Opinion Sack Hinkley 6 - Kochblocked

[fpm84]

The more important question is - why are fans of other clubs calling for him to be sacked? I mean, other than for the easy likes that you all give them when they post here.

Many of us don’t just follow our own clubs but the sport in general. We recognise that at various times, Port Adelaide has had one of the most talented lists in the comp under Hinkley yet has failed to achieve even a single GF appearance.

It genuinely makes me sad that the likes of Boak and Gray are unlikely to ever play in a GF.

As for me personally, I’ve always had soft spots for Port and Sydney. I was at the 2014 prelim cheering passionately for Port. It seemed inevitable that day that you would win multiple flags with that list.

I thought 2021 was your chance. I actually tipped you to win the prelim by 50+. The Dogs were beaten up, they were playing in their third state in three weeks, they were missing Weightman and Keath and Bont was hobbled. It’s extremely unlikely that there will ever be another opportunity for a non-VIC team to play a VIC team in a GF away from Melbourne, and Port essentially didn’t show up. Geelong has had some awful finals failures in the last decade too but none when the circumstances were in our favour as much as that game. It was a coach killing performance if I’ve ever seen one.

It is abundantly clear to me as an outsider that Hinkley is generally a good motivator and developer. He would likely be able to take North Melbourne from a basket case to a competitive team within 2-3 years. But Port needs a coach who is competitive, ruthless, who demands success and who has tactical nous to take the next step and have the success that your list has warranted.

 

[PowerBaz]

Send off game for Ken? Carn he wouldn’t even want that.

If he comes to a mutual agreement with the club (if that happens) then he’s gone that week, as said ages ago it will be Leon Cameron

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style but don’t think there will be a chairing off for Kenny, he’d be busy having interviews.

 

[Us against the rest]

Many of us don’t just follow our own clubs but the sport in general. We recognise that at various times, Port Adelaide has had one of the most talented lists in the comp under Hinkley yet has failed to achieve even a single GF appearance.

It genuinely makes me sad that the likes of Boak and Gray are unlikely to ever play in a GF.

As for me personally, I’ve always had soft spots for Port and Sydney. I was at the 2014 prelim cheering passionately for Port. It seemed inevitable that day that you would win multiple flags with that list.

I thought 2021 was your chance. I actually tipped you to win the prelim by 50+. The Dogs were beaten up, they were playing in their third state in three weeks, they were missing Weightman and Keath and Bont was hobbled. It’s extremely unlikely that there will ever be another opportunity for a non-VIC team to play a VIC team in a GF away from Melbourne, and Port essentially didn’t show up. Geelong has had some awful finals failures in the last decade too but none when the circumstances were in our favour as much as that game. It was a coach killing performance if I’ve ever seen one.

It is abundantly clear to me as an outsider that Hinkley is generally a good motivator and developer. He would likely be able to take North Melbourne from a basket case to a competitive team within 2-3 years. But Port needs a coach who is competitive, ruthless, who demands success and who has tactical nous to take the next step and have the success that your list has warranted.

Excellent and accurate post.

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

Do have to wonder, since KT started we always spent money in making sure we had resources for the football department : assistants and fitness

Why did we stop this season? I hope it's not because we gave it to Shaun Burgoyne

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and his admin role

 

[RossFC]

Do have to wonder, since KT started we always spent money in making sure we had resources for the football department : assistants and fitness

Why did we stop this season? I hope it's not because we gave it to Shaun Burgoyne and his admin role

I'm hoping that it's because when a new coach comes in, he can get his own assistants and fitness staff. Rather than keep what we've got, which might not be what the new coach would want.

 

[Nelso]

If Hinkley is still the coach next year, we need to attend the AGM in huge numbers and take control of our club back.

 

[fergulator72]

Ken sacked yet

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[MrMeaner]

I take the silence from the club as a bad sign, not a good one. It's like the lack of engagement after last years prelim. They are going to stay the course because you always chase your bad bets, right?

 

[bow and arrow]

That's as close to GF week build up he will ever get, Donuts Hinkley departure week.

And I have a terrible feeling that we'll lose that game and be humiliated once again.

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[Willsy10]

Just imagine the icy atmosphere at this year's B&F if Ken is still coach. No doubt his speech would be full of more empty promises for next year, as well as numerous excuses about why this year didn't go to plan. I certainly wouldn't waste my money by attending.

