Opinion Sack Hinkley 8 - "Ask me in August"

[Enviable Tradition]

I think you think you're posting original thoughts in here.

You're just posting the same nonsense pushed by paid off or biased media talking heads and bought in to by people with zero understanding of the club or history. Id bet an ai could make the exact same posts if we fed it a learning model based on Kane Cornes speeches. Its not challenging, or worth arguing with. Its just boring.

Yeah if you want the answers just scroll up

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[TazD]

 

[JimmyBC]

ken ken he's our men if he can't do it no one ken

 

[malcheski]

Yep, and probably told them roughly the same as two weeks before when they executed brilliantly.

Why do you want to hold him solely responsible for that game? Boak, Byrne-Jones, Gray, Dixon, Wines, Jonas. Nobody is mentioning these names who were your leaders out there.

Maybe because 3 weeks earlier we beat the same side on their home deck. Willem Drew started and did a number on Libba but ol' Donuts was like, nah too easy.....lets not pay any attention to their prime movers and hope it works out.

15 minutes later the game is over, but that bloody rev-up speech pre-game?.....chills.

 

[Lagooner]

Yep, and probably told them roughly the same as two weeks before when they executed brilliantly.

Why do you want to hold him solely responsible for that game? Boak, Byrne-Jones, Gray, Dixon, Wines, Jonas. Nobody is mentioning these names who were your leaders out there.

Solely responsible? Lol I’d settle for tangentially responsible at this point. At least it would be a level above our zero accountability hide him for five months and don’t mention the war response to that game.

 

[zorbacles]

To people like this he is simply responsible for every win and not responsible for any losses.

the problem now is that we have won 8 in a row, but the people that are blaming him for the losses arent giving him any credit for the wins. they are putting it all on Carr and the midfield.

people cant have it both ways.

 

[bomberclifford]

Yep, and probably told them roughly the same as two weeks before when they executed brilliantly.

Players execute brilliantly = Ken's pre game speech.
Players execute pathetically = Definitely Not Ken's pre game speech.

Probably.

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

Janus confirmed.

Supportery hardery for longery

 

[Duck Farmer]

Was over before the coach could say a word to the players.

I also agree that starting Drew on the bench and letting Liberatore run around like an unregistered dog was a completely boneheaded coaching move.

 

[naysayer]

Maybe because 3 weeks earlier we beat the same side on their home deck. Willem Drew started and did a number on Libba but ol' Donuts was like, nah too easy.....lets not pay any attention to their prime movers and hope it works out.

15 minutes later the game is over, but that bloody rev-up speech pre-game?.....chills.

Libba wasn't the difference. It was boys vs men out there. If Drew's tag was so important then it would have changed the game when it came. Didn't stop Rozee fumbling like it was his first day at Auskick.

 

[TeeKray]

If only the Bulldogs game were an isolated event rather than the climax in a series of meltdowns in critical home games and the third consecutive finals series we had been eliminated on our own home turf.

 

[naysayer]

Players execute brilliantly = Ken's pre game speech.
Players execute pathetically = Definitely Not Ken's pre game speech.

Probably.

If you examine the reasoning here, you'll see that you're agreeing with me. The pre-game speech is irrelevant - unless it was somehow radically different.

 

[PowerLil]

the problem now is that we have won 8 in a row, but the people that are blaming him for the losses arent giving him any credit for the wins. they are putting it all on Carr and the midfield.

people cant have it both ways.

What credit exactly would you like us to give. The change and 8 wins came post showdown when he was taken out of the coaches' box. He now has pom poms and gives daddy hugs and generally makes a fool of himself. After 10 years of form, it's pretty hard to think otherwise.

 

[naysayer]

If only the Bulldogs game were an isolated event rather than the climax in a series of meltdowns in critical home games and the third consecutive finals series we had been eliminated on our own home turf.

Meltdowns meaning narrow losses by a kick to the eventual premiers? Or narrow losses by the margin of a single free kick? Followed by a totally uncompetitive effort against inferior opposition? Ah yes I see the trend.

 

[Del165198]

Meltdowns meaning narrow losses by a kick to the eventual premiers? Or narrow losses by the margin of a single free kick? Followed by a totally uncompetitive effort against inferior opposition? Ah yes I see the trend.

Just wondering where you were the past 8 years of being mostly ordinary with occasional periods of flat track bully?
Odd timing to pop up now that ken is on the equal biggest streak of his life. Of course it's easy to deflect criticism on an 8 game win streak. We're looking at the context of over a decade here.

If Stinkley wins the flag this year, that's about par. We have the current best performing player in the comp. We have the guy who arguably was the best player in the comp for the second half of last season. And a Brownlow medallist, all in the middle. Plus we added a number 1 draft pick. Say what you want about deficiencies at other ends of the ground, but Stinkley himself said this was the best list he's had.

