Scott Pendlebury - Standing in the game?

[WalshistheGOAT]

He was just pointing out you didn’t name a number #6 in your list and then put Pendles at #11 so in actual fact he would be a top 10 player for you, unless now you will just add another player to stir the pot?

Don’t think it’s really meant to be that sort of thread Walshy.

No, it was an honest mistake as I was tired while writing it. Was meant to be a top 10 list with Pendles being the last on it.

Scarlett, Betts, Buckley and Cox probably the next along for me.

 

[beerbandit]

No, it was an honest mistake as I was tired while writing it. Was meant to be a top 10 list with Pendles being the last on it.

Scarlett, Betts, Buckley and Cox probably the next along for me.

That’s all good, I don’t have a problem with your list, it is a great list. I don’t necessarily agree with it, but all those players are champions.

I think everyone has a “best” player they have seen and also a “favourite” player of there’s as well but when you start numbering players people start to sound like Mike Sheehan and it’s just subjective. Everyone has different ideas on who they thought was a better player, an example I can give is Chris Judd very rarely dominated Collingwood yet James Hird dominated Collingwood just about every time he played us and most would say Judd was better then Hird, but from my eyes and perspective I would say Hird was better. Does it mean I’m wrong? Probably. But it doesn’t really matter at the end of the day it’s just an opinion of what I’ve seen from Collingwood games as I don’t religiously watch other teams enough to really comment.

 

[Cleansweep17]

This is where most disagreements come, oddly it it is usually between Richmond supporters and everyone else.

One side says the number of elite seasons and being in the best players in the comp counts, the other says that only who played at the very highest level in their best couple of seasons counts.

There is surely some room for nuance at landing in the middle.

You’ll find most supporters “beliefs” happen to coincide with their clubs strengths and weaknesses. It’s pretty normal and subconsciously deliberate.

Collingwood/Geelong supporters value consistency, they often lose a lot of big finals but always around the mark. Love AA awards because their best players have been consistent. Some of their best players never won flags so premierships don’t really matter to them when comparing players.

Hawks/Richmond, strike when the iron is hot and drop really low when not contending. We don’t rate AA awards much as we won dynasties with role players nobody rates and relied to team systems rather than sheer talent. Both our clubs value finals highly because we have some of the best finals players to play the game. We are usually in the minority because of this and we both believe flags matter when comparing players.

 

[VinnieB]

Just a fantastic player and a real joy to watch him play. Not sure if one great game this year is 'turning back the clock', but he has runs on the board, so no reason why he wouldn't produce more games like that. Even if he has a mediocre season, he'd be first picked in their finals lineup, I reckon.

He has played more than 1 game this season.

With no Mitchell and JDG he resumed his midfield/clearance duties and was one of the best (coaches votes) the previous 2 games.

 

[FootyLad0]

we both believe flags matter when comparing players.

Flags are a team accomplishment

Some plebs can get dragged to flags. Does not make them better than guys who haven't won it.

Legacy > Premierships won when talking about individuals

 

[Cleansweep17]

Flags are a team accomplishment

Some plebs can get dragged to flags. Does not make them better than guys who haven't won it.

Legacy > Premierships won when talking about individuals

I’ve had Geelong/Collingwood people tell me NS is losing GFs are better than in winnings ones. Riddle me that.

 

[Fadge]

I’ve had Geelong/Collingwood people tell me NS is losing GFs are better than in winnings ones. Riddle me that.

OK Falcon.

 

[Madblue]

Carlton use list spots for the likes of the perennially injured Cunningham, Marchbank, Martin, etc., but Collingwood are wasting a list spot by carrying Pendlebury (without whom I reckon we'd be 4 wins, 6 losses as opposed to 6.5/3.5.

Wowee.

Who said anything about wasting a list spot ??

 

[Fadge]

Who said anything about wasting a list spot ??

Why should he have retired at the end of 2023, if he's still in the top handful of performers at Collingwood?

 

[BF Tiger]

Luckily we have you for such insightful observations (commenting on comments, rather than having actual opinions - that has always been your go to), and that you are definitely not blind to the inflammatory troll efforts of your peers. Ablett (either), Pendlebury, Carey, Franklin, Judd, Voss and dozens of others - none have been safe from the slinging of ridiculous insults by the posters I mentioned in an effort to elevate Martin. It is pathetic and has warranted every bit of pushback it has received.

As a reminder of my actual opinion, in case you want to comment on how you see it differently rather than making a lazy personal attack with no comment on footballing matters whatsoever:

I don't see a massive amount of difference between Pendlebury and Martin, they both have strength and weaknesses. Ultimately you would love to have both in the team. Pendles the conductor, orchestrating everything and then Dusty the destroyer as an ultra attacking mid who can rotate forward.

Pendles has consistency and more elite seasons, Dusty at his peak was more damaging and has a better peak 4 year block of finals.

I feel special. I get two replies to the once post.

Firstly, I didn't realise that BigFooty was only for having actual opinions. Maybe you could point me to the where that is stated in the T&Cs. I seemed to have missed it.

Anyway, if you had cared to go back a little bit I was agreeing with the poster who stated that "the problem I have is you don’t need to turn a thread about Pendles whom is a true champion of our game into a toilet thread" and I said look at Dusty threads for exhibit two, where you will find posters doing just that. And then someone with no self-awareness pipes up, seemingly in agreeance, but those who know know that said poster is also responsible for turning Dusty threads to the toilet.

