Scott Pendlebury - Standing in the game?
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Yep.
Finals had to be played on his terms, in his prime, in a weak era.
Otherwise, there wasn't much offered.
Anyway, this is a Scott Pendlebury thread, celebrating a true, durable champion of the game, who has performed across all ages, all conditions and all opposition.
That's pretty funny.
Same coaches who vote B & F's gave Dusty Richmond's highest coaches votes in 8 separate seasons. If he was playing for most other clubs that equates to 8 B& F's.
If you don't believe me, check how many times Scott P was the top coach vote poller for Collingwood....& how many Copelands he has won.
13 of 15 form Smith votes to Houli 10 is pretty clear I would have thought. Dusty was BOG with 4 judges, Houli 1.
Put it this way, it is a 50% bigger margin & 2 extra people rating him BOG than Scott's mulligan match NS Medal.
How many times was Pendlebury Collingwood's highest coaches vote getter of the season?
Hint: it was < Dusty's 8.
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So after all the over reaching to talk him up and compare him to Dusty.
It’s pretty clear all reasonably minded people think he is probably 9 or 10 in the top ten of the last 25 years.
It’s pretty clear all reasonably minded people think he is probably 9 or 10 in the top ten of the last 25 years.
Admits defeat. Cannot find a shred of objective evidence to support his ludicrous claim despite a desperate search.
Was the only possible result when you make the foolish claim Pendlebury's finals record is somehow near parity with Dusty's.
Only problem is he was a Richmond and he was behind guys like D.Jackon and Cotch who were the Tigers best mids in the early/mid 2010s.
And no BnF for Dusty in 18,19 or 20 either.
Hardly surprising as Dusty in 2018 and 2019, Dusty only managed to poll 11 more coaches votes than Pendles. This is Dusty in his prime compared to Pendles in his 30s.
In 2020 Pendles polled more coaches votes than Dusty!
That is how good Pendles was, as even a level below his best Pendles in 2018-19-20 was still at peak Dusty (outside of 2017) levels.
But yes, some people prefer to focus on single seasons instead of full body of work. And no doubt Dusty has the best single season, 2017.
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You can't call fadge out when you do extreme cherry picked/specific timeframe/blatantly made up 'stats' yourself.Yep, before the other 7.499 billion people on the planet bar Fadge claim Dusty has the best finals record of any player ever and Scott is not even mentioned ever in this conversation, here is Fadge from planet Fadge to present some incontrovertible evidence to show every person on planet earth is wrong and he is right.....
The incontrovertible evidence?
Fadge from Planet Fadge's own made up rankings of Dusty & Scott's individual finals performances.
I shit you not, I once actually went to the trouble of checking his ratings of their individual finals performances against the unbiased Champion Data ratings of those games and was utterly shocked to see Fadge had a 20% bias towards Pendlebury compared to CD ratings.
All-time Finals performers....
1 D Martin
Fighting our other top 10 places players like:
Barrassi, Bartlett, Matthews, Mueller and many other greats
then we get the Lachie Neales, D Jarmans, Billy Pickens of the world who seemed to produce their best around finals time
then we get 300 feet of shit
then we get the only forward or mid to play 30+ finals without kicking 10 goals(Dusty kicked 10 just in his 3 Grand Finals) Scott Pendlebury.
Fair dinkum Fadge you are delusional.
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Houli should of won it. I thought I had the $$$ in the bag, then comes the cheating campaigner judges to ruin my day.
Planet Doppleganger now.
Dusty & Pendlebury both played 2010-2024, 15 seasons in common. Of them the highest coaches vote polling player year by year was:
2010 SP Margin +37
2011 SP +31
2012 SP +67
2013 SP +38
2014 SP +27
2015 SP +6
2016 DM +22
2017 DM +74
2018 DM +15
2019 DM +17
2020 DM +27
2021 DM +25
2022 SP +22
2023 DM +16
2024 SP +9
So it was 8 v 7 Pendlebury's way. We can see Pendlebury had the 2 most marginal wins & Dusty had the biggest win. Of the years where both players were within the 23yo-31-yo window at the same time 2015-19, it was 4-1 to Martin.
