Opinion Sack Hinkley 4 - Show Him The Door

[backtozero]

I don't think he has been better than Primus, at least not definitively so. Matty gets dragged through the mud by a lot of people, but the selection decisions he made arguably set the club up. He was working on a shoestring budget and given the boot after just 2 years. Like a lot of coaches, we will never know how successful he could have been if he had been given 9 years in the role with the resources, list and support staff Ken has had.

He played a tall forward line and didn't like the Cornses too.

 

[Us against the rest]

What steps have been put in place to achieve this plan?

Well going by our lasted pathetic performance, I would say not many steps at all.

 

[tribey]

Best win record since 04 so what 2 coaches lol , Williams then primus now hinkley who has been better then 1 coach since 1998 is not amazing Koch

121-81 (W 59.5%)

Now let’s shamelessly cherry-pick and subtract a few of those games,

11-0 vs Gold Coast
9-1 vs St Kilda
8-4 vs Carlton
7-2 vs North Melbourne

= 86-74 (W 53.75%)

If a few of these perennial powerhouses could cop a wildcard into the final four we’ll be laughing, basically.

 

[finbarr]

I don't think he has been better than Primus, at least not definitively so. Matty gets dragged through the mud by a lot of people, but the selection decisions he made arguably set the club up. He was working on a shoestring budget and given the boot after just 2 years. Like a lot of coaches, we will never know how successful he could have been if he had been given 9 years in the role with the resources, list and support staff Ken has had.

To an extent he was white anted.
"We have no money, here's your assistant coaches, go out there and do what you can with it".
Then as soon as Hinkley walked in the purse strings loosened and have been loose ever since.....until now perhaps....
David Koch is a shifty character who could back Hinkley publicly while be trying to undermine him internally. I don't know exactly what's happening at the moment, but my hope is the board has finally decided to stop giving Hinkley a fully stocked football department to hide his failings behind.

 

[PowerBaz]

To an extent he was white anted.
"We have no money, here's your assistant coaches, go out there and do what you can with it".
Then as soon as Hinkley walked in the purse strings loosened and have been loose ever since.....until now perhaps....
David Koch is a shifty character who could back Hinkley publicly while be trying to undermine him internally. I don't know exactly what's happening at the moment, but my hope is the board has finally decided to stop giving Hinkley a fully stocked football department to hide his failings behind.

I’d say we are gearing up for change and they are saving a few pennies and we are in debt… the team should be pretty well structured to run on its own…

 

[PAFC66]

Who's our senior assistant then? Bassett?

 

[Pt Augusta Power]

Lol - we are just promoting people from within the club. Nice.

 

[tribey]

To an extent he was white anted.
"We have no money, here's your assistant coaches, go out there and do what you can with it".
Then as soon as Hinkley walked in the purse strings loosened and have been loose ever since.....until now perhaps....
David Koch is a shifty character who could back Hinkley publicly while be trying to undermine him internally. I don't know exactly what's happening at the moment, but my hope is the board has finally decided to stop giving Hinkley a fully stocked football department to hide his failings behind.

The mythology that’s sprung up around Hinkley, Koch and Thomas as miracle workers or saviours who had/have earned the right to do as they please and ‘see it through regardless’, is probably the most galling aspect of the past 6-7 years of disappointment since the hot start of 2013/14.

One Club (Fiacchi/Ginever) was locked away before the trio arrived.

The Adelaide Oval redevelopment and relocation was locked away before the trio arrived — even Round 23 against Melbourne being moved from Football Park was locked away before Haysman fell on his sword.

The $9,000,000 AFL/SANFL rescue package was locked away before the trio arrived.

And all the while the previous board is getting the sh¡t kicked out of them by the SANFL and local media, while Primus is trying to oversee a grass roots rebuild on a literal shoestring — two of his coaches famously included a 26yo IT guy who’d never laced a boot, and FIFO Dean Laidley conducting sessions via Skype.

Ken parachutes into a full coaches box including Alan Richardson and Darren Burgess, with the likes of Boak, Gray, Wingard, Wines, Ebert, Hartlett, Jonas, Westhoff, Trengove, Broadbent, Hombsch, Lobbe and Pittard in the 18-25 age range.

Oh the hardship of it all! However did he cope?

Please say you’ll stay forever, Daddy!

 

[finbarr]

I’d say we are gearing up for change and they are saving a few pennies and we are in debt… the team should be pretty well structured to run on its own…

This is only a hunch of mine, but given what C4 has posted here about the clubs high opinion of him, I personally wouldn't be surprised if the club is gearing up to bring Alan Richardson back for the senior coaching role.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Port Adelaide Football Club lives to the charter to compete and win in the biggest competition in the land, representing our community with pride and passion.

The goals in our ‘Chasing Greatness’ Strategic Vision are bold.

Winning premierships, reaching 100,000 members, redeveloping the Alberton Oval precinct and being completely debt free by 1 November 2025.

People who don’t understand Port Adelaide question the boldness of our plan.

They don’t understand the values our Club has been built on.

Port Adelaide expects to win, and we embrace that expectation in all we do.

To be truly great we cannot rely on financial institutions and the AFL.

We’re a force to be reckoned with, and now we seek financial freedom.


Read that then watch the replay of the prelim, if you can stomach it.

Prove it

 

[Enviable Tradition]

I don't think he has been better than Primus, at least not definitively so. Matty gets dragged through the mud by a lot of people, but the selection decisions he made arguably set the club up. He was working on a shoestring budget and given the boot after just 2 years. Like a lot of coaches, we will never know how successful he could have been if he had been given 9 years in the role with the resources, list and support staff Ken has had.