Other than Collingwood, no other teams look outstanding. It's flag or bust. Even if he wins it should be time to move on.

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

The fact that the only significant change Hinkley has made to his coaching came when he received a mild amount of criticism from our greatest player in our AFL history in a contract year and not when we capitulated from the bounce of a preliminary final says everything you need to know about Hinkley.

 

[Rendaw]

 

[naysayer]

If Stinkley wins the flag this year, that's about par. We have the current best performing player in the comp. We have the guy who arguably was the best player in the comp for the second half of last season. And a Brownlow medallist, all in the middle. Plus we added a number 1 draft pick. Say what you want about deficiencies at other ends of the ground, but Stinkley himself said this was the best list he's had.

Other than Collingwood, no other teams look outstanding. It's flag or bust. Even if he wins it should be time to move on.

Stinkley, that's funny. I'm not going to tell you what I was doing 8 years ago, because judging by that remark, you weren't born yet.

If Hinkley wins a flag it will be a reward for hard work and good coaching, if he doesn't, it will mean all the hard work and good coaching goes unrewarded.

 

[John the Butcher]

Stinkley, that's funny. I'm not going to tell you what I was doing 8 years ago, because judging by that remark, you weren't born yet.

If Hinkley wins a flag it will be a reward for hard work and good coaching, if he doesn't, it will mean all the hard work and good coaching goes unrewarded.

 

[Duck Farmer]

This guy is definitely Janus.

 

[El_Scorcho]

especially when it's one as out-of-the-box as the 2021 prelim.

It's hilarious that you think the 2021 prelim is an out of the box incident. Ken Hinkley teams shit the bed at key moments and have for his entire tenure.

 

[El_Scorcho]

This guy is definitely Janus.

Janus very specifically doesn't call Ken a good coach, basically ever. He talks in a lot of detail about different metrics and how we're doing at them and why doing well at certain metrics will make us successful. But i'm not sure he's made a direct argument that Ken is a good coach in many years now. His posting is generally in defence of Hinkley but it's basically Hinkley agnostic in it's content. Like the head coach doesn't matter and is the least important factor in winning a flag.

This guy is the other end of the Hinkley support spectrum, where he's just arguing that Hinkley has already been successful with the shallowest depth of knowledge imaginable.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Meltdowns meaning narrow losses by a kick to the eventual premiers? Or narrow losses by the margin of a single free kick? Followed by a totally uncompetitive effort against inferior opposition? Ah yes I see the trend.

In 2017 we'd beaten the eagles by 5+ goals in our previous match against them in Perth. We finished 5th and they finished 8th. We shit the bed.

In 2018 we started the season 11-4 and then missed the 8. Shit the bed again.

In 2019 we needed to win the last round against the 12th placed Kangaroos to make the 8. We lost by 86 points to finish 10th. That's a particularly egregious bedshitting

In the 2020 prelim we got absolutely smashed in the centre clearances meaning we had to attempt every score launch from our backlines against the best defence in the league, not being able to take advantage of the 6-6-6 rule. During the season we beat them comfortably and won the centre clearances 20-5. In the PF we lost the centre clearances 4-11. The midfield shit the bed.

In the 2021 prelim we shit the bed so hard we had to call the council for a hard rubbish collection.

In 2022 we rebounded from that prelim disaster by losing the first 5 games and putting ourselves immediately out of contention for the finals. This could be considered an extension of the prelim bedshit I guess, but it's a bedshitting none the less.

In 2023 we appear to be flying prior to the midpoint of the season. Wonder how it'll end up.

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

It's hilarious that you think the 2021 prelim is an out of the box incident. Ken Hinkley teams s**t the bed at key moments and have for his entire tenure.

We had a long way to go in the Russell Ebert memorial game to be like the rebuild-bound Hawforn footy club.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

Judging the coach on your ladder finishes and overall performance is fair. Judging the coach on the outcomes of individual matches is not fair - especially when it's one as out-of-the-box as the 2021 prelim. Coaches look at trends. Basic skill errors were not a trend of PA 2020-2021.

It wasn't an out of the box performance for a Ken Hinkley coached side. In fact, it was yet another pathetic capitulation to the Dogs at Adelaide Oval. The second one that year in fact.

Everything that went right against the Dogs just a few weeks earlier was forgotten.

We look at trends too. 10 years of bottling it when expectation is on. Bottled it in 2013 against Geelond, bottled it giving up a top 4 spot in the second half of the year in 2014. Utter failure throughout 2017 when playing against any top 8 side, missed finals in 2018 from 11-4 (first coach ever to do that), results fell out way to get into the top 8 in 2019, playing against a North side that kicked 1 goal the previous week, lost by 10 goals.

And then there's Ken's playing career. Go back and watch Geelong bottle it all through te 90s.