Most fair mindd people I am pretty sure would say Pendlebury clearly has the better overall home & away record, Dusty clearly has the better finals record.
I am also pretty sure I know which of those areas clubs would like their players to excel in most, finals. And that is for the precise reason that Dusty's finals performance exemplifies - it means Premierships. It certainly did in Dusty's case.
You can't call fadge out when you do extreme cherry picked/specific timeframe/blatantly made up 'stats' yourself.
My stats are demostrably & objectively true.
Fadges are his opinion. Your opinion is not a convincing piece of evidence to support any assertion.
I don't create the evidence I produce, I just discover it.
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Coaches Votes: Houli 10 v Dusty 8
Smith Medal votes: Dusty 13 v Houli 10
Player Ratings; Dusty 30.9 v Houli 7.5
I think you were lucky Houli got so close Chronz, you should be comforted by that.
But don't worry, Dusty's constant finals dominations drove a lot of people to anger. I am pretty sure it was this very thing that reduced Fadge to the pisswreck he is today.
You show the stat I made up, I will show you my reliable objective source.
I do post these stats partially to inform, but also to needle people such as yourself Chronz. That gives me great pleasure.
We've all got varying preferences when it comes to rating players. I like midfielders that are hard at it and kick goals. I also like to judge a player by whether I want them running out for me in a grand final.
Longevity is one metric, but it's not super high on the agenda. But, of course, it's relative. If a player plays 250+ games I'm not marking them down because another player has over 400. But if they have less than 200 then sure, you'd take that into account. Most players have a window of 6-8 years when they're at their peak and that period is where I'll judge them the most. I'm not that interested in either side of their absolute best, as they become interchangeable with others.
Pendlebury has been a wonderful player and as good a draft pick as you'd get when you consider 20+ seasons, but I can't remember driving to a game and hoping Pendlebury doesn't destroy us today. When I think of the best I've seen they at least have to have been clearly in the conversation as best in the competition over a few years. For mids they're the dynamic goal-kickers who also rack it up. If you said to me you can have Voss for a season or Pendlebury it's not a question that bears any thought. And remember, when Voss played there were a lot less disposals compared to the last 15 years.
As for Martin or Pendlebury ? It's not a serious question. I'll take the goal-kicking mid who performs on our greatest stage.
Pendlebury is a bit like little Nicky. Nice to have, but you hardly quake in your boots.
Longevity is one metric, but it's not super high on the agenda. But, of course, it's relative. If a player plays 250+ games I'm not marking them down because another player has over 400. But if they have less than 200 then sure, you'd take that into account. Most players have a window of 6-8 years when they're at their peak and that period is where I'll judge them the most. I'm not that interested in either side of their absolute best, as they become interchangeable with others.
Pendlebury has been a wonderful player and as good a draft pick as you'd get when you consider 20+ seasons, but I can't remember driving to a game and hoping Pendlebury doesn't destroy us today. When I think of the best I've seen they at least have to have been clearly in the conversation as best in the competition over a few years. For mids they're the dynamic goal-kickers who also rack it up. If you said to me you can have Voss for a season or Pendlebury it's not a question that bears any thought. And remember, when Voss played there were a lot less disposals compared to the last 15 years.
As for Martin or Pendlebury ? It's not a serious question. I'll take the goal-kicking mid who performs on our greatest stage.
Pendlebury is a bit like little Nicky. Nice to have, but you hardly quake in your boots.
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I need an official AFL source that says Collingwood didn't win the Grand Final in 2010. I didn't get a reply back last time I requested it.You show the stat I made up, I will show you my reliable objective source.
I do post these stats partially to inform, but also to needle people such as yourself Chronz. That gives me great pleasure.
I need an official AFL source that says Collingwood didn't win the Grand Final in 2010. I didn't get a reply back last time I requested it.
