given him $40.
 

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Absolutely. I don't think he has considered that. His huge ego and his meticulous planning, "ticking all the boxes" has failed to concoct a totally believable story. Each and every element has to be believed or it collapses like a house of cards.
Yep, and now Lynn has no evidence to truly support HIS story.
 
The jury won't be fooled by all this nonsense. I think it'll be ab easy decision for them.
I am still unable to reconcile my reasoning towards even beginning to comprehend Lynn’s actions post the shocking deaths of two innocent strangers.

Surely an innocent person when confronted with how in the world they could get out of this without suffering life altering consequences, would have reasoned that the only way was to leave the scene and bodies untouched, drive to the nearest phone reception and call the police, ask for help and report the incident. And much has been made of Lynn’s training and ability to make the best decisions for the best outcomes.

And to know that yes, their life and those of their family would be drastically changed, that there was no way they would ever return to their job. And that no doubt they would probably be charged with various offences and probably lose their freedom for a time, following sentencing. That they would suffer consequences.

But it would probably have been far less time inside than choosing to cover up the deaths of two people and all that followed.

His family were all capable of supporting themselves should Lynn be in prison. And superannuation could resolve any large debts such as a mortgage.

Lynn has said that he had carried out a few different jobs during times of retrenchment from his airline duties.

The world doesn’t end because someone might have to find different ways to earn a living. I have certainly been faced with that situation and have had to change my work direction and find employment totally alien to my former career. I managed.

He has a wife who is capable of working His 2 sons are able to carry out part time work even if they’re still studying etc. And they would be eligible for Centrelink etc.

And Lynn would be close to being able to access his superannuation. And his wife who had also had a career with the airline.

Yeah nup. To me, it wouldn’t have been a consideration to try a cover up. And if it did happen as Lynn has detailed, then the very advanced sciences of forensic analysis, DNA, and every other expert required to take the scene apart and testify to the facts, would have confirmed the truth.

Not sure of Victorian law re confiscation of assets in cases of major criminal offences but even so, I’m sure his family could have found a way of dealing with the life changing problems that they might have been faced with.

All IMO.
 
In initial record of interview, Lynn said he took $40. Hill's wife confirmed later that she had given him $40.

That was a bit strange. Hill doesn't strike me as the kind of man who gets by on his wife's allowance.
 
I discussed this case in detail with a friend over dinner last.

It's interesting that Lynn's story, while unlikely, aligns so closely with the available evidence and I think the jury in this case are going to have a tough time making a decision about whether or not to support a double murder charge, based on the prosecution's evidence and suggested chain of events. I can't help but feel that the prosecution's case is weak in some areas.
Part of it is because Lynn destroyed a good deal of the evidence. But I don't feel that the prosecution have put enough thought into the chain of events, with the details surrounding Russell Hills actual death being a massive grey area.

There are a couple of things in particular that bug me about Lynn's version. One is RH firing shots into the air. The only possible scenario that I can see anyone firing a gun into the air is as a warning, or to draw attention.

I'm also perplexed about the particulars of the struggle between RH and GL.

This picture showing the guy rope between the Landcruiser's bumper and the camp toilet is telling:

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As far as I understand, Lynn is suggesting that RH was standing in the vicinity of the front of the Landcruiser when he discharged shots.
Well, I don't believe that RH would have attempted to pass through that narrow space, under the guy rope, in the dark. Actually I believe that both RH and CC would have viewed that space between the Ute's bumper and the toilet as no man's land.

I also don't believe that RH would have discharged a weapon right next to his brand new pride and joy, or anywhere near CC as it would have scared the bejesus out of her.
I understand that the prosecution raised questions about the two men struggling for control of the weapon under that guy rope etc.

Let's move on to the particulars of RH's death.

Lynn claims that this happened at his own camp, with RH being the aggressor. I think it's likely that Lynn is telling the truth about the location of RH's death, as he would have been aware that crime scene analysis might show it anyway.

My dinner companion pointed out that RH may have been lured to Lynn's camp.
This notion actually fits in nicely with the story about the music being turned up, about RH being bare foot in pyjamas, and about RH and CC having possibly been disturbed while on the job in the tent.

Lynn turns the music up, Russell looses his shit and heads over to Lynn's camp, where Lynn is waiting ready for a physical altercation.

Carol Clay is an unfortunate witness, and it may be that Lynn took several shots at her.
I'm not sure about the car mirror. I found it interesting that Lynn went to the trouble of describing how the laser scope would have been illuminating the passenger side mirror rather than CC's head. It may be that the mirror wasn't involved at all, but it was used to support Lynn's story of an accidental shooting. Maybe he shot through it later, or maybe he simply destroyed it.