I feel like anyone capable of owning and learning from their mistakes would have done better than Ken given the same time and opportunity.

 

[JimmyBC]

Who's our senior assistant then? Bassett?

Alfie

 

[tribey]

I feel like anyone capable of owning and learning from their mistakes would have done better than Ken given the same time and opportunity.

His only genuine reliable strength from an onfield perspective — the odd high-profile blip in 15/16 aside — is racking up wins over lowly teams. That’s it.

Give pretty much any other coach who has lasted any length of time in a senior position the same talent, and I can’t see how they’d do any worse.

 

[TeeKray]

The mythology that’s sprung up around Hinkley, Koch and Thomas as miracle workers or saviours who had/have earned the right to do as they please and ‘see it through regardless’, is probably the most galling aspect of the past 6-7 years of disappointment since the hot start of 2013/14.

One Club (Fiacchi/Ginever) was locked away before the trio arrived.

The Adelaide Oval redevelopment and relocation was locked away before the trio arrived — even Round 23 against Melbourne being moved from Football Park was locked away before Haysman fell on his sword.

The $9,000,000 AFL/SANFL rescue package was locked away before the trio arrived.

And all the while the previous board is getting the sh¡t kicked out of them by the SANFL and local media, while Primus is trying to oversee a grass roots rebuild on a literal shoestring — two of his coaches famously included a 26yo IT guy who’d never laced a boot, and FIFO Dean Laidley conducting sessions via Skype.

Ken parachutes into a full coaches box including Alan Richardson and Darren Burgess, with the likes of Boak, Gray, Wingard, Wines, Ebert, Hartlett, Jonas, Westhoff, Trengove, Broadbent, Hombsch, Lobbe and Pittard in the 18-25 age range.

Oh the hardship of it all! However did he cope?

Please say you’ll stay forever, Daddy!

You obviously don't remember 2012.

 

[PAFC66]

Alfie

Noice

 

[PowerBaz]

This is only a hunch of mine, but given what C4 has posted here about the clubs high opinion of him, I personally wouldn't be surprised if the club is gearing up to bring Alan Richardson back for the senior coaching role.

Not sure about that - I think it's Clarko or within

• Clarko offers something different/exciting and proven past success (if we could get him and were even able to afford it).

• From within would see stability of current structure with a new voice / safe.

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

Is Ken's longest tenured coach without a GF thing only been mentioned on bigfooty?

Has been in the media at all?

 

[El_Scorcho]

Is Ken's longest tenured coach without a GF thing only been mentioned on bigfooty?

Has been in the media at all?

I'd hope they're waiting for the record to be imminent or actually broken, but I'll be shocked if nobody picks up on it.

The current record for most games at a coached at a single club without a GF is held by Bill Stephen who coached Fitzroy in 3 separate stints (including 1 as player coach) for a total of 212 games with no Grand Final. He also coached Essendon for 44 games, and holds the overall record of games coached without a GF as well.

Brad Scott holds the record in 1 stint at a club with 211 games for North.

Ken has coached us for 202 games. He holds the record in round 11 if he's still here.

What an absolutely shocking record to have associated with your club. Passing Fitzroy and modern shoestring budget North Melbourne for that indignity.

 

[El_Scorcho]

I don't think he has been better than Primus, at least not definitively so. Matty gets dragged through the mud by a lot of people, but the selection decisions he made arguably set the club up. He was working on a shoestring budget and given the boot after just 2 years. Like a lot of coaches, we will never know how successful he could have been if he had been given 9 years in the role with the resources, list and support staff Ken has had.

I'm not really sure what you could argue that Hinkley does better than Primus. It took Hinkley 7 full seasons to figure out that key forwards are important.

Sure the players all "love Kenny" but that is obviously a liability, not a benefit at this stage.

 

[dirty2]

If we end up sacking Hinkley then hired Bassett I think that would be the end of me...

 

[finbarr]

If we end up sacking Hinkley then hired Bassett I think that would be the end of me...

It would be the ultimate admission that Port Adelaide is not and aspirational club, but instead just happy to pay the bills and make up the numbers.

 

[Tredz]

It's all well and good to have a plan but if you don't do anything to achieve it then it's probably not gonna work. I can have a strategic vision to boink Elizabeth Olsen and Aubrey Plaza at the same time, but if I sit at home holding my knob they probably aren't gonna turn up at my front door in their undies. The club is sitting at home holding their knobs and doing nothing except stick with the same tried and failed strategy.

 

[Memphis]

12 months to late IMHO.

Isn't this the same man who told us as supporters to back him at the beginning of the season? And criticizing supporters who wanted him gone.

Funny that.

 

[MrPlow]

In my view, Koch will only turn on Hinkley when Koch’s own position becomes in question. At that point Koch will not hesitate to throw Hinkley under the bus to save his own skin.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

As HG Nelson would say - Hinkley is too old, too slow, too stupid.

2014 was the year to shock the footy world and he was a few days shy of 48. He's 55 at the end of the month.

Since the comp went national, Jeans, Parkin, Sheedy, Malthouse Mathews all won premierships in their 50's. But won their first when they were in their 30's. Blight and Joyce won both their's in their 40's. Pagan won his first at 49 in his 4th season after 3 finals and 2 consecutive PF's. Walls was 37.

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