Politics Should Australia become a Republic?

[burge13]

He does care. All the royal bum lickers say that.

Its not about being a royal bum licker

Explain a single tangible improvement this offers as ive offered up some risks

I dont care yet somehow i want this to lose just to shit nuffies off. After all this time and prompting you offer nothing. "Because i want it" lol. Good luck getting it through

 

[Ghost Patrol]

What would change? Nothing. You're possibly right. I think there would be implications on travel/passports, foreign trade, tax, and the overall cost would be huge.

So, given it will be a very expensive exercise. What benefit will that create other than HeAd Of StAtE nuffies being happy?

Quantify something, anything?!

Are you still on your mum's medicare card, or did you get your own after you grew up?

 

[Reg Grundy35]

What would change? Nothing. You're possibly right. I think there would be implications on travel/passports, foreign trade, tax, and the overall cost would be huge.

So, given it will be a very expensive exercise. What benefit will that create other than HeAd Of StAtE nuffies being happy?

Quantify something, anything?!

GFY. there are more reasons for doing things than money. (believe it or not)

 

[burge13]

GFY. there are more reasons for doing things than money. (believe it or not)

So you cant even answer. A new low

 

[burge13]

Are you still on your mum's medicare card, or did you get your own after you grew up?

Its not me acting like a child here, its you lot. As usual

Perhaps you could offer more than a troll? I doubt it as you arent as smart as you think

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Its not me acting like a child here, its you lot. As usual

Perhaps you could offer more than a troll? I doubt it as you arent as smart as you think

Settle down. It was a simple analogy.

 

[Cap]

Its not about being a royal bum licker

Explain a single tangible improvement this offers as ive offered up some risks

I dont care yet somehow i want this to lose just to s**t nuffies off. After all this time and prompting you offer nothing. "Because i want it" lol. Good luck getting it through

The tangible change.

Currently no Australian born or naturalised citizen can become head of state without moving to England and marrying the 1st in line to become our head of State.

That is tangible that is an Improvement.

 

[burge13]

The tangible change.

Currently no Australian born or naturalised citizen can become head of state without moving to England and marrying the 1st in line to become our head of State.

That is tangible that is an Improvement.

So you have **** all

Will need more than that...

 

[Cap]

GFY. there are more reasons for doing things than money. (believe it or not)

To be really fair, we haven't had an engaged Head Of State for what 50 years ?

So people don't understand why it's better to have one here, even if it is literally just a figurehead.

Opening the Olympic, touring bushfire areas voting for the women's world cup to be hosted in Australia, acknowledging big Australian moments in the actual country instead of some pre recorded garbage from a literal castle on the other side of the planet.

They are used to mediocrity and can't see what's better.

 

[Cap]

So you have * all

Will need more than that...

No, in your opinion that isn't tangible.

But it is, the reason you want it not to be a thing is you haven't got a response to it.

I do pity you, it must be hard having to pretend things aren't real so you can maintain your views.

 

[evolved2]

To be really fair, we haven't had an engaged Head Of State for what 50 years ?

So people don't understand why it's better to have one here, even if it is literally just a figurehead.

Opening the Olympic, touring bushfire areas voting for the women's world cup to be hosted in Australia, acknowledging big Australian moments in the actual country instead of some pre recorded garbage from a literal castle on the other side of the planet.

They are used to mediocrity and can't see what's better.

You're not selling me on the idea either.

If it's cheaper to keep the monarchy, I'll be easily swayed. The last thing we need is another ego-driven politician in the role of President.

 

[Cap]

You're not selling me on the idea either.

If it's cheaper to keep the monarchy, I'll be easily swayed. The last thing we need is another ego-driven politician in the role of President.

Honestly I don't think people like you will be the target.

It only needs to get 56%, Give or take its always around 40% that want an Australian head of State.

They will target the 20% (including a buffer) in areas they know they can win.

Boomers and conservatives with be low on the list of targets you would think.

Remember there are people who still vote for Putin if they had a choice.

 

[evolved2]

Honestly I don't think people like you will be the target.

It only needs to get 56%, Give or take its always around 40% that want an Australian head of State.

They will target the 20% (including a buffer) in areas they know they can win.

Boomers and conservatives with be low on the list of targets you would think.

Remember there are people who still vote for Putin if they had a choice.

