Current Trial Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder

[Kurve]

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On the Greg Lynn committal proceedings Crown Prosecutor Mr Dickie said 'It is clear hopefully from the document, and if it's not clear from the document it's clear hopefully from the charges put before the court, that it is alleged of course that the accused acted with murderous intent when he allegedly killed the two victims.'

 

[Zidane98]

Interesting, isn't it? So was the gunshot to kill the first victim or the second? Punched/pushed RH maybe, who hit us head or similar, then shot CC? Or shot RH first, then used a different method to kill CC. Or the bullet through RH also hit CC? Or maybe CC was the first victim?

If all 3 are involved in a struggle not out of the realm that one gun shot could kill 2 of them at close range. This is where ballistics comes in.

 

[Zidane98]

Intriguing that RH pulled up right alongside GL's vehicle. The theory that he wanted GL's campsite must hold some veracity.

 

[Lady O]

Mr Miljkovic told the court he had seen the couple as they drove slowly down a forest track within the Wonnangatta Valley in the Victorian Alps.

'They appeared to be a grandma and grandpa out for a drive,' he said through the aid of a Serbian interpreter.

The pair had been stuck behind the elderly couple as they drove slowly along the track to their campsite, which already had two vehicles parked there.

One of those cars was a white Landcruiser, the other was described as a blue Nissan Patrol - the same type of vehicle seized by police when they arrested Lynn on November 22 last year.

Thanks, but I an read. This is what I meant "he said through the aid of a Serbian interpreter."

 

[Zidane98]

That witness should also be able to nail the time RH/CC arrived at camp. Looks like GL definitely wasn't there at the time.

 

[DropBearess]

I wonder if the couple were copulating and one bullet got them both?

 

[Terrafirma]

I thought they only arrived there late that afternoon?

Sounds like the came and went the reporting re this is all very confusing isn't it. It's also confusing how the hunter was behind Hill approaching the campsite and saw a white land cruiser and blue patrol? That would suggest Lynn's Patrol and Hill's Landcruiser? But it sounds like he was driving behind Hill who was going very slowly.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Here you go Terrafirma

Weed sprayer Robert Williams told the court he believed he had spoken to Mr Hill in the wilderness in the days before he was allegedly murdered.

He described Mr Hill as a 'grumpy old bugger' who later buzzed him with a drone.

'I was getting droned out,' he later told police.

Mr Williams said he saw the drone hovering over other people's campsites, which he believed were being filmed.

How is this possible? I thought they were killed hours after they arrived and set up camp.

 

[Zidane98]

Sounds like the came and went the reporting re this is all very confusing isn't it. It's also confusing how the hunter was behind Hill approaching the campsite and saw a white land cruiser and blue patrol? That would suggest Lynn's Patrol and Hill's Landcruiser? But it sounds like he was driving behind Hill who was going very slowly.

That's the way I interpreted it.


Very strange that RH/CC pulled up right alongside GL's Patrol.

 

[Zidane98]

How is this possible? I thought they were killed hours after they arrived and set up camp.

The timeline for death is somewhere between 7.30pm & 10pm. They arrived at or around 6pm. Looks like they had also set up camp. Wonder if the drone reports time can be pegged to further narrow down the possible time of death.

 

[Lady O]

Notice the weed sprayer didn't say that he saw who was flying the drone. There was another drone found, so who knows whether this was someone besides RH flying a drone?

"Contract weed sprayer Robert Williams was working in the area the week the campers were reported missing.
He said a "grumpy" man sped past him near the Bucks Camp before lunch on March 20.
Others driving past had stopped to chat, but this man "put his foot down, zoomed past me", he said.

Hours later, as he phoned his boss about 5pm, Williams said he saw a drone flying overhead.
He waved as it flew over him, filming, and it circled several times before flying over nearby campsites, describing it as rude.
"You're going there to have a peaceful camp and somebody's flying a drone over top of you," he said.
He watched it for 35 or 40 minutes before it continued on out of sight."

 

[DropBearess]

I thought l read somewhere that Hill had been camping alone in the same place a few days prior. I thought it strange at the time. Does anyone else recall reading this?

 

[Kurve]

How is this possible? I thought they were killed hours after they arrived and set up camp.

The press is scrambling to be first to get information out, they might be getting some information wrong but if Russel and Carol were there for more than one night, maybe they moved their campsite after the first night to get away from Lynn?

 

[geoffjennings79]

Mr Miljkovic told the court he had seen the couple as they drove slowly down a forest track within the Wonnangatta Valley in the Victorian Alps.

'They appeared to be a grandma and grandpa out for a drive,' he said through the aid of a Serbian interpreter.

The pair had been stuck behind the elderly couple as they drove slowly along the track to their campsite, which already had two vehicles parked there.

One of those cars was a white Landcruiser, the other was described as a blue Nissan Patrol - the same type of vehicle seized by police when they arrested Lynn on November 22 last year.

Mr Miljkovic said he saw the elderly couple park their car up close to the two vehicles already at the site.

He described the move as 'strange' given there was plenty of room for them to park elsewhere.

Mr Miljkovic told the court he saw the elderly couple again the following day as they returned from a graveyard situated in the remote bushland.

The pair had been headed back to their ute, which was parked by the river.

