Current Trial Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder

[Kurve]

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On the Greg Lynn committal proceedings Crown Prosecutor Mr Dickie said 'It is clear hopefully from the document, and if it's not clear from the document it's clear hopefully from the charges put before the court, that it is alleged of course that the accused acted with murderous intent when he allegedly killed the two victims.'

 

[BG32]

An argument got (very) heated, blunt force trauma and strangulation. Tent and gear burnt, bodies put in the trailer and taken to be buried.

Unless he had a pistol or crossbow as a rifle would have been heard. Running over tent would be noticeable and sharp object would leave DNA.

 

[outspace]

Yep, but as a suggestion I think, if police suspected he'd moved them in RH's vehicle, surely there would be DNA traces of some sort, or evidence of sleeping bag thread caught on sharp protrusion, etc. They're still very intent on the trailer, which I think points to that being the method of transport of bodies. Happy to be corrected, but that's a lot of driving and riskier than just using his own transport to dump them and keep driving.

You will find me agreeing, not correcting.

I was responding to someone that has mentioned it more than once, i find it interesting.

 

[footscray1973]

Not to mention that to kill them instantly he'd have had to run over both their heads which would be extremely hard to do when you can't see the target.

Not intending to be gruesome, but crushed thorax(es) also a possibility. Also not wanting to be crass, but given it has been portrayed at times as a romantic getaway, they could have flown the drone then had a canoodle in the tent before dinner, and that's when he's hit the tent with the car. (Kurve please feel free to delete if this post is deemed too crass, certainly not intending that, only another possibility to consider.)

 

[nut]

mystifying why it’s back up

I could only imagine the defence wanting it back up… to paint a picture of a family man

 

[Badd0g]

An argument got (very) heated, blunt force trauma and strangulation. Tent and gear burnt, bodies put in the trailer and taken to be buried.

Unless he had a pistol or crossbow as a rifle would have been heard. Running over tent would be noticeable and sharp object would leave DNA.

I'm with you. And I also reckon it was the continuation of an argument, that he went back to with a (potential) weapon - hence the murder charge(s). They need to be able to prove he intended to do it and that he knew that his actions would reasonably result in death (x2)...the OPP would have required evidence enough of that to support the charges.

 

[Sir_Loin]

I could only imagine the defence wanting it back up… to paint a picture of a family man

its been sanitised that’s for sure. The comments though

 

[Terrafirma]

its been sanitised that’s for sure. The comments though

Yeah he is getting smashed on his FB page typical keyboard warriors they are like parasites waiting to cling...!

 

[Kurve]

Not intending to be gruesome, but crushed thorax(es) also a possibility. Also not wanting to be crass, but given it has been portrayed at times as a romantic getaway, they could have flown the drone then had a canoodle in the tent before dinner, and that's when he's hit the tent with the car. (Kurve please feel free to delete if this post is deemed too crass, certainly not intending that, only another possibility to consider.)

That's a possibility imo.

Thanks for being aware though, I had to go back and redo my post about bush wees and snakes for unintentionally using the wrong words, I must have had a brain fog or something.

 

[Terrafirma]

That's a possibility imo.

Thanks for being aware though, I had to go back and redo my post about bush wees and snakes for unintentionally using the wrong words, I must have had a brain fog or something.

We all do it..! LOL

 

[Badd0g]

its been sanitised that’s for sure. The comments though

Yeah it appears all pics of the kids bar the adult one have been removed for their privacy.

 

[craigos]

Also not wanting to be crass, but given it has been portrayed at times as a romantic getaway, they could have flown the drone then had a canoodle in the tent before dinner,

 

[maggiethecat]

Perhaps his wife knows the password and is checking it out?

 

[Kurve]

the 21 minute mark of the 60 minutes video is the bush workers statement re drone.

At 20.30 Liz Hayes says the 'blackberry worker claimed to have seen Russell and Carol driving by and that a drone had been flying' then the musterer picks up the story.

Sorry, the musterer didn't say 'driving' but I will assume Liz Hayes got that info from him

 

[Hard Ball Get]

its been sanitised that’s for sure. The comments though

Are we allowed to post grabs for those that don't have Facebook?

 

[Terrafirma]

At 20.30 Liz Hayes says the 'blackberry worker claimed to have seen Russell and Carol driving by and that a drone had been flying' then the musterer picks up the story.

Yeah the blackberry worker told the musterer he'd seen Hill and Clay and he "Believed" Hill was flying his drone. The musterer hesitated before re-kindling the part about the drone being disrespectful

 

[L756]

Not to mention that to kill them instantly he'd have had to run over both their heads which would be extremely hard to do when you can't see the target.

