Injury SACK DOCTORS 1 - CTE

[Sanders]

Mate seriously * off

You dont care about this beyond the fact it A) involves Port doing the wrong thing and B) It was a showdown where you pulled our pants down and slapped us slilly while we giggled and sipped bathwater

You have your own board to jerk off to go back there

If that’s how you see it, then your players deserve better.

 

[glitch01]

I think the obvious solution is to sack the doctor and by association the head coach…..

In all seriousness in the current environment I would have expected them to both complete the 20 minutes at the very least.
As much as we all want to win everything now is (and should be) focussed on players wellbeing.


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[drcollossimo]

If that’s how you see it, then your players deserve better.

On that we both agree, what we dont is why youre pointing that out here and now

 

[JimmyBC]

Does this doc also pass Dixon fit to play with a leg made of mashed potato?

 

[George Kramer]

Neither looker knocked out to me despite the commentators bias.

Both clearly holding their heads up.

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So he passed the concussion test?

 

[JimmyBC]

Looks like all the Doctors from the Adelaide board have arrived.

 

[Willsy10]

If that’s how you see it, then your players deserve better.

Don’t pretend you give a **** about our players you shit stirring campaigner.


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[Powerade 08]

4 players in 1 practice game. None come off the field after the hits, none get subbed out. Don't buy into the narrative that we are doing anything diff to other clubs.

Crows players head slammed into the ground by Marshall, not looked at.

No club will sub 2 players out of a game 5 minutes in unless they are basically dead.

 

[TeeKray]

4 players in 1 practice game. None come off the field after the hits, none get subbed out. Don't buy into the narrative that we are doing anything diff to other clubs.

Crows players head slammed into the ground by Marshall, not looked at.

No club will sub 2 players out of a game 5 minutes in unless they are basically dead.

What other clubs are doing is irrelevant.

The protocol is that the doctor must order a HIA if the vision suggests a concussion might be possible. It's plainly absurd to say this vision doesn't fit that criteria - and doubly so when the other player involved in the collision was subject to one despite them both looking to have worn similar impact and having reacted in a similar way.

Now, for all we know, Aliir passes the HIA and is fine. A head knock does not necessarily equal concussion. But it's a little too convenient that the player waved through here is also one of our most irreplaceable players. And that's not lost on anyone.

 

[Sanders]

Don’t pretend you give a * about our players you s**t stirring campaigner.

So what do you think about the actual issues?

Should a club employed, generalist doctor without specific neurotrauma specialisms be acting unilaterally on whether to even invoke concussion protocols during in-game situations?

The most highly resourced and professional sports league in the world says no way.

What do you think?

 

[Schulzenfest]

It's fine for us to risk giving Aliir permanent brain injury because North Melbourne are doing it to their players

Let's definitely try to model ourselves on what North Melbourne are doing, that seems like a good idea

 

[Powerade 08]

What other clubs are doing is irrelevant.

The protocol is that the doctor must order a HIA if the vision suggests a concussion might be possible. It's plainly absurd to say this vision doesn't fit that criteria - and doubly so when the other player involved in the collision was subject to one despite them both looking to have worn similar impact and having reacted in a similar way.

Now, for all we know, Aliir passes the HIA and is fine. A head knock does not necessarily equal concussion. But it's a little too convenient that the player waved through here is also one of our most irreplaceable players. And that's not lost on anyone.

No it is not irrelevant. If the AFL wants this taken seriously they can have an independent doctor do the assessment.

If they are not going to do that, we should be able to cut corners and cheat the system like every other club.

 

[JimmyBC]

It's fine for us to risk giving Aliir permanent brain injury because North Melbourne are doing it to their players

Let's definitely try to model ourselves on what North Melbourne are doing, that seems like a good idea

That's the thing I couldn't give a shite about other clubs just look after our people, for me if I see that vision it's game over for both.

 

[Schulzenfest]

No it is not irrelevant. If the AFL wants this taken seriously they can have an independent doctor do the assessment.

If they are not going to do that, we should be able to cut corners and cheat the system like every other club.

If Aliir is eating his food through a straw by age 40 it'll all be worth it because thanks to him we only lost by 50 points instead of 70 tonight.

This is more important than football my dude.

 

[Powerade 08]

If Aliir is eating his food through a straw by age 40 it'll all be worth it because thanks to him we only lost by 50 points instead of 70 tonight

This is the reality of professional sport. We would hardly win a game if we worried about the players mental and physical health. Players should probably sit out for months after taking a hit to the head.

 

[Sanders]

No it is not irrelevant. If the AFL wants this taken seriously they can have an independent doctor do the assessment.

If they are not going to do that, we should be able to cut corners and cheat the system like every other club.

The only people you would be cheating is your own players welfare!

