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Quoted 3 premierships too..
Can’t believe they’re counting an under 18 and reserves.
Extremely slow news day.
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Quoted 3 premierships too..
Can’t believe they’re counting an under 18 and reserves.
Extremely slow news day.
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It’s a struggle for them geographically. The MPNFL won’t have them. They seem reluctant to go metro because of netball.
At least a few of them will end up trying to go into West Gippsland I think. Pakenham and maybe Officer at least.
Some at Beacy see their future in West Gippsland as that is the growth corridor. Some believe that EFL is the way especially if Berwick go.
Only Berwick could go to EFL and be competitive in Premier with their Coterie Sponsors, but how long they can keep backing up the $$$$.
Only Berwick could go to EFL and be competitive in Premier with their Coterie Sponsors, but how long they can keep backing up the $$$$.
Berwick won't go to the EFL due to Netball. This issue for outer South East club has been going since 2001. The AFL VIC need to works something out the outer south east club. I think there need to be a review as I think there could be a league setup based Cranbourne, Narre Warren, Berwick, Pakenham and the clubs around there. The Merger of the West Gippsland to the Gippsland league was a decision pushed by Garfield club and the area been paying for it ever since
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This league does have the potential to work but atm the current the timing isn't great
Healsville olinda upwey are all 6-10 players worse off than last year
Woori and wandin are maybe 2-3
To loose that many in the Yarra valley is hard to replace
For sefnl you just go to the well.
Having 2-3 feeder clubs your bound to find a gem or 2 each year
All the valley teams reserves are shot each played in a prelim/granny in the last 2 years now virtually non existent
Lucky to have any 18s from the valley from what I heard around January
Now if clubs could wind the clock back a year or two, how would they compete?
Might sound ridiculous but possibly a point system where the current system doesn't reduce after years of service. Berwick for example were all 1 pointers on the weekend with a list that boast some serious talent. Olinda had 34 points compared to Berwick 22.
It would mean a considerable amount of players would miss out each week and probably move else where for senior opportunities.
Don't think many would be in favour
but just a thought
With talk of clubs wanting out of premier division maybe some compensation should be given to clubs that aren't throwing the towel in.
Sefnl clubs can either accept they have been kissed On the dick with a booming area and try bridge the gap
Or maybe move on to west gippsland/efl and try their luck their. If more local clubs pop up they won't be as strong in 5-10 years
This year is an experiment it may seem ridiculous but who knows
Where will your Club be in 5 years?
This league does have the potential to work but atm the current the timing isn't great
Healsville olinda upwey are all 6-10 players worse off than last year
Woori and wandin are maybe 2-3
To loose that many in the Yarra valley is hard to replace
For sefnl you just go to the well.
Having 2-3 feeder clubs your bound to find a gem or 2 each year
All the valley teams reserves are shot each played in a prelim/granny in the last 2 years now virtually non existent
Lucky to have any 18s from the valley from what I heard around January
Now if clubs could wind the clock back a year or two, how would they compete?
Might sound ridiculous but possibly a point system where the current system doesn't reduce after years of service. Berwick for example were all 1 pointers on the weekend with a list that boast some serious talent. Olinda had 34 points compared to Berwick 22.
It would mean a considerable amount of players would miss out each week and probably move else where for senior opportunities.
Don't think many would be in favour
but just a thought
With talk of clubs wanting out of premier division maybe some compensation should be given to clubs that aren't throwing the towel in.
Sefnl clubs can either accept they have been kissed On the dick with a booming area and try bridge the gap
Or maybe move on to west gippsland/efl and try their luck their. If more local clubs pop up they won't be as strong in 5-10 years
This year is an experiment it may seem ridiculous but who knows
Where will your Club be in 5 years?
Berwick will go regardless of Netball.
Spot the difference
Berwick Football Club
Narre Warren Football Netball Club
Cranbourne Football Netball Club
Beaconsfield Football Club
Berwick and Beacy have seperate entities for the Netball Club, the Football Club/s can decide to go where ever they want regardless of Netball.
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I’d be very interested to see if AFL Vic approved a move to the EFL.
Good luck to them but as far as metro clubs go Lyndhurst, Endeavour Hills, Hallam and Doveton are all in the Southern League. Berwick is well and truly SFL territory. It’d be an interesting precedent they haven’t been keen on in the past.
Good luck to them but as far as metro clubs go Lyndhurst, Endeavour Hills, Hallam and Doveton are all in the Southern League. Berwick is well and truly SFL territory. It’d be an interesting precedent they haven’t been keen on in the past.
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West gippy arent interested in those clubs,plus alot of players come out of those two areas and play in the wgfnl.
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This direct from the leagues roadshow/rollout/fictional document put to all clubs last year. They either have no idea or grossly over rated the Valley.
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That statement on the points system is really strange. It works the opposite way in situations like this, where some clubs have an endless production line of local 1 point players. The others can’t recruit externally to compete with them, they’re stopped by the points system.
So how many clubs are looking to get out of Premier League?
