Shaw open to move - GWS the nominated club of choice post #1927

[Kenno27]

Sorry but the facts are - when Lynch was recruited DAWES was told he could not be guaranteed a spot in the team - he then requested a trade.

Instead of putting his head and fighting for his spot - he chose the easy way out.
Thats hardly Buck' fault - which coach would tell a player that his spot is guaranteed in the team.

Let's not try and recreate history and paint Bucks as the villian at every opportunity.

No one apart from Dawes and Buckley know what was said in that meeting. We can all speculate on what was said but they aren't facts as you say.

As for Lynch competing with the Dawes role, common sense would dictate that his recruitment was to play the KPF/Ruck role. Unsure why Dawes was competing with Lynch, even Neeld who was turfed as Melbourne's coach realised Dawes was best suited to no rucking.

No one is saying Buckley is the villain. But there is a strengthing amount of evidence that suggests the cons are outweighing the pros since he has become coach.

Again getting back to Dawes, the club itself considered Dawes as a leader. One year prior to the meeting with Buckley, Buckley and Walsh felt it in the best interests of the club to offer him a 3 year deal. Isn't it a bit inconsistent with this decision to effectively put him on the trading block one year later?

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Don't worry I'll do it for ya.

You get a good view of Dawes' humble little car in this clip. It is also all too easy to see Dawes' obvious displeasure. It's not the demeanour of someone who has voluntarily quit.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Sorry but the facts are - when Lynch was recruited DAWES was told he could not be guaranteed a spot in the team - he then requested a trade.

Instead of putting his head and fighting for his spot - he chose the easy way out.
Thats hardly Buck' fault - which coach would tell a player that his spot is guaranteed in the team.

Let's not try and recreate history and paint Bucks as the villian at every opportunity.

Bullshit. When interviewed the following year, he said himself that he was told to seek a trade. Your facts are figments of your imagination.

 

[MagpieJoel]

So our nreplacement proved sub-standard while Dawes looked good when able to play for Melbourne. We missed him from our forward set up. And all 3 free trades proved to be failures.

Not sure what this has to do with my post, but....

I agree in regards to Lynch. But, Dawes hadn't offered much more the past two seasons. Still don't think he would have offered us much this year. We needed someone who could go into the ruck, and Dawes just wasn't capable of that. Didn't we pick up Grundy with the pick we got though? Think we'll be the winners long term here.

In regards to Young. Time may prove that he was a good pickup. He was injured, so a little early to call it a failure.

Jordan Russel was a failure.

 

[RuFiO]

You get a good view of Dawes' humble little car in this clip. It is also all too easy to see Dawes' obvious displeasure. It's not the demeanour of someone who has voluntarily quit.

Yeah, that shit never gets old.
Didn't know he had that much anger in him till then.
I don't think he even got angry with Melbourne's shit delivery to him this year from what I saw.

 

[SA Magpie]

Why should they respect him? He was given the job without going through a selction process. If he wasnt McGuires love child no way would he have been given the job under the circumstances he was. It really is farcical.

You dont fix something that aint broke. Look at Manchester United right now after Alex Ferguson left.

That's smart, and you say Bucks is at fault.

 

[No SPIN]

Unless you were present at the meeting these are not facts.

All those thinking Dawes was pushed out see quoted below from the article in the link.

"The choices were: Do I stay at Collingwood, which I was entitled to do, it was my choice, or will my footy benefit more from going to another organisation?"

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/fo...hip-at-melbourne/story-fnfll94y-1226516705657

 

[Tbone McGraw]

Bullshit. When interviewed the following year, he said himself that he was told to seek a trade. Your facts are figments of your imagination.

At least he backed his points with quotes from an article.

Who is bullshitting?

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

In regards to Young. Time may prove that he was a good pickup. He was injured, so a little early to call it a failure.

Jordan Russel was a failure.

I read somewhere that Young has only once managed to play more than 10 games in a season.

 

[Old Spice]

So imagining he was told to leave, are people saying players should never be moved along even if they run at the ball like a mummy and can't clunk a mark or get a tap? I mean this is just insane old lady talk.

Go and knit the players some **** socks and start up a fanzine. Boo hoo hoo.

 

[MagpieJoel]

I read somewhere that Young has only once managed to play more than 10 games in a season.

Maybe. You'd have to look that up to tell us whether it is true or not.

 

[Old Spice]

Maybe. You'd have to look that up to tell us whether it is true or not.

I think he wants a research assistant.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

At least he backed his points with quotes from an article.

Who is bullshitting?

I disagree. I don't think the article is evidence that it was Buckley's choice. Dawes says in that article: '"Just in the way that it was communicated to me by 'Bucks' (coach Nathan Buckley), that they'd brought in someone to play that role, which I wasn't able to play as well as they would have hoped this year. That was part of it, but not the whole thing for me'.

This article was written just after Dawes was drafted by Melbourne. Reading between the lines Dawes seems to be trying to do the right thing by Buckley and Collingwood, as you would expect him to do. Buckley also said that he was not going to play 3 big men in the forward line as had been the case when Leigh Brown was at the club. Then in a TV interview some months later, Dawes specifically said that he was told to seek a trade. I will do my best to try to locate that interview, but if I cannot, you can be assured that I heard him say what I claim he said. I repeat - he was told to seek a trade. And judging by the way that Buckley appears to have hit it off with other senior players, I cannot imagine him being tactful in the way he spoke to Dawes.

