Should Port Adelaide, Bulldogs, MFC and Stk be allowed Top Up players

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Essendon get top ups so the AFL can fulfil contracts.

Other clubs take a bit of a hit but that's the luck of the draw. North got screwed over by Hawthorn when they traded for Hay. Clarke went to Melbourne and couldn't perform due to a pre existing issue. In any case comparisons are not relevant. The only reason Essendon get to add players to their list is to be able to field a side sufficient to keep broadcaster etc happy(ish). That isn't relevant to anyone else. In any case the only sides that should even want a top up is one in flag contention even then only if there was a quality option they wanted to add. Other than that it would most likely be counter productive. What would a VFL/SANFL/WAFL player do for Melbourne or St Kilda in 2016? Dog's & Port won't be any closer to flag with an additional state league player.
 
I'm thinking maybe the rookie list should be changed to be able to be added too up until the start of the season.

That way any team who loses a player due to a season ending injury or circumstance such as a doping ban can add another rookie before the season starts.

The downside is it screws around state league clubs, but the upside is teams can at least start the year with full depth and a good balance of positional players.

I'd even consider letting teams increase their summer training squads with an extra 4 or even 6 rookies up to about 48 or even 50 players if they guarantee the players who might get cut come March spots in their state league/reserves teams.

I'm a big believer in once you start the season your list is your list and things like mid season trades and drafts will only spread the gap between the top and bottom teams. But I'm not against teams having more freedom to alter their list before the year starts to make sure they have a healthy group.
 

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Essendon get top ups so the AFL can fulfil contracts.

Other clubs take a bit of a hit but that's the luck of the draw. North got screwed over by Hawthorn when they traded for Hay. Clarke went to Melbourne and couldn't perform due to a pre existing issue. In any case comparisons are not relevant. The only reason Essendon get to add players to their list is to be able to field a side sufficient to keep broadcaster etc happy(ish). That isn't relevant to anyone else. In any case the only sides that should even want a top up is one in flag contention even then only if there was a quality option they wanted to add. Other than that it would most likely be counter productive. What would a VFL/SANFL/WAFL player do for Melbourne or St Kilda in 2016? Dog's & Port won't be any closer to flag with an additional state league player.

Ports ruck depth is a bit shaky, especially with injury prone dixon as backup. Think they would want someone to help Lobbe. Should get one topup.

As for Melb replacing Melksham, the top up player would be an improvement.

Dont think the Dogs are losing sleep over Crameri

And Saints were silly for giving up pick 5 before snortchat and the suspensions. Rookie upgrade
and thats it for last three.
 
Ports ruck depth is a bit shaky, especially with injury prone dixon as backup. Think they would want someone to help Lobbe. Should get one topup.

As for Melb replacing Melksham, the top up player would be an improvement.

Dont think the Dogs are losing sleep over Crameri

And Saints were silly for giving up pick 5 before snortchat and the suspensions. Rookie upgrade
and thats it for last three.
Bad luck for Port and too bad for Collingwood if Aish gets injured. Clubs don't have to be compensated for everything that goes against them. The AFL need Essendon to field a side so they have to get the players to facilitate that. It isn't about Essendon's entitlement, it is a commercial necessity for the AFL and all the other clubs by extension. No other club is in a remotely analogous situation.
 
Why is your list so poorly managed?
Most Port fans would have found it hard to find a spot in the 22 for Lobbe, so he would have spent majority of the games in the reserves. Having Ryder in the AFL, and Lobbe and Frampton in the SANFL would have been a good ruck division, but now, Lobbe is moved into the AFL and Frampton has to ruck practically by himself all year in the SANFL unless Lobbe goes down, which he would then have to ruck in the AFL.
Maybe think about that before recruiting a guy with a potential drug ban hanging over his head? Port took the risk and got Ryder on the cheap because of it, bad luck.
So, You're saying, that since Port brang in a player under a suspension cloud, just like St Kilda, Western Bulldogs and Melbourne, that these four teams shouldn't be allowed to pick-up top-up players, while Essendon, the team that caused all of this, are allowed 10 top-up players as well as the ability to upgrade five out of their six rookie listed players. One way or another Ryder, Melksham Carlisle and Crameri were going to leave Essendon, if it wasn't these four clubs then it would be different clubs that would have recruited them..
 
If you traded items with someone, then got told a few years later that you were unable to use it for 12 months because of the actions of the previous owner, you would be pretty pissed off and after some compensation.
 
If you traded items with someone, then got told a few years later that you were unable to use it for 12 months because of the actions of the previous owner, you would be pretty pissed off and after some compensation.

What if you were told that there was a risk the game developers would ban the items for 12 months?
 

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Most Port fans would have found it hard to find a spot in the 22 for Lobbe, so he would have spent majority of the games in the reserves. Having Ryder in the AFL, and Lobbe and Frampton in the SANFL would have been a good ruck division, but now, Lobbe is moved into the AFL and Frampton has to ruck practically by himself all year in the SANFL unless Lobbe goes down, which he would then have to ruck in the AFL.