I need to point out that what I've written above is simply a theory, because I don't particularly like either Lynn's version nor the prosecution's version. And the only living person who knows what actually went down is Lynn.
I don't feel that the prosecution have come anywhere near proving beyond reasonable doubt that Lynn commited two murders.

It's a fascinating case and it's going to be interesting to see what the jury makes of it all.
Which way did GL claim he approached RH.
If RH took his gun and walked back to.his camp.and GL confronted him from behind and they fought against the bull bar than the guy rope.wouldnt have got in the way. If anything it blocks RH going back to his camp.and allows a pause for the confrontation to occur.
Did the crown make not of the directions?
If GLs directions /mirror [was it passenger side mirror missing?]dont match hes story is impossibe hence guilty murder x 2..
if not and the prosecution hasnt argued this and theyve just said guy rope without context it even more weirdly verifies GLs story.
It also would of blocked off CC from getting in the way hence crouching by the car and shot through the mirror.
This and forensics is what the prosecution should be hammering. It's all aboutocation and direction.
Instead they started the trial talking to friends who.said what on radio and who.was having affairs when all that was never in dispute and irrelevant.
Looks like it could be a not guilty for at least one of the charges
 
Which way did GL claim he approached RH.
If RH took his gun and walked back to.his camp.and GL confronted him from behind and they fought against the bull bar than the guy rope.wouldnt have got in the way. If anything it blocks RH going back to his camp.and allows a pause for the confrontation to occur.
Did the crown make not of the directions?
If GLs directions /mirror [was it passenger side mirror missing?]dont match hes story is impossibe hence guilty murder x 2..
if not and the prosecution hasnt argued this and theyve just said guy rope without context it even more weirdly verifies GLs story.
It also would of blocked off CC from getting in the way hence crouching by the car and shot through the mirror.
This and forensics is what the prosecution should be hammering. It's all aboutocation and direction.
Instead they started the trial talking to friends who.said what on radio and who.was having affairs when all that was never in dispute and irrelevant.
Looks like it could be a not guilty for at least one of the charges
Did you listen to the podcast of Lynn's evidence?
 
I discussed this case in detail with a friend over dinner last.

It's interesting that Lynn's story, while unlikely, aligns so closely with the available evidence and I think the jury in this case are going to have a tough time making a decision about whether or not to support a double murder charge, based on the prosecution's evidence and suggested chain of events. I can't help but feel that the prosecution's case is weak in some areas.
Part of it is because Lynn destroyed a good deal of the evidence. But I don't feel that the prosecution have put enough thought into the chain of events, with the details surrounding Russell Hills actual death being a massive grey area.

There are a couple of things in particular that bug me about Lynn's version. One is RH firing shots into the air. The only possible scenario that I can see anyone firing a gun into the air is as a warning, or to draw attention.

I'm also perplexed about the particulars of the struggle between RH and GL.

This picture showing the guy rope between the Landcruiser's bumper and the camp toilet is telling:

View attachment 2014525

As far as I understand, Lynn is suggesting that RH was standing in the vicinity of the front of the Landcruiser when he discharged shots.
Well, I don't believe that RH would have attempted to pass through that narrow space, under the guy rope, in the dark. Actually I believe that both RH and CC would have viewed that space between the Ute's bumper and the toilet as no man's land.

I also don't believe that RH would have discharged a weapon right next to his brand new pride and joy, or anywhere near CC as it would have scared the bejesus out of her.
I understand that the prosecution raised questions about the two men struggling for control of the weapon under that guy rope etc.

Let's move on to the particulars of RH's death.

Lynn claims that this happened at his own camp, with RH being the aggressor. I think it's likely that Lynn is telling the truth about the location of RH's death, as he would have been aware that crime scene analysis might show it anyway.

My dinner companion pointed out that RH may have been lured to Lynn's camp.
This notion actually fits in nicely with the story about the music being turned up, about RH being bare foot in pyjamas, and about RH and CC having possibly been disturbed while on the job in the tent.

Lynn turns the music up, Russell looses his shit and heads over to Lynn's camp, where Lynn is waiting ready for a physical altercation.

Carol Clay is an unfortunate witness, and it may be that Lynn took several shots at her.
I'm not sure about the car mirror. I found it interesting that Lynn went to the trouble of describing how the laser scope would have been illuminating the passenger side mirror rather than CC's head. It may be that the mirror wasn't involved at all, but it was used to support Lynn's story of an accidental shooting. Maybe he shot through it later, or maybe he simply destroyed it.

I need to point out that what I've written above is simply a theory, because I don't particularly like either Lynn's version nor the prosecution's version. And the only living person who knows what actually went down is Lynn.
I don't feel that the prosecution have come anywhere near proving beyond reasonable doubt that Lynn commited two murders.