 

[Tbone McGraw]

So imagining he was told to leave, are people saying players should never be moved along even if they run at the ball like a mummy and can't clunk a mark or get a tap? I mean this is just insane old lady talk.

Go and knit the players some **** socks and start up a fanzine. Boo hoo hoo.

Can I ask where do you get these **** socks? Great fathers day gift

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Maybe. You'd have to look that up to tell us whether it is true or not.

I looked it up and my assertion was wrong. However, I am not incorrect regarding Dawes. For obvious reasons, I am more likely than most to recall facts relating to him.

 

[MagpieJoel]

I think he wants a research assistant.

Yep. Reads like it.

 

[Lord Wilberforce]

No one apart from Dawes and Buckley know what was said in that meeting. We can all speculate on what was said but they aren't facts as you say.

As for Lynch competing with the Dawes role, common sense would dictate that his recruitment was to play the KPF/Ruck role. Unsure why Dawes was competing with Lynch, even Neeld who was turfed as Melbourne's coach realised Dawes was best suited to no rucking.

No one is saying Buckley is the villain. But there is a strengthing amount of evidence that suggests the cons are outweighing the pros since he has become coach.

Again getting back to Dawes, the club itself considered Dawes as a leader. One year prior to the meeting with Buckley, Buckley and Walsh felt it in the best interests of the club to offer him a 3 year deal. Isn't it a bit inconsistent with this decision to effectively put him on the trading block one year later?

1. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember Buckley/Club saying that Lynch was not recruited to replace Dawes, but to free him up from the ruck duties. Lynch was a delayed replacement for Brown, in a system where Brown, Dawes and Cloke played as 3 talls.

2. Could this also not be evidence that Dawes was the one that changed his mind and sought the trade (with the bonus of more money). It would seem strange that Buckley and the Club would put so much faith in him and then turf him out less than a year later.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

So imagining he was told to leave, are people saying players should never be moved along even if they run at the ball like a mummy and can't clunk a mark or get a tap? I mean this is just insane old lady talk.

Go and knit the players some **** socks and start up a fanzine. Boo hoo hoo.

Your Buckley love gets the better of you at times. Dawes didn't have problems clunking a mark this year. Maybe Buck's coaching style brought out the worst in Dawes.

 

[GETSOMENUTS]

You should ask Chris Dawes that. The bloke signed on for unders to stay with the Pies then was given the boot by Buckley after being played out of position all year. That was when we were a team, from the players to the administration. Now we are a rabble.

Dawes got the boot because he is no good. Its great he resigned for unders, because lets be honest he wasnt gonna get a pay rise. Anyone at the end of 2012 would have brought in Lynch and moved on Dawes, except the MM fanboys who have the benefit of hindsight.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

1. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember Buckley/Club saying that Lynch was not recruited to replace Dawes, but to free him up from the ruck duties. Lynch was a delayed replacement for Brown, in a system where Brown, Dawes and Cloke played as 3 talls.

2. Could this also not be evidence that Dawes was the one that changed his mind and sought the trade (with the bonus of more money). It would seem strange that Buckley and the Club would put so much faith in him and then turf him out less than a year later.

As others said to me in relation to Young, if you think that this is what occurred, then produce evidence.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Dawes got the boot because he is no good. Its great he resigned for unders, because lets be honest he wasnt gonna get a pay rise. Anyone at the end of 2012 would have brought in Lynch and moved on Dawes, except the MM fanboys who have the benefit of hindsight.

Can I just point out that I am not an MM fanboy!

 

[No SPIN]

I disagree. I don't think the article is evidence that it was Buckley's choice. Dawes says in that article: '"Just in the way that it was communicated to me by 'Bucks' (coach Nathan Buckley), that they'd brought in someone to play that role, which I wasn't able to play as well as they would have hoped this year. That was part of it, but not the whole thing for me'.

This article was written just after Dawes was drafted by Melbourne. Reading between the lines Dawes seems to be trying to do the right thing by Buckley and Collingwood, as you would expect him to do. Buckley also said that he was not going to play 3 big men in the forward line as had been the case when Leigh Brown was at the club. Then in a TV interview some months later, Dawes specifically said that he was told to seek a trade. I will do my best to try to locate that interview, but if I cannot, you can be assured that I heard him say what I claim he said. I repeat - he was told to seek a trade. And judging by the way that Buckley appears to have hit it off with other senior players, I cannot imagine him being tactful in the way he spoke to Dawes.

So Dawes was prepared to do the right thing by Bucks in the newspaper but not on TV - I look forward to seeing the TV clip.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Yep. Reads like it.

I did the research and admitted I was wrong. I do not have anywhere near as much interest in Clinton Young's history as in Dawes. If Young plays more than 3 games next year, I may be more inclined to check my facts on him.

 

[Old Spice]

Your Buckley love gets the better of you at times. Dawes didn't have problems clunking a mark this year. Maybe Buck's coaching style brought out the worst in Dawes.

Your Dawes love I'd say is the main issue here. Dawes 2012, ordinary as it was, was better than what Dawes produced at Melbourne this year.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...=12&pid2=1746&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=P&fopt2=2012

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

So Dawes was prepared to do the right thing by Bucks in the newspaper but not on TV - I look forward to seeing the TV clip.

Believe what you like about Dawes. You are obviously another poster who believes Buckley can do no wrong.