Surely this is more important than childish club rivalry.

This is from the official AFL head injury protocol, and it’s pretty clear the only way to get through the assessment in these cases is by not invoking the protocol - and how anyone can say there was no suspected risk of concussion is unfathomable

Both players were out, and neither made motions to protect themselves in the way down

Now, my personal opinion is that Mark Fisher was unduly influenced by the fact that there were 2 of your players involved in the one incident and for competitive reasons made a bad decision not to invoke HIA’s. Maybe subconsciously, maybe not… but I believe the situation affected his judgement

 

[Sanders]

This is the reality of professional sport. We would hardly win a game if we worried about the players mental and physical health.

IF?

 

[2notepockets]

I cynically said as soon as it happened Jones will be subbed Aliir will be back... still thought at least they would do HIA... absolute indefensible disgrace... complete disregard for player welfare.

 

[Portology]

4 players in 1 practice game. None come off the field after the hits, none get subbed out. Don't buy into the narrative that we are doing anything diff to other clubs.

Crows players head slammed into the ground by Marshall, not looked at.

No club will sub 2 players out of a game 5 minutes in unless they are basically dead.

The first vid both are up unassisted very quickly.
The second gif doesn't show the post collision outcome.

Whataboutism is a weak defence anyway.

A long narrative is already out there, vaguely linking a bunch of things. Not that it's got anything to do with the AFL assessing tonight's... decisions. Crying "persecution" to dismiss potential investigation is also a weak defence, worthy only of that Orange-headed buffoon US politician.

That last sentence of yours is a problem on a few levels, hey?

 

[Sanders]

And this is the other reason, why club affiliated doctors are put in an unenviable position of being susceptible to competitive pressures

Both Jones & Aliir should have been assessed under the protocol, at the same time - or just as likely due to personnel constraints, sequentially

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

I'm a health care professional and an educated trainer at my local footy club.

I'll back my judgement over your rehashing of Roos comments.

Both could end up with delayed concussion but neither were out cold.

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Far out. I hope you’re never my health care professional.

Jones was conscious (albeit seeing stars). Alliir was asleep like my 6 month old with a belly full of milk.

 

[rabidcrow]

If Aliir is eating his food through a straw by age 40 it'll all be worth it because thanks to him we only lost by 50 points instead of 70 tonight.

This is more important than football my dude.

The decision was as much about next week as tonight. If he goes off concussed then he would have been ineligible to take on Hawkins/Cameron next week.
Clearly the Power Doc is very experienced and respected - but at 65 I think they said, perhaps he is a bit more old school and therefore less cautious. A lot of teams sub players out for concussion these days for seemingly innocuous incidents. Perhaps overly cautious and that makes this one stick out so badly


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[Kangas_11]

4 players in 1 practice game. None come off the field after the hits, none get subbed out. Don't buy into the narrative that we are doing anything diff to other clubs.

Crows players head slammed into the ground by Marshall, not looked at.

No club will sub 2 players out of a game 5 minutes in unless they are basically dead.

Both Lobb and Keath went straight off after that incident and were assessed by the docs. The Zurhaar and Curtis clash didn't have any contact to the head, either in the collision or with the ground, they just knocked the wind out of each other and got straight up.

 

[edgie]

Selwood would cop hits and draw some blood over the eye because he's got a bunch of scar tissue and is a ducking campaigner. I can't recall him going limp too many times and being brought back on.

I recall him looking dazed and confused almost every time. Fine after thirty seconds to a minute, but surely deserving of a test.

I've been smacked silly in the head and managed to recover after a minute, but for that minute I knew I was in the early low level stages of concussion.

There's also been times where I've been smacked in the head, and it's hurt, bloody hurt on a surface level and left me feeling stunned, no different to slamming a finger in a door and your whole body wants to momentarily shutdown, but my brain felt unscathed on the inside.

It's not something anyone is equipped to diagnose from the telly, but yeah, a test should've have been done. On Selwood and ours. Like I said though, it's possible to get your wits back rather quickly, before leaving the field, and I am sure it's possible to pass if you want to.

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[Del165198]

Remember when our expert veteran doctor wrapped a bit of duct tape around their heads and sent them both back on 2 mins later because the match was in the balance?

And the piece of shit Hinkley fired up and got aggressive that anyone would question our medical staff?

Aside from the players health concerns, we are opening ourselves up massively for lawsuits. The same doctor got fined with not following concussion protocols for hartlett. The club should sack him (and Hinkley) IMMEDIATELY. .

AFL fine Port Adelaide $20,000 over Hartlett concussion incident

Port Adelaide have been fined $10,000 for failing to follow AFL regulations when assessing Hamish Hartlett after he received a head knock in round 16

www.theguardian.com