Salary Cap FOR 2020

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Just having a conversation with a mate who's a fellow Dockers supporter and we were entertaining the thought of landing a big fish or two in 2020. He seems to think that we wouldn't have a war chest at all, however after looking at how more successful clubs have been able to lure and manage their caps - it'd be interesting to see/hear opinions on if we could say obtain a Coniglio and Kelly at the end of the season next year?

I'd say it's Fyfe then daylight between the next highest pay player?

 

[go_the_dockers]

Just having a conversation with a mate who's a fellow Dockers supporter and we were entertaining the thought of landing a big fish or two in 2020. He seems to think that we wouldn't have a war chest at all, however after looking at how more successful clubs have been able to lure and manage their caps - it'd be interesting to see/hear opinions on if we could say obtain a Coniglio and Kelly at the end of the season next year?

I'd say it's Fyfe then daylight between the next highest pay player?

Fyfe 1 million
Hogan 800k

Lobb, Walters, S Hill, Mundy, B Hill - 500-600k
Wilson, Ryan, Hamling , Cerra, Brayshaw, Sandi -300-400k
Langdon??
Cam McCarthy - 500k probably

We should have enough to offer Coniglio 1 million, and then chase Martin plus 1 more depth player I would think. I would imagine, we would be front loading a lot of contracts

 

[sumavich]

Don't think cam is on $500k

 

[PavLike]

Seeing as the 'Average AFL Players' Salary is 371k a year - Brayshaw and Cerra on 371k in their second year? Not to sure about that one. I don't think Coniglio is worth a Million. If you have a look at his season average stats - Angus Brayshaw is a more superior player and spends about 10% less time on the ground.

I'm just curious how teams can afford X amount of superstars yet the idea of us luring two big guns back home doesn't seem like a possibility.

 

[longsuffreosupp]

Reckon Mundy and Sandi are still on pretty good money. Probably B Hill, Wilson and Lobb too since they came from salary cap dump clubs.

 

[UYD 4 Life]

I think there is a fair chance hogan is on considerably less. I think the clubs view at the time was they couldn't afford a big contract and a big trade price for hogan considering his risks off-field and with the navicular and told jesse he would need to accept less money on less years or they were walking away.

 

[Unique Name]

Lobb is on $700k.

 

[UYD 4 Life]

Reckon Mundy and Sandi are still on pretty good money. Probably B Hill, Wilson and Lobb too since they came from salary cap dump clubs.

Mundy and sandi are on 1 year contracts which i doubt are huge especially sandi.

Fyfe,Walters, Hogan and lobb probably 4 that would be 600k+

 

[UYD 4 Life]

Seeing as the 'Average AFL Players' Salary is 371k a year - Brayshaw and Cerra on 371k in their second year? Not to sure about that one. I don't think Coniglio is worth a Million. If you have a look at his season average stats - Angus Brayshaw is a more superior player and spends about 10% less time on the ground.

I'm just curious how teams can afford X amount of superstars yet the idea of us luring two big guns back home doesn't seem like a possibility.

Don't think Brayshaw or Cerra can be paid anymore than the standard draftee contract until next year

 

[Taylor]

Don't think Brayshaw or Cerra can be paid anymore than the standard draftee contract until next year

Next year is when their salary would matter to a free agent target at the end of this season

 

[drEDD88]

Don't think Brayshaw or Cerra can be paid anymore than the standard draftee contract until next year

Cal Twomey was saying on his podcast that they renegotiate their pay deal when they do the contract extension. It’s a main way interstate clubs get to keep their top picks. He says top 10-15 draft picks who extend would be on 400k

 

[drEDD88]

In regards to the original point. We definitely have a lot to spend. I would imagine that fyfe, Walters, and Hogan’s contracts are heavily front loaded.

Also, Coniglio is definitely worth $1m

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

Conca was a free agent. He may be getting slightly more than market value. That could push him up our list of top earners.

To come back to the original point though. Surely whatever Sandi, Kersten, and Bennell are on will be free at the end of the year. Unfortunately, Mundy might not be too far behind. There would be $1 million plus in those four names.

Also we offered Kelly a deal last year and the only new non-draft name since that offer is Colyer, who couldn't be on that much.

So you would have to think we could afford both Cogniglio and Kelly if they wanted to come to us -- even if it meant some juggling of other contracts.

 

[Taylor]

Cal Twomey was saying on his podcast that they renegotiate their pay deal when they do the contract extension. It’s a main way interstate clubs get to keep their top picks. He says top 10-15 draft picks who extend would be on 400k

Someone misunderstood the very clear rules in the AFLPA agreement that states that a first or second year player can only earn the standard pay for a player taken at their draft pick.