I would have thought I'm exactly the type of person who should be targeted. On the fence, waiting to be swayed by either side...that's low hanging fruit if ever I've seen it.

 

[Cap]

I would have thought I'm exactly the type of person who should be targeted. On the fence, waiting to be swayed by either side...that's low hanging fruit if ever I've seen it.

No offence intended, but reading your posting you don't come across as low hanging fruit in any way

That's not a criticism either, so please don't take it that way

 

[burge13]

No, in your opinion that isn't tangible.

But it is, the reason you want it not to be a thing is you haven't got a response to it.

I do pity you, it must be hard having to pretend things aren't real so you can maintain your views.

Ive prompted you with ideas for improvements and you cant offer anything. We're the exact people you need to sway to vote.

We get funding from the commonwealth, what happens after?

The cost of billions that could be better spent?

Peak nuffery caring about a head of state rather than actual problems/changes/improvements. Don't worry, i pity you significantly more than you do me.

I hope the people leading this are smarter than you are or this has less chance than the Voice of being voted in

 

[evolved2]

No offence intended, but reading your posting you don't come across as low hanging fruit in any way

That's not a criticism either, so please don't take it that way

I'm not offended. Rather, I'm curious why you think that way. I'm not a boomer and I don't think of myself as being particularly socially conservative. Your mileage may vary of course.

I don't hold any strong opinions when it comes to the republic debate.

 

[Cap]

Ive prompted you with ideas for improvements and you cant offer anything. We're the exact people you need to sway to vote.

An Australian as the Head of State us literally the most tangible outcome. But you keep dismissing it as not a thing.

We get funding from the commonwealth, what happens after?

What funding do we get from the Commonwealth ?

The cost of billions that could be better spent?

Isn't that literally a question from every single piece of spending.

I'm more than happy to do it cheaply.

Peak nuffery caring about a head of state rather than actual problems/changes/improvements. Don't worry, i pity you significantly more than you do me.

Surprisingly, I can do more than 1 thing at a time.

I hope the people leading this are smarter than you are or this has less chance than the Voice of being voted in

Craig Foster comes across as very smart , but if be curious when have you voted for someone you thought were smarter or even listen to the advice of someone that was smarter than you (like all those people who were smarter than you telling you why the voice was fine).

 

[Cap]

I'm not offended. Rather, I'm curious why you think that way. I'm not a boomer and I don't think of myself as being particularly socially conservative. Your mileage may vary of course.

I don't hold any strong opinions when it comes to the republic debate.

I reckon there would be plenty of people who are lower hanging fruit.

For instance those who didn't even know the Royals were Australia's HOS.

The fact you are indifferent to an Australian being in that role, to me, means there is plenty of fruit to be picking before you.

I could be wrong though, you might get a call from Craig Foster.

 

[Cap]

https://www.dfat.gov.au/international-relations/international-organisations/commonwealth-of-nations#:~:text=Australia%20is%20a%20founding%20member,contributors%20to%20the%20Commonwealth%20budget.

Australia is a founding member of the modern Commonwealth and has been an active participant in Commonwealth organisations, programs and meetings for over 60 years. It is in the top four-largest contributors to the Commonwealth budget.

To be honest , I'd never considered this angle.

The Commonwealth is a net cost to us....but even as a Republic we stay in the commonwealth and I don't see why that changes. So it feels a bit mean spirted to use it as an angle.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

You're not selling me on the idea either.

If it's cheaper to keep the monarchy, I'll be easily swayed. The last thing we need is another ego-driven politician in the role of President.

what a shock

 

[Reg Grundy35]

I would have thought I'm exactly the type of person who should be targeted. On the fence, waiting to be swayed by either side...that's low hanging fruit if ever I've seen it.

youre not on any ****ing fence on this or anything. Youre like John Howards spawn

 

[evolved2]

youre not on any ******* fence on this or anything. Youre like John Howards spawn

I like you.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

We get funding from the commonwealth...

https://www.dfat.gov.au/international-relations/international-organisations/commonwealth-of-nations#:~:text=Australia%20is%20a%20founding%20member,contributors%20to%20the%20Commonwealth%20budget.

To be honest , I'd never considered this angle.

The Commonwealth is a net cost to us....but even as a Republic we stay in the commonwealth and I don't see why that changes. So it feels a bit mean spirted to use it as an angle.