There has been mention of Berwick to EFL or Gippsland, Cranbourne don't want to be in this comp and will investigate options again, Wandin could be looking at EFL, Olinda and Healesville are apparently keen on dropping down ...... although I haven't seen any official statements to confirm any of these so it may well just be idle forum talk.
This, along with Alexandra, Yea and Thornton possibly joining a northern Goulburn or Goldfields League, could bring the competition back to under 20 clubs - 2 Divisions if 4 or 5 clubs leave.
The League have said in the article that appeared on Tuesday "Outer East...will see plenty of movement occurring between divisions. Clubs will be provided an opportunity to move down a division in 2020, even if they do not finish last in 2019. Being meticulous, ensuring they don't do damage to any club by placing them in a division they can't be successful in." I would expect the movement to be between Premier and Div 1 rather than Div 1 and 2. What criteria will need to be met to allow teams to bail out of Premier?
If the League is going to accept multiple teams dropping down will they force multiple teams into Premier or run a smaller division? A smaller division is what caused the SEFL to fall over.
I haven't heard of any Div 1 teams making enthusiastic noises about moving into Premier next year. Whoever wins the flag in Div 1 will be forced to go up whereas in the past that has been an option which clubs such as Powelltown, Yarra Junction and Yarra Glen had opted to stay down as they didn't feel they would be competitive and they would only be forced up if they won consecutive premierships. This could mean that possibly 3 out of Monbulk, Pakenham, Mt Evelyn, Doveton and Officer (at present) could be forced up depending on the number of clubs allowed to drop out. If clubs are given the opportunity to move down, will others be given the opportunity to reject a move into Premier?
There has been mention of Berwick to EFL or Gippsland, Cranbourne don't want to be in this comp and will investigate options again, Wandin could be looking at EFL, Olinda and Healesville are apparently keen on dropping down ...... although I haven't seen any official statements to confirm any of these so it may well just be idle forum talk.
This, along with Alexandra, Yea and Thornton possibly joining a northern Goulburn or Goldfields League, could bring the competition back to under 20 clubs - 2 Divisions if 4 or 5 clubs leave.
The League have said in the article that appeared on Tuesday "Outer East...will see plenty of movement occurring between divisions. Clubs will be provided an opportunity to move down a division in 2020, even if they do not finish last in 2019. Being meticulous, ensuring they don't do damage to any club by placing them in a division they can't be successful in." I would expect the movement to be between Premier and Div 1 rather than Div 1 and 2. What criteria will need to be met to allow teams to bail out of Premier?
If the League is going to accept multiple teams dropping down will they force multiple teams into Premier or run a smaller division? A smaller division is what caused the SEFL to fall over.
I haven't heard of any Div 1 teams making enthusiastic noises about moving into Premier next year. Whoever wins the flag in Div 1 will be forced to go up whereas in the past that has been an option which clubs such as Powelltown, Yarra Junction and Yarra Glen had opted to stay down as they didn't feel they would be competitive and they would only be forced up if they won consecutive premierships. This could mean that possibly 3 out of Monbulk, Pakenham, Mt Evelyn, Doveton and Officer (at present) could be forced up depending on the number of clubs allowed to drop out. If clubs are given the opportunity to move down, will others be given the opportunity to reject a move into Premier?
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Yea, Thornton, Alex, Bonnie Doon, Violet Town, would be a pretty good start, Broadford had expressed interest in joining the then Central Goulburn Football League prior to the VCFL pulling the plug on that comp.
Would only need maybe 2-3 more clubs then ... Avenel/Nagambie I still think may merge one day given there juniors play together and the once big rivalry (from afar) don't seem there anymore. If not Avenel and Nagambie into something like that gets it to 8 teams.
Long been a talking point over this way given it's virtually the junior football/local cricket boundary ... but no one has been able to see it gain traction or momentum or get across the table with anyone at AFL Vic to plant a fair dinkum seed.
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Yer sounds like it might go ahead in some form Doon , my feeling is add Longwood, Broadford and maybe even Kinglake , lm guessing and its only a guess that Nagambie and most likely Avenel will be against it due to only one or two of the above teams having u18's.
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Good points. It is going to be a difficult time for the Commission, but I reckon they're up to it. Settling-in time is needed, but with clubs likely to move in and out over the foreseeable future, such a fluid structure will eventually level out if we give it time.
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- Sep 22, 2011
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I don’t think any clubs will actually leave the league for 2020, more likely the year after.
If you were doing it right now (and things can obviously change before the end of the season) on percentage you’d have UT, Wandin, OFC and Healesville going down and Monbulk, Pakenham and Mt Evelyn coming up.
8 team top division. Not ideal but if competitiveness is the priority then it may be the way to go for a year or two to try to stablise things.
I reckon the odds would be good that Alexandra, Bonnie Doon, Broadford, Longwood, Thornton-Eildon, Violet Town and Yea would all become involved in a 'Seymour District' league (or a re-incarnation of the Central Goulburn League or Waranga North East League - there have been some decent past leagues in the district).