Not a cent more in the first two years. Year three and four can be anything but year one and two are fixed.

 

[Joao]

IMO this thread is pointless, like all salary cap threads as we really have NFI how it is structured.

 

[basashi]

Someone misunderstood the very clear rules in the AFLPA agreement that states that a first or second year player can only earn the standard pay for a player taken at their draft pick.

Not a cent more in the first two years. Year three and four can be anything but year one and two are fixed.

I didn't believe that ... but the Minimum terms and conditions addendum to the CBA in part 3.e actually does prohibit paying more unless under certain narrow circumstances.

HOWEVER - It leaves open an avenue to apply to an independent arbiter for the right to negotiate a high level of payment on the grounds that it unfairly limits the player right to ply their trade at a market rate. If a player clearly had a free market value in the 400s and the CBA limited him to 100ish then it would be tough to find that he should be bound by the upper limitations of the CBA.

So, have any players gone down that route? Is Twomey right? Or "roight" as they say in Victoria?

 

[Taylor]

I didn't believe that ... but the Minimum terms and conditions addendum to the CBA in part 3.e actually does prohibit paying more unless under certain narrow circumstances.

HOWEVER - It leaves open an avenue to apply to an independent arbiter for the right to negotiate a high level of payment on the grounds that it unfairly limits the player right to ply their trade at a market rate. If a player clearly had a free market value in the 400s and the CBA limited him to 100ish then it would be tough to find that he should be bound by the upper limitations of the CBA.

So, have any players gone down that route? Is Twomey right? Or "roight" as they say in Victoria?

I think the test case for that would have been Tom Boyd who was traded after his first year, signing a big extension to bump him up to $1,000,000 a year. But he still only earned his $180,000 in year two.

You might also have a tough time arguing that there is a free market in the AFL for players in the first and second year as that contract is with the AFL itself and transfers to whichever club a player is traded to.

 

[basashi]

I think the test case for that would have been Tom Boyd who was traded after his first year, signing a big extension to bump him up to $1,000,000 a year. But he still only earned his $180,000 in year two.

You might also have a tough time arguing that there is a free market in the AFL for players in the first and second year as that contract is with the AFL itself and transfers to whichever club a player is traded to.

but you are not arguing that there IS a free market. You are arguing that you would get paid significantly differently if there WAS a free market.

it looks like a provision that was entered to defend against the kind of claims that killed any Rugby League draft. But has anyone used it.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

Fyfe 1 million
Hogan 800k

Lobb, Walters, S Hill, Mundy, B Hill - 500-600k
Wilson, Ryan, Hamling , Cerra, Brayshaw, Sandi -300-400k
Langdon??
Cam McCarthy - 500k probably

We should have enough to offer Coniglio 1 million, and then chase Martin plus 1 more depth player I would think. I would imagine, we would be front loading a lot of contracts

Cam is on more like 350k. His father mentioned it to my mates who play footy at my club. His father is an ex Melville Ram

 

[theGav56]

IMO this thread is pointless, like all salary cap threads as we really have NFI how it is structured.

Mate, you'll be a person of few words if you stop posting in pointless threads. Speculation is what we do!

 

[Taylor]

I worked out the average list profile somewhere, I'll see if I can find it but it essentially showed what percentage of each list was in which salary brackets which could help guide where people are situated.

 

[Joao]

Mate, you'll be a person of few words if you stop posting in pointless threads. Speculation is what we do!

Yeah but this is especially pointless. We have no detail at all and will never get any results to determine whether it is right or wrong.

At least with draft speculation or b22 threads there is some closure.

 

[eastfreo75]

We have been front loading contracts for years.

We offered big money for McGovern last year.

 

[theGav56]

We have been front loading contracts for years.

We offered big money for McGovern last year.

Yes clubs seem to have some flexibility in how they structure the cap. My main concern is about ensuring we have a medium term plan which factors in retention of the new guard. One big factor in our favour is that I think the returning WA players are not going to looking for alternative offers, or at least, rarely will.

 

[Bender571]

I worked out the average list profile somewhere, I'll see if I can find it but it essentially showed what percentage of each list was in which salary brackets which could help guide where people are situated.

Last year the average list roughly had;
1 player earning $900k+
1 player earning $800-900k
1 player earning $700-800k
3 players earning $600-700k
3 players earning $500-600k
5 players earning $400-500k
8 players earning $300-400k
7 players earning $200-300k
9 players earning $100-200k
1 player earning $60-100k

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-03-06/six-milliondollar-men-as-player-salaries-go-up-again