ROZE ROZE ROZE ROZE!


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[Lightning_Rod]

I take the silence from the club as a bad sign, not a good one. It's like the lack of engagement after last years prelim. They are going to stay the course because you always chase your bad bets, right?

I'm in the opposite camp, hearing Koch arrogantly back things in gives me cold chills because we full well know he is too pig headed to go back on his word.

Tell you what though ken's sen cheer leaders are sounding just a little differently this morning, maybe the tide is turning.

 

[TeeKray]

It genuinely makes me sad that the likes of Boak and Gray are unlikely to ever play in a GF.

Boak has played in a grand final but we don't normally talk about that one.

Otherwise excellent post.

 

[Winganeen]

"Every football club has great passion in it but there's a line."

This line really annoyed me.

Had he said "Port Adelaide is an old and proud club with the maybe the most passionate supporters in the game but there's a line" It would have been more palatable.

But this "I've been around footy a long time", "Its a tough competition" and constant praise of opposition really irks me. He may not know it but his rhetoric belittles Port Adelaide and doesn't speak to the successful history of the club. 10 years in, he still doesn't seem to get it.

 

[Janus]

Many of us don’t just follow our own clubs but the sport in general. We recognise that at various times, Port Adelaide has had one of the most talented lists in the comp under Hinkley yet has failed to achieve even a single GF appearance.

History is littered with teams that are more talented that fail to achieve any sort of success. I remember when GWS and Gold Coast were first admitted to the competition that the consensus on BigFooty was that they would raffle ten premierships between them between 2016-2026. The coach has an impact but at the end of the day, it's the players who have to want it. They are the ones who have to put their head over the ball.

It genuinely makes me sad that the likes of Boak and Gray are unlikely to ever play in a GF.

As for me personally, I’ve always had soft spots for Port and Sydney. I was at the 2014 prelim cheering passionately for Port. It seemed inevitable that day that you would win multiple flags with that list.

Hmmm. That list included Cameron Hitchcock, John Butcher, Campbell Heath, Lewis Stevenson, Mason Shaw, Sam Colquhoun, Jarrad Redden, Mitch Harvey, Tom Logan and Ben Newton.

Even our best 22 for that match included Kane Cornes (retired at the start of 2015 after playing 300 games), Jay Schulz (injured for most of 2016 and retired), Alipate Carlile (injured for most of 2016 and retired), Cam O'Shea (delisted in 2016), Matthew White (injured for most of 2016, retired at the end of 2017), Andrew Moore (delisted at the end of 2015), Jackson Trengove (FA to Bulldogs at the end of 2017), Jarman Impey (traded to Hawthorn at the end of 2017), Matthew Lobbe (injured for most of 2016, traded to Carlton at the end of 2017), Angus Monfries (missed all of 2016 thanks to Essendon's bullshit, retired at the end of 2017) and Jake Neade (who everyone on this board calls a spud).

How many teams do you know of that can lose half of their best 22 that made a prelim within the space of three years and expect to win one flag, let alone multiple flags?

I thought 2021 was your chance. I actually tipped you to win the prelim by 50+. The Dogs were beaten up, they were playing in their third state in three weeks, they were missing Weightman and Keath and Bont was hobbled. It’s extremely unlikely that there will ever be another opportunity for a non-VIC team to play a VIC team in a GF away from Melbourne, and Port essentially didn’t show up. Geelong has had some awful finals failures in the last decade too but none when the circumstances were in our favour as much as that game. It was a coach killing performance if I’ve ever seen one.

I don't want any favours. No asterisk flags.

As for the Dogs - we lost the contested possession count by -30 that game - 166 to 136. It's a meme on this board, but we just didn't work hard enough. No disrespect, but playing Geelong in the prelim where we won the contested possession 136 to 128 and dominated the game was probably the worse thing that could have happened to that team. They went up a level for the prelim, we didn't.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

If Hinkley is still the coach next year, we need to attend the AGM in huge numbers and take control of our club back.

Our vote at the AGM doesn't count.

We aren't members.