From the AFL's own website, afl.com.au :
Finals Highlights: 2010 Grand Final, Collingwood v St Kilda
The Magpies take on the Saints in the drawn GF in front of a 100,016 crowd
www.afl.com.au
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That shows that a grand final was drawn. In the 2nd official grand final , Collingwood won the flag and secured our 15th premiership cup!From the AFL's own website, afl.com.au :
Finals Highlights: 2010 Grand Final, Collingwood v St Kilda
The Magpies take on the Saints in the drawn GF in front of a 100,016 crowd
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It shows Chronz that The 2010 Grand Final ended in a draw. You cannot get 2 The 2010 Grand Finals. So there wasn't another The 2010 Grand Final. The denotes one and only one. Any reference to the mulligan match as The 2010 Grand Final is therefore automatically wrong, as The 2010 Grand Final took place first it therefore takes precedence.
I am deeply sorry your team didn't win The 2010 Grand Final, but we must face facts, they did not win it. However, they did win the 2010 mulligan match and therefore are legitimate Premiers. If anybody ever denies that I am happy to set them straight for you.
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You cannot win a premiership if you did not win a grand final. Grand final also denotes a 'big end' to something. Could it be that the final game of the season is the true grand final? Please tell us all here today and in the future which team won the final game of the AFL 2010 premiership season? This may be a shocking revelation that shakes the very core of your perceived reality.It shows Chronz that The 2010 Grand Final ended in a draw. You cannot get 2 The 2010 Grand Finals. So there wasn't another The 2010 Grand Final. The denotes one and only one. Any reference to the mulligan match as The 2010 Grand Final is therefore automatically wrong, as The 2010 Grand Final took place first it therefore takes precedence.
I am deeply sorry your team didn't win The 2010 Grand Final, but we must face facts, they did not win it. However, they did win the 2010 mulligan match and therefore are legitimate Premiers. If anybody ever denies that I am happy to set them straight for you.
And Pendles played before and is still going...so even more seasons to Pendles.
What a champion.
They also never gave coaches votes for finals games until 2016, so your numbers are again not an apples v apples comparison.
Pendles had huge finals series in 2010, 2011 and 2012. 2012 (only year we have player ratings) he was 4th, 1st and 4th for player ratings in the 3 finals he played, so clearly getting votes.
So all three seasons the margin would be much bigger towards Pendles, as he obviously is getting coaches votes if winning a norm smith, and being top rated players on the ground.
Dusty had 3 meh finals in that period where he barely avg 10 in player ratings (obviously no extra votes for Dusty).
Instead of an apples v apples comparison, you are including Dusty finals votes his dominant period, but only comparing H&A back in 2010-12 when Pendles was dominant in finals.
Pendles would have brained him by 60 votes in 2010, 2011 and well into the 80s in 2012 if you added finals votes to H&A gap..like you have for Dusty..
So again, Pendles the more dominant.
What a moronic approach.
Yeah don't compare peak with peak, compare Dusty's peak with Pendles past his peak.
But Pendles still gets a season!
LOL
Yeah most people just stop at the GFs.
Pendles himself won a norm smith in 2010 and received votes in two other GFs (2011 and 2023).
Dusty played 16 finals, was great in 10 of them and meh to poor in the other 6.
Pendles was also the Pies best finals player in 2011 and 2012 (potential Gary Ayers medals if around).
Pendles played in 31 finals - avg 24 disposals, 5 clearances and 5 tackles
He played more great finals (17) than Dusty did.
2007 EF, SF
2010 QF, PF GF Replay
2011 QF, PF, GF
2012 QF, SF, PF
2019 QF
2022 QF, SF, PF
2023 PF, GF
Yep Dusty was bog ordinary in finals in 13,14,15 and 22 - Richmond flopped.
When Dusty played well he delivered flags, so deserves all praise he gets.
Pendles also won a norm in a flag, and received votes in 2023 when his last quarter won us the game. 2011 he was our best by a mile, but Geelong were too good. He had 3 MASSIVE GFs himself.
Pendles was also huge for us in finals in 2007 (as a 19 year old), 2011, 2012 and 2022 (as a 34 year old) where he helped Collingwood go deep in finals.
Dusty gets Pendles for a peak season, 2017, but outside of that it is Pendles.
