Current Trial Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder

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On the Greg Lynn committal proceedings Crown Prosecutor Mr Dickie said 'It is clear hopefully from the document, and if it's not clear from the document it's clear hopefully from the charges put before the court, that it is alleged of course that the accused acted with murderous intent when he allegedly killed the two victims.'

 

[Underarrest_]

Older people invariably carry some cash. Carol would have had some too. Did they find her handbag or purse?

The money GL said he took was from RH’s wallet. I think they found Ms Clay’ wallet. If GL took cash from Ms Clay’s wallet, police wouldn’t know but GL hasn’t, as far as I’ve seen said that he took cash from Ms Clay’s wallet.

 

[Run n Spread]

Did you listen to the podcast of Lynn's evidence?

No. What side did he come from? What mirror was missing?

 

[Lady O]

Something that's been niggling at me is Lynn's timeline. How he managed to do such a good job of cleaning up and gathering evidence in the dark and then packed up his own camp and be on the road in a matter of a couple of hours.

We only have his evidence about what happened and I'm thinking that, if you dismiss most of his evidence blaming Hill and the story about the struggle over the shotgun etc, you could turn back time to much earlier. So if Hill did use the drone to photograph him and this was the motive (I'm not sure I even believe this), then the whole thing could have gone down in mid to late afternoon.

 

[Lady O]

No. What side did he come from? What mirror was missing?

Have a listen. https://omny.fm/shows/the-missing-campers-trial/the-defendant-takes-the-stand

 

[MiguelM]

Something that's been niggling at me is Lynn's timeline. How he managed to do such a good job of cleaning up and gathering evidence in the dark and then packed up his own camp and be on the road in a matter of a couple of hours.

We only have his evidence about what happened and I'm thinking that, if you dismiss most of his evidence blaming Hill and the story about the struggle over the shotgun etc, you could turn back time to much earlier. So if Hill did use the drone to photograph him and this was the motive (I'm not sure I even believe this), then the whole thing could have gone down in mid to late afternoon.

Can't rule out anything.

For all we know it might have been Lynn flying the drone when the weedsprayers saw it later in the day to confuse timelines?

Fanciful, but who knows what lengths he went to.

 

[fargo in dargo]

Something that's been niggling at me is Lynn's timeline. How he managed to do such a good job of cleaning up and gathering evidence in the dark and then packed up his own camp and be on the road in a matter of a couple of hours.

We only have his evidence about what happened and I'm thinking that, if you dismiss most of his evidence blaming Hill and the story about the struggle over the shotgun etc, you could turn back time to much earlier. So if Hill did use the drone to photograph him and this was the motive (I'm not sure I even believe this), then the whole thing could have gone down in mid to late afternoon.

No that cant be right Lady O. He made his radio call between 6 and 6:30. Obviously alive at that point, and never made any mention of any issue with anybody else at his camp. It all happened after 6:30pm, and before 10.00pm(at least according to lynn).

 

[MiguelM]

No that cant be right Lady O. He made his radio call between 6 and 6:30. Obviously alive at that point, and never made any mention of any issue with anybody else at his camp. It all happened after 6:30pm, and before 10.00pm(at least according to lynn).

Good point!

 

[Underarrest_]

No. What side did he come from? What mirror was missing?

I think from Lynn’s account he was at the front drivers side and the mirror was the opposite side.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

No that cant be right Lady O. He made his radio call between 6 and 6:30. Obviously alive at that point, and never made any mention of any issue with anybody else at his camp. It all happened after 6:30pm, and before 10.00pm(at least according to lynn

Probably closer to 10 as they were in their PJs and barefoot. It would have been dark. The altercation may have happened earlier, leaving Lynn fuming, which was why he (allegedly) turned the music up loud and could also have shone some bright lights on their tent, where they were "having fun" or some such nonsense implied by Lynn.

 

[LeChatNoir]

"My hand was not on the trigger it was on the barrel, right hand, left hand on the stock pushing up against him."
Gregory Lynn during police interview in 2021. ref: Missing Campers Podcast.

My understand is that Lynn is adamant that he hasn't killed anyone. According to his own story, he was in control of the direction of the firearm at the time Ms Clay was shot.

 

[Lady O]

Probably closer to 10 as they were in their PJs and barefoot. It would have been dark. The altercation may have happened earlier, leaving Lynn fuming, which was why he (allegedly) turned the music up loud and could also have shone some bright lights on their tent, where they were "having fun" or some such nonsense implied by Lynn.

I agree it must have been after 6.30pm when he was on the radio call. But it is Lynn who set the time, the clothing they were wearing and how it all went down.

I was simply questioning his ability to pick up all that evidence in the dark. I guess he missed one piece, the slug that killed Clay, but he must have picked up the shells.

 

[independant witness]

Something that's been niggling at me is Lynn's timeline. How he managed to do such a good job of cleaning up and gathering evidence in the dark and then packed up his own camp and be on the road in a matter of a couple of hours.

We only have his evidence about what happened and I'm thinking that, if you dismiss most of his evidence blaming Hill and the story about the struggle over the shotgun etc, you could turn back time to much earlier. So if Hill did use the drone to photograph him and this was the motive (I'm not sure I even believe this), then the whole thing could have gone down in mid to late afternoon.

No mention of any altercation on radio call at 6:00 pm byHill.

 

[tandino]

Possibly, but I wouldn’t think no cash was suspicious. You don’t need cash in the bush and can use cards to buy fuel/other needs on the way there and back. The police would never have known either way they had any cash.