My thoughts also. If investigators had sifted the remains of RH and CC footwear from burnt remains, they haven't mentioned it or suggested the missing pair were asleep or prone (shoe-less) when attacked. And repeated searches in surrounding bushland never suggested that searchers were looking for a shoe-less couple

I can imagine a psycho driving into the tent in a rage or under the influence, but as I said earlier, it would have ended up as a bloodbath. Because the driver would have known he'd have to finish them off. And people in a half/fully collapsed tent, having been subjected to a drive-over, would more than likely be injured. Their adrenalin would be through the roof. Survival instincts on full. They'd grab for anything to defend themselves. RH could have habitually had a knife strapped to his leg (prepared for snakes, etc.). And CC could have grabbed for a saucepan, anything. So unless the driver was prepared to simply drive off leaving his gear (realising he'd be apprehended later) he'd have to leap out of his vehicle and start swinging. It would have been messy, killing two people simultaneously who were intent on surviving. The perp himself risked being injured/disabled. So setting fire to the tent and chucking into the blaze anything which he could have touched or which might have borne traces of his own blood was an act of self-preservation on the perp's part after he'd murdered RH and CC by whatever means. He'd lost the plot at that point because creating a blaze was a risk

Some might argue the perp was in a psychotic rage and decided to simply drive into the tent even if RH and CC were up and about and in and out of the tent at the time. But only a psycho with the mentality of a comic-book would believe they could 100% kill two adults that way

and if he did drive into the tent, there would be evidence of that such as mangled, squashed items which investigators would have sussed

But, as Kurve has said, the drive into the tent scenario was simply suggested earlier in the thread as a 'possible', not a reality

 

[Sir_Loin]

Are we allowed to post grabs for those that don't have Facebook?

you’re not missing much. Just think of the language you come across at the punt road end when you play the pies at the G

 

[Kurve]

Are we allowed to post grabs for those that don't have Facebook?

Yes, I think we can allow it because I'm pretty sure the cops have probably taken over his social media accounts anyway. No links though.

 

[Terrafirma]

One of Lynn's campsite setups this was back in April. Pretty basic and no sign of the Camper. It seems he was always camping, escaping the world so to speak?

 

[L756]

Yep, but as a suggestion I think, if police suspected he'd moved them in RH's vehicle, surely there would be DNA traces of some sort, or evidence of sleeping bag thread caught on sharp protrusion, etc. They're still very intent on the trailer, which I think points to that being the method of transport of bodies. Happy to be corrected, but that's a lot of driving and riskier than just using his own transport to dump them and keep driving.

I absolutely agree. Not as if sleeping bags are hermetically-sealed/leak-proof. Plus they can be slippery. The perp doesn't look like any sort of iron-man either and two older adults, recently dead, would weigh a ton. Lucky the perp didn't have a heart-attack while trying to get them into RH vehicle or a trailer

plus, someone said earlier -- whether or not true -- that the RH vehicle rear wasn't designed to transport two dead, adult bodies. And would the RH vehicle cab be any better (the Weekend at Bernie's comments earlier in the thread)

Not to mention the possibility that someone could enter the campground while the perp was using the RH vehicle to transport the bodies (outside possibility but still a possibility). Let's say a hiker stumbled into that campground, exhausted after becoming lost earlier, and simply tossed a tarp on the ground in the shadow of trees. What would they make of someone arriving in RH vehicle, burning down a tent and tossing everything into it, only to take off in the perp's blue vehicle?

Anyway, if the perp had used the RH vehicle to transport the bodies, that vehicle would have been a goldmine for investigators. Evidence galore, including the perp's dna. Because in the dark, in a panic, I don't believe the perp would painstakingly manage to remove every trace. And despite that police returned RH's vehicle to his home initially (before seizing it again after a week or so) they would have found evidence (and blood) of not only RH and CC, but also perp's dna and/or fingerprints. Which would have ruled out the searches for the missing couple back when it was believed they could still be alive but lost in bushland

 

[Badd0g]

One of Lynn's campsite setups this was back in April. Pretty basic and no sign of the Camper. It seems he was always camping, escaping the world so to speak?

Are you referring to the camper or the trailer? The camper didn't have OR tyres from what I can tell. This looks like Cobbler and if it is where I think it is, you have to park across from where the tent/tarp is at, so no way of knowing whether it was used or not with such a tightly cropped pic

 

[Kurve]

One of Lynn's campsite setups this was back in April. Pretty basic and no sign of the Camper. It seems he was always camping, escaping the world so to speak?

Looks like a long handled red blade shovel in the background. Do we know what the tripod is for?

 

[maggiethecat]

Looks like a long handled red blade shovel in the background. Do we know what the tripod is for?

Looks like a long handled red blade shovel in the background. Do we know what the tripod is for?

Possibly for camp oven cooking

 

[Terrafirma]

Quote " Not to mention the possibility that someone could enter the campground while the perp was using the RH vehicle to transport the bodies (outside possibility but still a possibility). Let's say a hiker stumbled into that campground, exhausted after becoming lost earlier, and simply tossed a tarp on the ground in the shadow of trees. What would they make of someone arriving in RH vehicle, burning down a tent and tossing everything into it, only to take off in the perp's blue vehicle?"

Now we are getting really far fetched..! There's no doubt somebody will make a movie of the case.! Some parts fiction too...

 

[Badd0g]

Quote " Let's say a hiker stumbled into that campground, exhausted after becoming lost earlier...."

Now we are getting really far fetched..! There's no doubt somebody will make a movie of the case.! Some parts fiction too...

It'll make a great movie if done well!
Re: hikers. Very few people hike into the valley. It's a long hard slog from down off the Viking or down the very steep Dry River track and a big chunk of it on 4wd tracks. There's no real walking tracks in the area. Most people don't bother - they just loop back up from the river to the Howitt Rd. We get some odd looks when we hike in.