But I do thank-you for recognising that I am aware of the "inflammatory troll efforts of my peers", although I hope you are using the term peer loosely. I assume you make that comment because on occasion I have called them out. Maybe you should try that with a few of your "peers". Or is it just easier to play along with the crowd? I expect you'll just carry on though.

 

[Madblue]

Why should he have retired at the end of 2023, if he's still in the top handful of performers at Collingwood?

Really ?

 

[Fadge]

Really ?

Start with how he played against your mob, and check out how he played on the weekend against Adelaide.

For a start....

 

[jakson68]

You’ll find most supporters “beliefs” happen to coincide with their clubs strengths and weaknesses. It’s pretty normal and subconsciously deliberate.

Collingwood/Geelong supporters value consistency, they often lose a lot of big finals but always around the mark. Love AA awards because their best players have been consistent. Some of their best players never won flags so premierships don’t really matter to them when comparing players.

Hawks/Richmond, strike when the iron is hot and drop really low when not contending. We don’t rate AA awards much as we won dynasties with role players nobody rates and relied to team systems rather than sheer talent. Both our clubs value finals highly because we have some of the best finals players to play the game. We are usually in the minority because of this and we both believe flags matter when comparing players.

So by both accounts Pendles must be appreciated.
Consistency - Has played to a very high level more nearly two decades.
Finals - Has two flags and a Norm Smith.

So even miserable Richmond nuffies can appreciate the great man.
By the way if Richmond strike when the iron is hot, your iron was broken for a verrrry long time.
Also I would consider getting another iron because your current one wont be heating up for many, many years.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

So by both accounts Pendles must be appreciated.
Consistency - Has played to a very high level more nearly two decades.
Finals - Has two flags and a Norm Smith.

So even miserable Richmond nuffies can appreciate the great man.
By the way if Richmond strike when the iron is hot, your iron was broken for a verrrry long time.
Also I would consider getting another iron because your current one wont be heating up for many, many years.

Iron gets hot every 35 years

Would love to see the AFL get broken up into 1st and 2nd Division one day, we shouldn't have to play minnows like Richmond every year

On SM-A225F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Madblue]

Start with how he played against your mob, and check out how he played on the weekend against Adelaide.

For a start....

Lets agree to disagree

 

[Fadge]

Lets agree to disagree

All I can say is that if Scott Pendlebury should have given it away at the end of 2023, so too should have 90% of Carlton's list.

 

[Madblue]

All I can say is that if Scott Pendlebury should have given it away at the end of 2023, so too should have 90% of Carlton's list.

Typical response... and expected

 

[Pancakes]

If Carlton fan really think Pendles should have given it away at the end of last season, then they should also be calling for Walsh to give it away ASAP.
Walsh has regressed shockingly, and now is streets behind Pendles on ability and match winning.

 

[Fadge]

Typical response... and expected

So go ahead and explain why you think he should have given it away at the end of 2023?

He's still comfortably one of the team's top handful of performers, his on field leadership is second to none in the entire competition, and his team is likely to be a premiership contender.

Go.

 

[Fadge]

If Carlton fan really think Pendles should have given it away at the end of last season, then they should also be calling for Walsh to give it away ASAP.
Walsh has regressed shockingly, and now is streets behind Pendles on ability and match winning.

Good call out.

I probably should have said 96% of Carlton's list (everyone bar Weitering and Curnow), but I was being generous.

 

[Cleansweep17]

So by both accounts Pendles must be appreciated.
Consistency - Has played to a very high level more nearly two decades.
Finals - Has two flags and a Norm Smith.

So even miserable Richmond nuffies can appreciate the great man.
By the way if Richmond strike when the iron is hot, your iron was broken for a verrrry long time.
Also I would consider getting another iron because your current one wont be heating up for many, many years.

He’s very good at both but not great. My belief anyway is that to be great you have to be the best in the comp at some point. Having a lot of consistent seasons doesn’t override that, but that’s just me and it’s not just me saying this, it’s a common view.

 

[jakson68]

He’s very good at both but not great. My belief anyway is that to be great you have to be the best in the comp at some point. Having a lot of consistent seasons doesn’t override that, but that’s just me and it’s not just me saying this, it’s a common view.

Yeah I suppose you can look at it from the POV as long-term brilliance Vs flash in the pan greatness.
Pendles = The Rolling Stones
Dusty = Flock of Seagulls, or Dexies Midnight Runners.

Again, its a common view

 

[Madblue]

If Carlton fan really think Pendles should have given it away at the end of last season, then they should also be calling for Walsh to give it away ASAP.
Walsh has regressed shockingly, and now is streets behind Pendles on ability and match winning.

Probably the most delusional post ive ever seen on BF. For somone to actually say and believe that is laughable to say the least

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

Been very good for a long time. Bucks rated him as the best at Collingwood of all time last night On the Couch. If Naicos has that longevity of performance will be a good discussion. Assume he will be inducted as a AFL legend when he eventually retires.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Been an elite player and performer his whole career. Not sure how anyone could say to much negative about him to be honest. A once in a generation type player that gets few injuries and is always a solid performer.