 

[PowerLil]

Many of us don’t just follow our own clubs but the sport in general. We recognise that at various times, Port Adelaide has had one of the most talented lists in the comp under Hinkley yet has failed to achieve even a single GF appearance.

It genuinely makes me sad that the likes of Boak and Gray are unlikely to ever play in a GF.

As for me personally, I’ve always had soft spots for Port and Sydney. I was at the 2014 prelim cheering passionately for Port. It seemed inevitable that day that you would win multiple flags with that list.

I thought 2021 was your chance. I actually tipped you to win the prelim by 50+. The Dogs were beaten up, they were playing in their third state in three weeks, they were missing Weightman and Keath and Bont was hobbled. It’s extremely unlikely that there will ever be another opportunity for a non-VIC team to play a VIC team in a GF away from Melbourne, and Port essentially didn’t show up. Geelong has had some awful finals failures in the last decade too but none when the circumstances were in our favour as much as that game. It was a coach killing performance if I’ve ever seen one.

It is abundantly clear to me as an outsider that Hinkley is generally a good motivator and developer. He would likely be able to take North Melbourne from a basket case to a competitive team within 2-3 years. But Port needs a coach who is competitive, ruthless, who demands success and who has tactical nous to take the next step and have the success that your list has warranted.

Are you busy next year?

 

[AFC AFeederClub]

History is littered with teams that are more talented that fail to achieve any sort of success. I remember when GWS and Gold Coast were first admitted to the competition that the consensus on BigFooty was that they would raffle ten premierships between them between 2016-2026. The coach has an impact but at the end of the day, it's the players who have to want it. They are the ones who have to put their head over the ball.


Hmmm. That list included Cameron Hitchcock, John Butcher, Campbell Heath, Lewis Stevenson, Mason Shaw, Sam Colquhoun, Jarrad Redden, Mitch Harvey, Tom Logan and Ben Newton.

Even our best 22 for that match included Kane Cornes (retired at the start of 2015 after playing 300 games), Jay Schulz (injured for most of 2016 and retired), Alipate Carlile (injured for most of 2016 and retired), Cam O'Shea (delisted in 2016), Matthew White (injured for most of 2016, retired at the end of 2017), Andrew Moore (delisted at the end of 2015), Jackson Trengove (FA to Bulldogs at the end of 2017), Jarman Impey (traded to Hawthorn at the end of 2017), Matthew Lobbe (injured for most of 2016, traded to Carlton at the end of 2017), Angus Monfries (missed all of 2016 thanks to Essendon's bullshit, retired at the end of 2017) and Jake Neade (who everyone on this board calls a spud).

How many teams do you know of that can lose half of their best 22 that made a prelim within the space of three years and expect to win one flag, let alone multiple flags?


I don't want any favours. No asterisk flags.

As for the Dogs - we lost the contested possession count by -30 that game - 166 to 136. It's a meme on this board, but we just didn't work hard enough. No disrespect, but playing Geelong in the prelim where we won the contested possession 136 to 128 and dominated the game was probably the worse thing that could have happened to that team. They went up a level for the prelim, we didn't.

thats why its hinkleys fault, he nurtured a mentallity of softness throughout the week by allowing the team to buy into the hype that the grand final was a forgone conclusion and added to it by saying publicly how good the prep was and everything is perfect. And then you wonder why the team is trying to play like movie stars and were shocked at the audacity of the bulldogs to even try to ruin the script. This moment is the pinnacle of Kens coaching and anyone who had been actually watching the previous 9 years werent surprised one bit.

 

[PowerLil]

"Every football club has great passion in it but there's a line."

This line really annoyed me.

Had he said "Port Adelaide is an old and proud club with the maybe the most passionate supporters in the game but there's a line" It would have been more palatable.

But this "I've been around footy a long time", "Its a tough competition" and constant praise of opposition really irks me. He may not know it but his rhetoric belittles Port Adelaide and doesn't speak to the successful history of the club. 10 years in, he still doesn't seem to get it.

Is there a line you haven't crossed Donuts? How about your "well he's not exactly shooting the lights out" when referring to Duursma in his first year or signalling out Hayes as not good enough? Why are you immune to criticism?