It's a fascinating case and it's going to be interesting to see what the jury makes of it all.
Would have liked to join that converation!...

"Lynn claims that this happened at his own camp, with RH being the aggressor. I think it's likely that Lynn is telling the truth about the location of RH's death, as he would have been aware that crime scene analysis might show it anyway"

.... I can't recall any police evidence regarding Lynn's campsite. It is clear that there is a lot of truth in Lynn's sequence of events, however it did occur to me on reading the above that this could be where he has lied? As I have previously pondered, the open doors and loud music seemed like a construct to me, in order to place the gun in Hill's hands.
Listening to Lynn speak, To me, it seems that while he is cool & collected, he is also very much used to being in control.
Is it possible that he returned to camp site after Hill's radio talk, the drone event took place ... then he,
a man holding a gun, a man who was revered in his job, used to being in charge was unable to budge a beligerant old guy with a drone, who was as we know intent upon reporting to police. Lynn's story of why he destroyed evidence,is also the very reason he reacted with rage . Shot or two for the drone, stuggle with Hill at Hill's campsite,,, Clay goes for the radio .. and the rest is history.
I believe the prosecution relied too heavily on the lyn's story being preposterous, without meticulously undoing it... although not so easy when the evidence has been destroyed.
 
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Hello everyone, looong time lurker and someone who has followed this fairly closely since the “disappearance’.

Although I live in Brisbane, I have been to the high country twice. Wonnangatta on one occasion, will be returning Easter 2025. It’s an amazing, beautiful place which has some dark secrets. I cannot wait to return!

Ok down to business, I have a few questions about Lynn’s version (like everyone).

Someone above mentioned Hill dying at Lynn’s camp (or thereabouts). My thinking is both Hill and Clay died in that 4/5 square meter burnt campsite of Hills. If Hill died at Lynn’s camp, or maybe on the grass near Lynn’s camp, wouldn’t Lynn have burnt the area where Hill fell to the ground and bled?

Lynn was almost meticulous in cleaning up the site, and destroying evidence/dna etc. He seems to like a good fire! If Hill died anywhere else, I’m suggesting Lynn would have burnt that patch as well.

Now, if Hill died elsewhere, I think it’s highly likely (not certain) that Hills blood etc would have been seen by the couple of people who first discovered the area after the deaths. They would have seen the burnt campsite, then noticed a patch of blood on the ground nearby.

Just my musings and opinions I have many more to share.
 
Possibly, but I wouldn’t think no cash was suspicious. You don’t need cash in the bush and can use cards to buy fuel/other needs on the way there and back. The police would never have known either way they had any cash.
Older people invariably carry some cash. Carol would have had some too. Did they find her handbag or purse?
 
According to the podcast the prosecution hammered GL hard in regards that the rope would have gotten in the way.
And why didn't the prosecution basically re-enact that with GL while he was on the stand - which way did he walk, to get to RH, which way did he walk back, where was he walking when he was cleaning up the evidence etc He must have bumped into the rope at some stage. Where were all the all guy wires and ropes that he said were at the camp. There was a million questions that could have been asked that related to the alleged murders and they asked stuff that wasn't relevant.
It's obvious to many people he's made up a set of lies to try and cover his tracks. I wonder if Dann was doing the prosecuting whether he would have uncovered those lies.
 
Hello everyone, looong time lurker and someone who has followed this fairly closely since the “disappearance’.

Although I live in Brisbane, I have been to the high country twice. Wonnangatta on one occasion, will be returning Easter 2025. It’s an amazing, beautiful place which has some dark secrets. I cannot wait to return!

Ok down to business, I have a few questions about Lynn’s version (like everyone).

Someone above mentioned Hill dying at Lynn’s camp (or thereabouts). My thinking is both Hill and Clay died in that 4/5 square meter burnt campsite of Hills. If Hill died at Lynn’s camp, or maybe on the grass near Lynn’s camp, wouldn’t Lynn have burnt the area where Hill fell to the ground and bled?

Lynn was almost meticulous in cleaning up the site, and destroying evidence/dna etc. He seems to like a good fire! If Hill died anywhere else, I’m suggesting Lynn would have burnt that patch as well.

Now, if Hill died elsewhere, I think it’s highly likely (not certain) that Hills blood etc would have been seen by the couple of people who first discovered the area after the deaths. They would have seen the burnt campsite, then noticed a patch of blood on the ground nearby.

Just my musings and opinions I have many more to share.
I just posted the same thoughts.No evidence at all for Hill's death. Lyn free to make a story putting gun in the hands of Hill. Having constructed a story in his mind, after realising he was on the police radar, he had to return to destroy the bodies so there would be no evidence that Hill was actually shot.
 
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