You could probably add Benalla All Blacks and Kinglake and there would be a reasonable chance of Swanpool and Tatong reviving as a merged entity given they would have an alternative to an Ovens & King league that won't contemplate their entry.
That would give us 9-10 teams.
Avenel and Nagambie are doing alright in the Kyabram District League (both in the top five), so I cannot see them looking towards this comp in the short to medium term unless player numbers become a significant problem.
Kilmore seem happy in the Northern league but could be tempted I suppose.
Lancefield in the Riddell comp may be a smoky - they might be more competitive in this league as they be playing against country clubs as opposed to facing clubs based in or close to Sunbury and Melton.
You could probably add Benalla All Blacks and Kinglake and there would be a reasonable chance of Swanpool and Tatong reviving as a merged entity given they would have an alternative to an Ovens & King league that won't contemplate their entry.
That would give us 9-10 teams.
Avenel and Nagambie are doing alright in the Kyabram District League (both in the top five), so I cannot see them looking towards this comp in the short to medium term unless player numbers become a significant problem.
Kilmore seem happy in the Northern league but could be tempted I suppose.
Lancefield in the Riddell comp may be a smoky - they might be more competitive in this league as they be playing against country clubs as opposed to facing clubs based in or close to Sunbury and Melton.
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Avenel and Longwood where the under 18's that merge this year and going pretty well.
The problem is that AFL Vic did not understand how big there restructure changes will affect neighbouring leagues
There is simply need to be a league setup and two options are around the Outer South East Suburbs (Berwick, Beaconsfield ,Officer, St Francis(???), Cranbourne, Narre warren and a couple of more teams.
or Split the AFL outer East into North divison and South Division.
I do think AFL Victoria need to restructure the Metro Leagues and include the Frankston, Chelsea, Keysbrough as well as Berwick and Pakenham clubs
Football Federation Victoria has a state based promotion and relegation with it seperated into regional areas of Victoria in the lower league. Bowls Victoria summer comp has the same thing for the Metro Pennant season and they have team from Warburton playing in the Metro Comp
Multiple Division do work however need to Local area in the lower leagues for a big Melbourne Metro comp.
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Nah
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Has been a pipe dream of mine since the VCFL as it was back then pulled the plug on the Central Goulburn FL. Over our way the local cricket/junior football boundaries fall in and around a lot of what you have mentioned, and this news today could have huge ramifications for the future of the Seymour DJFL ... not to mention Yea and Alexandra.
Maybe something offering U14s and U17s could be the saviour for smaller populated townships?
Berwick played with less that 25 points the other week so that means they could get 4x 5 point players next year and still be under. As you said it gives even more advantage to the new clubs who have strong juniors
If?
Berwick Narre Beacy cranny all gone
Thornton Alex yea all gone
What's the div 1 sefnl thoughts so far
This would be best case for everyone in my Opinion 2 very even competitions
Div 1
Woori
Upwey
Wandin
Olinda
Healsville
Monbulk
Pakenham
MT Evelyn
Doveton
Officer
Div 2
Belgrave
Emerald
Warby
Junction
Kinglake
Seville
Yarra Glen
Gembrook
Poweltown
Berwick Narre Beacy cranny all gone
Thornton Alex yea all gone
What's the div 1 sefnl thoughts so far
This would be best case for everyone in my Opinion 2 very even competitions
Div 1
Woori
Upwey
Wandin
Olinda
Healsville
Monbulk
Pakenham
MT Evelyn
Doveton
Officer
Div 2
Belgrave
Emerald
Warby
Junction
Kinglake
Seville
Yarra Glen
Gembrook
Poweltown
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Yeah I think there needs to be an adjustment for this. The points system had been pretty good across the state overall but could do with a tweak or two. Unless the goal was to hugely disadvantage clubs without juniors, which I don’t think it was.
Perhaps the “all home players = 1 point” could be looked at. It’s a massive advantage. A good example is Mitch Honeychurch at Vermont, a 6 point player this season at any other club in the state, at Vermont he’s 1 point. That’s an enormous headstart.
Perhaps instead of a flat 1 point rating, it could be a 1 or 2 point discount instead. Making a Honeychurch a 4 or 5 pointer this year, not 1.
That might at least start to even things up where clubs have had juniors go and play TAC Cup or VFL.
Personally no issues with afl players returning to their junior clubs being 1 point
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AFL examples are probably rarer but it’s all about numbers. If you’ve got huge numbers of juniors, a few go off and play a few games of TAC Cup and/or VFL, they can then return to their home club (which already has a mountain of one point players) at one point. If another club without juniors wants to recruit them it’s 4 or 5 points. It adds up quickly.
It might be a way to just even things out a little. I’m not saying get rid of a home club discount altogether, but maybe make it a bit less of an advantage.
Another option is to limit offical senior club affiliations to one junior club each. I believe at the moment clubs can have multiple junior clubs aligned, all of which are one point players.
Of course a senior club can still partner up with junior clubs etc, but they can’t have multiple clubs of juniors for one point each.
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