 

[Arsene Wenger]

Someone needs to get into the member guard of honour this week and wear a sack Hinkley t shirt


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[EskimoPAFC]

thats why its hinkleys fault, he nurtured a mentallity of softness throughout the week by allowing the team to buy into the hype that the grand final was a forgone conclusion and added to it by saying publicly how good the prep was and everything is perfect. And then you wonder why the team is trying to play like movie stars and were shocked at the audacity of the bulldogs to even try to ruin the script. This moment is the pinnacle of Kens coaching and anyone who had been actually watching the previous 9 years werent surprised one bit.

Bingo - absolutely shit preparation, so bad the players were already talking about the Melbourne Grand Final openly as if they thought the prelim was a done deal.

Its why Ken went so quiet afterwards, because he knew how badly he had ****ed up that preparation and knew that there was no scapegoat he could pass the blame to. Our players who had beaten the Dogs a few weeks earlier in a high stakes game underperformed across the entire ground.

 

[AFC AFeederClub]

thats why its hinkleys fault, he nurtured a mentallity of softness throughout the week by allowing the team to buy into the hype that the grand final was a forgone conclusion and added to it by saying publicly how good the prep was and everything is perfect. And then you wonder why the team is trying to play like movie stars and were shocked at the audacity of the bulldogs to even try to ruin the script. This moment is the pinnacle of Kens coaching and anyone who had been actually watching the previous 9 years werent surprised one bit.

and the worse thing about it is the bulldogs were genuinely banged up and one 1 leg as the grand final showed with the demons just steam rolling them in the 2nd half. The bulldogs lost is worse than 119 in many respects because the 119 was a result of really attacking coaching by choco as well the team giving up in the 2nd half but Geelong were in full Dank mode. We lost to the bulldog though a entilement in the club and players that its was our right to be in the grand final through a mentality of softness nurtured by Ken in the previous 9 years. His coaching philosophy has always to be soft on the players because they perform better in a positive mindset, he doesnt get it that you have to be both. And thats why he's always been protected by the leadership group.

 

[AFC AFeederClub]

Bingo - absolutely s**t preparation, so bad the players were already talking about the Melbourne Grand Final openly as if they thought the prelim was a done deal.

Its why Ken went so quiet afterwards, because he knew how badly he had *ed up that preparation and knew that there was no scapegoat he could pass the blame to. Our players who had beaten the Dogs a few weeks earlier in a high stakes game underperformed across the entire ground.

charlie's IQ in that game was off the charts as well

 

[MrPlow]

Koch has gone quiet apart from his news spot & he hasn't really talked about Ken specifically for awhile it's more the coaching group generally.

Probably nothing but..

Part of me thinks (hopes) the club is remaining tight lipped publicly because behind closed doors they’re planning to offload Hinkley to North.

But it is more likely the club is silent on Hinkley to avoid conflict the same way they were silent after the prelim.

 

[MrPlow]

Boak has played in a grand final but we don't normally talk about that one.

Otherwise excellent post.

In Boak’s 16 seasons the closest he’s ever been to a premiership is 2007.

Think about that.

 

[King_Tredrea]

Many of us don’t just follow our own clubs but the sport in general. We recognise that at various times, Port Adelaide has had one of the most talented lists in the comp under Hinkley yet has failed to achieve even a single GF appearance.

It genuinely makes me sad that the likes of Boak and Gray are unlikely to ever play in a GF.

As for me personally, I’ve always had soft spots for Port and Sydney. I was at the 2014 prelim cheering passionately for Port. It seemed inevitable that day that you would win multiple flags with that list.

I thought 2021 was your chance. I actually tipped you to win the prelim by 50+. The Dogs were beaten up, they were playing in their third state in three weeks, they were missing Weightman and Keath and Bont was hobbled. It’s extremely unlikely that there will ever be another opportunity for a non-VIC team to play a VIC team in a GF away from Melbourne, and Port essentially didn’t show up. Geelong has had some awful finals failures in the last decade too but none when the circumstances were in our favour as much as that game. It was a coach killing performance if I’ve ever seen one.

It is abundantly clear to me as an outsider that Hinkley is generally a good motivator and developer. He would likely be able to take North Melbourne from a basket case to a competitive team within 2-3 years. But Port needs a coach who is competitive, ruthless, who demands success and who has tactical nous to take the next step and have the success that your list has warranted.

Sanity and common sense prevails with this post