Exploring this even further, I found this;

Australia and the Commonwealth

uk.embassy.gov.au

Australia is the third-largest contributor to the Commonwealth budget. We are represented on the Commonwealth Secretariat’s Board of Governors, and its Executive Committee, by the High Commissioner for Australia to the United Kingdom...

...In 2019-20 Australia provided an estimated $7.2 million in total to Commonwealth development programs, including funding for the Commonwealth Foundation, Commonwealth Youth Program, the Commonwealth of Learning, Commonwealth Small States Offices in Geneva and New York, the Commonwealth Fund for Technical Cooperation, the Commonwealth Youth Gender and Equality Network (CYGEN) via the Royal Commonwealth Society (RCS), and the Commonwealth Equality Network (TCEN) via the Kaleidoscope Trust.

Support has also been provided to the Queen’s Commonwealth Canopy (QCC) via the RCS with projects within Australia funded by Federal and State Governments. Australia is also supporting QCC projects in PNG and Uganda funded by the Australian Centre for International Agricultural Research (ACIAR)

And here is a further explanation of what the Commonwealth Secretariat is, and how its funded;

Commonwealth Secretariat - Commonwealth of Nations

www.commonwealthofnations.org

The Commonwealth Secretariat, established in 1965, is the main intergovernmental agency of the Commonwealth, facilitating consultation and co-operation among member governments and countries. It is responsible to member governments collectively.

Based in London, UK, the Secretariat organises Commonwealth summits, meetings of ministers, consultative meetings and technical discussions; it assists policy development and provides policy advice, and facilitates multilateral communication among the member governments. It also provides technical assistance to help governments in the social and economic development of their countries and in support of the Commonwealth’s fundamental political values...

Secretariat headquarters

The Secretariat has its headquarters at Marlborough House, built in 1709 by Sarah Churchill, first Duchess of Marlborough, on the site given to her by Queen Anne. This royal palace was made available to the Commonwealth by Queen Elizabeth II in 1959. Marlborough House also houses the Commonwealth Foundation, and it and nearby Lancaster House have been the venue of many important Commonwealth conferences.
Funds and finances

The Secretariat and its work are funded by three separate budgets or funds – namely, the Commonwealth Secretariat Fund, the Commonwealth Youth Programme (CYP) Fund, and the Commonwealth Fund for Technical Co-operation (CFTC). The Secretariat and CYP budgets are financed by assessed contributions from member governments. The assessed contributions are primarily based on capacity to pay. The CFTC budget is financed by voluntary contributions from member governments. For 2012/13 the Secretariat’s budget is UK£16.14 million, the CFTC budget is UK£29.73 million and the CYP budget is UK£3.48 million.

Funding the CFTC

All contributions to the CFTC are voluntary. The top eight contributors (by receipts) over the last six financial years (to 2011/12) are: the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, India, Nigeria, Brunei Darussalam and Kenya. Some member countries’ overseas territories and associated states also contribute. For various special CFTC projects, contributions have been received from non-Commonwealth governments and voluntary organisations.

We can choose to leave the Commonwealth entirely, or remain within it as a Republic by the way. I do not think we would suffer economically if we left. I can't see the U.K or remaining Commonwealth countries sanctioning us for leaving.

EDIT: Cleaning up messy joined quote and typos

 

[Cap]

Exploring this even further, I found this;



And here is a further explanation of what the Commonwealth Secretariat is, and how its funded;



We can choose to leave the Commonwealth entirely, or remain within it as a Republic by the way. I do not think we would suffer economically if we left. I can't see the U.K or remaining Commonwealth countries sanctioning us for leaving.

EDIT: Cleaning up messy joined quote and typos

It's funny how sticky misinformation can be, especially for topics you disagree with.

Things like this and the idea we have to leave the commonwealth to become a Republic are the types of things that need clearing up well before we even consider a referendum.

 

[Gough]

If Charles was actually serious about the Commonwealth being more than a British Empire old boys club he'd be in Kenya, the first major African trip of his reign, making more than some wishy washy speech where he deigns to acknowledge "painful aspects" caused by colonialism. If he won't even apologise for the 90000 Kenyans killed by the Brits in the early 50s why is he even bothering being there beyond the whole thing being some ego placating, taxpayer funded jolly up and just what's the Commonwealth's future looking like when the head of it is still trying to whitewash it's past.