But if they discovered cash in the wallet, less chance of a robbery motive.

 

[Underarrest_]

But if they discovered cash in the wallet, less chance of a robbery motive.

Yes I agree. More meaning from a police point of view, that police wouldn’t have known for sure if there was cash or how much missing after the fact, to allude to a robbery gone wrong.
Police might have assumed they would have cash or identified they did through family members as mentioned by others though.

 

[highcountry]

There was, or should have been, a lot of evidence to support Lynn’s version.

1/ The mirror
2/ Glass from the mirror on the ground
3/ Finger prints on the gun
4/ Clay’s body with gun shot injury
5/ Blood from clay on the ground
6/ Blood splatter from clay on other things like solar panels
7/ The knife
8/ Hill’s body with knife wound
9/ Blood from Hill on the ground
10/ The knife
11/ Drone
12/ Tent and awning

This is not an exhaustive list.

Lynn methodically and systematical took action to destroy and eliminate all evidence that could prove his version of events.

All of it.

An innocent person - even if you wanted to run and hide - would not do that.

Not just, as he claims in the immediate aftermath in a state of panic but over the course of many months.

The gun especially with Hill’s finger print on the trigger - he had time to ponder and could have kept - as the ultimate insurance if the cops came knocking.

When you think about it, there was a lot more evidence of what Lynn said went down, than for any other scenario. Yet the person who most needed and had the most to benefit from such evidence - destroys every shred of it.

How he had initially had left them would have supported his story if he believed the cops were closing in.

At that point it was in his interest of being able to prove his innocence that the bodies should have remained undisturbed.

There was no rational reason to further interfere with the bodies.

At that point his interest would have been best served if the bodies were found.

 

[Eaglette01]

This ^ you HC win the internet today

The End

 

[MrsBlueSky]

I was originally of the opinion that although GL had made up stories to fit the picture the prosecution were awap.
So putting together his complete lack of remorse, callous regard for human life, being completely un-empathetic, possibly being a psychopath and I have come to the conclusion if the jury gives the judge a reason for putting GL behind bars for at least 10 years and maybe 30 then he deserves it.
GL thought he had committed the perfect crime, but he came unstuck after the cops eventually tracked him down.
Bradley sat there for a year knowing full well he had killed at least two people and made people suffer. I hope he's now suffering and I hope at the end of next week GL will find out that he will be suffering for a long time in in jail as well.

 

[independant witness]

If we accept that Lynn is guilty, what do we think is motive? Psychopathy? Narcissism?? I'm thinking "narcissistic" rage over being called to task by Hill, and the very real possibibilty of losing everything.I think Clay was cold blooded murder as she went for the radio.Psychopathy.

 

[champagnegirl]

If we accept that Lynn is guilty, what do we think is motive? Psychopathy? Narcissism?? I'm thinking "narcissistic" rage over being called to task by Hill, and the very real possibibilty of losing everything.I think Clay was cold blooded murder as she went for the radio.Psychopathy.

Perhaps the red mist descended and obliterated everything except a deep seated rage to kill anyone in his path at the time. Perhaps. IMO

 

[Run n Spread]

Have a listen. https://omny.fm/shows/the-missing-campers-trial/the-defendant-takes-the-stand

No real smoking gun from the prosecution as far as I can see. Story of him going from his fire to their illuminated camp and coming from behind backs up his version.
Can't see any mention of moving the bodies sleeping bags etc unless I missed it.
The crown haven't drilled down into the forensics and direction enough. Disprove an element of the story and murder is the only alternative.
Yet the more evidence presented seems to back his version as plausible.
Could be a not guilty here and a guilty for involuntary manslaughter

 

[Run n Spread]

His account is detailed and complex.

He has said - despite all the lies and cover up that he is not now lying.

If the jury determine one key element of his story is a lie, such as the guy rope or head torch, his whole elaborate house of cards collapses.

If that happens his post event actions tell a story. One of murderous intent. A story that a reasonable would likely have trouble believing an innocent person would or could do.

Would/could an innocent person go on and do what he subsequently did?

How an innocent person would act. How would you know? Fine to theorise but say it was a total accident + he's been irresponsible with the guns. It's actually a ****ing unbelievable situation. Who honestly knows how anyone reacts?
Who hear has been in emergency high stress situations? (All be it not like this). There is no way of knowing how you act until your in it

 

[Teen Wolf]

Part of Lynn's incriminating post-murder actions include making up the ridiculous cover story, which no reasonable person should spend more than 10 seconds seriously contemplating.

IMO

 

[Percel]

That was a bit strange. Hill doesn't strike me as the kind of man who gets by on his wife's allowance.

Could have been what she had handy, and he may have had none. Do it with my wife all the time

 

[highcountry]

This ^ you HC win the internet today

The End

Thanks.

 

[highcountry]

How an innocent person would act. How would you know? Fine to theorise but say it was a total accident + he's been irresponsible with the guns. It's actually a ****ing unbelievable situation. Who honestly knows how anyone reacts?
Who hear has been in emergency high stress situations? (All be it not like this). There is no way of knowing how you act until your in it

If you are innocent you want and need to protect evidence to prove your case.

Innocent people don’t destroy the only evidence that can prove their innocence.

Sure in the heat of the moment - in a panic you would expect to make silly mistakes.

The case of returning to the bodies is different.

He sat for months during Covid lock downs and had the opportunity to go over all options.

He made a deliberate decision to destroy evidence of the shot to the head and the stab wound to the chest.

That to me is not the rational actions of an innocent person.