Intriguing that RH pulled up right alongside GL's vehicle. The theory that he wanted GL's campsite must hold some veracity.

That witness should also be able to nail the time RH/CC arrived at camp. Looks like GL definitely wasn't there at the time.

That full quote is interesting in several aspects.

Obviously the Landcruiser is news to most of us. But also:

The pair had been stuck behind the elderly couple as they drove slowly along the track to their campsite, which already had two vehicles parked there.

I assume "their campsite" refers to RH/CC's campsite, but could also refer to "the pair" as in Miljkovic and whoever he was with?

Was Miljkovic camped nearby already, or intending to camp, or did he camp there at all? And he saw them again the next day, so he was obviously in the area on multiple days.

Not being critical, as it's a bit confusing, but your second and third quotes above contradict each other, don't they? If GL wasn't there, and RH/CC were there first, how could RH wanting GL's campsite be an issue? Did GL arrive later and park at their site, so RH has returned and parked right alongside GL's vehicle because it was his site?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Also, how the hell is the ballistic expert not available this week despite the committal hearing being set since August? Unless he is unable to attend for health reasons I do not possibly see how he can be unavailable to testify.

Yeah that seems ridiculous to me too.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I thought the court notes said only 4 witnesses. Obviously Greg Lynn will give his account.

No way Lynn testifies.

 

[geoffjennings79]

The press is scrambling to be first to get information out, they might be getting some information wrong but if Russel and Carol were there for more than one night, maybe they moved their campsite after the first night to get away from Lynn?

Yeah, good point. Are the press confusing the issue with ambiguous/incorrect reporting, or did RH/CC (or just RH initially) come and go to the general area, with GL nabbing RH's original site in between? But Miljkovic says he saw both on separate days.

 

[Anja_Nees]

My memory is that Russell went there first and came back and got Carol days later. Can’t recall the source.

 

[Lady O]

So here is a quote from a different source about the vehicles:

"They noticed the vehicle drive off the path and into a campground area with some toilets and two cars parked nearby.
One was a white ute, both men said.
Jovar described the second as a blue Nissan Patrol, while Miljkovic said it was a blue station wagon.
Miljkovic believed he saw the same couple the following day, walking from a graveyard to the ute parked near a river."

I would have to rely on someone who knows the area, but wasn't Lynn camped near the toilets?
If Hill and Clay were camped somewhere else, wouldn't it be normal for them to drive to the toilets? Also any other campers would use the toilets and also drive to them, so maybe if there WAS another white Landcruiser ute, it was simply another camper going to the toilets?

 

[JWS2019]

Geez must have been a real pain in the ass if people are saying this after the fact... as said no reason to kill someone but If someone was already on edge could be enough to push them over.

 

[geoffjennings79]

My memory is that Russell went there first and came back and got Carol days later. Can’t recall the source.

Yeah, that was the original narrative, but the shooter's comment says he saw both on successive days. As you say, RH was noted as being there days before though, so maybe CC and RH were there on successive days after RH's solo visit, and as Kurve noted, moved sites. They definitely left home on the 19th, but were reported as setting up camp on the 20th close to dusk, as RH then contacted his radio mates.

 

[Zidane98]

Yeah, that was the original narrative, but the shooter's comment says he saw both on successive days. As you say, RH was noted as being there days before though, so maybe CC and RH were there on successive days after RH's solo visit, and as Kurve noted, moved sites. They definitely left home on the 19th, but were reported as setting up camp on the 20th close to dusk, as RH then contacted his radio mates.

They stayed elsewhere on the night of the 19th. Definitely arrived Wonnangatta evening of the 20th, he confirmed it via radio.

 

[Zidane98]

I thought l read somewhere that Hill had been camping alone in the same place a few days prior. I thought it strange at the time. Does anyone else recall reading this?

He had been away camping earlier in the month by himself, then came back to get CC and go camping again.

 

[Awakening]

I thought l read somewhere that Hill had been camping alone in the same place a few days prior. I thought it strange at the time. Does anyone else recall reading this?

Yes! As I’m reading this and before I got to your comment, I remembered reading that Hill had been there (on his own presumably) before collecting Carol.

 

[geoffjennings79]

They stayed elsewhere on the night of the 19th. Definitely arrived Wonnangatta evening of the 20th, he confirmed it via radio.

That's what I thought was the case. But the shooter says he saw them at that camp site on the first day (when they parked right up next to GL's Patrol and the LC also there), then saw them again the next day.

There's a disconnect here somewhere, either press reporting, or shooter's comment.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

The timeline for death is somewhere between 7.30pm & 10pm. They arrived at or around 6pm. Looks like they had also set up camp. Wonder if the drone reports time can be pegged to further narrow down the possible time of death.

Then the weed sprayer did not speak to Russell “in the days before he was murdered”. Unless RH had been there on a previous occasion by himself. That’s not the same thing, circumstances were quite different and possibly irrelevant.

Witnesses on the day in question, the 20th, are needed. From 6pm onwards. Surely the weed sprayer would have knocked off by 6pm.

I fail to see how using a drone - if that even happened - can be grounds for self-defence. Even if RH aimed the thing at GL’s face, you still don’t kill, dismember and bury people.