So, You're saying, that since Port brang in a player under a suspension cloud, just like St Kilda, Western Bulldogs and Melbourne, that these four teams shouldn't be allowed to pick-up top-up players, while Essendon, the team that caused all of this, are allowed 10 top-up players as well as the ability to upgrade five out of their six rookie listed players. One way or another Ryder, Melksham Carlisle and Crameri were going to leave Essendon, if it wasn't these four clubs then it would be different clubs that would have recruited them..
For about the 10th time Essendon are a completely unique situation in that they need top ups just to get a team out on the park that will in any case still cop a flogging almost all the time at best. Not getting any extras they would mean a farce situation where they could get smashed by 200+ points every week. This wont do anyone any good except for the teams that jagged playing them twice in the draw for extra %.

Port knew the gamble they were taking and thought they were clever getting the guy on the cheap but lost their bet, and were too dumb to manage their list properly to allow for the potential Ryder getting banned situation. Suck it up.
 
Two things:

- Keeps Melksham outof the 22 for 12 months, hooray!
- I think we were looking at this with our rookie. We picked a 21 year old half back flanker with our only rookie selection. Considering that Melksham was recruited specifically for that role...

That said, Port should definitely get one for Monfries.
 
You're delusional if you think it doesn't make sense. Why should other clubs be penalized because of Essendon's wrongdoing?

A reduction to 8 games a week instead of 9 affects all clubs, not just Essendon.

Realistically they're going to still get flogged most weeks. At least now you won't have a risk of forfeited games, which leaves everyone unhappy and out of pocket.
 
You're delusional if you think it doesn't make sense. Why should other clubs be penalized because of Essendon's wrongdoing?
You mean does I presume. Because they have players convicted of taking illegal drugs. So did Freo and Collingwood last year It is the way it is. What makes sense is that Essendon have to play games for the AFL to fulfil contracts so they have to get players to field a side and the other clubs are not in the position of jeopardising those contracts. It is a fundamental difference in their respective situations ad they re not analogous. How is that a delusional observation?

Essendon are not being granted a favour for their sake they are being allowed to field a side for the sake of the competition.
 
For about the 10th time Essendon are a completely unique situation in that they need top ups just to get a team out on the park that will in any case still cop a flogging almost all the time at best. Not getting any extras they would mean a farce situation where they could get smashed by 200+ points every week. This wont do anyone any good except for the teams that jagged playing them twice in the draw for extra %.

Port knew the gamble they were taking and thought they were clever getting the guy on the cheap but lost their bet, and were too dumb to manage their list properly to allow for the potential Ryder getting banned situation. Suck it up.
Do you think I, and everyone else, not know that Essendon are in a unique situation and that they need players to field a team? I don't think they will get 'flogged' like people are predicting, of course they wont be at the top of the ladder, but they will still be serviceable. I believe we got Ryder for about the right price, did you expect Port to give them a Wingard, Hartlett or Wines like they were asking? Would that make it more fairer to you?
A reduction to 8 games a week instead of 9 affects all clubs, not just Essendon.

Realistically they're going to still get flogged most weeks. At least now you won't have a risk of forfeited games, which leaves everyone unhappy and out of pocket.
I didn't say anything about Essendon not fielding a team, i said that the other clubs should get top-ups just like Essendon are.
You mean does I presume. Because they have players convicted of taking illegal drugs. So did Freo and Collingwood last year It is the way it is. What makes sense is that Essendon have to play games for the AFL to fulfil contracts so they have to get players to field a side and the other clubs are not in the position of jeopardising those contracts. It is a fundamental difference in their respective situations ad they re not analogous. How is that a delusional observation?

Essendon are not being granted a favour for their sake they are being allowed to field a side for the sake of the competition.
Fremantle and Collingwood players weren't recruited by another club now where they? So, of course they didn't deserve top-ups. I understand Essendon getting top-ups, but why you should Port go into the season with less players on the list when they have done nothing wrong? Answer that.
 
If you traded items with someone, then got told a few years later that you were unable to use it for 12 months because of the actions of the previous owner, you would be pretty pissed off and after some compensation.
From the supplier perhaps. Not from the government or at the local market. Same deal with Saints and Carlisle. They were done over by Essendon and should really have a case against them. It's not the first time that soulless, cheating club has been less than honesty on such dealings and hopefully their penalty comes from future dealings with the clubs but that has nothing to do with rights from other parties.
 
I don't think they will get 'flogged' like people are predicting, of course they wont be at the top of the ladder, but they will still be serviceable.
Agreed. Getting these heavily experienced players in will majorly dampen the blow. The question is whether there are enough of them.

Realistically, Crowley and Kelly are somewhat as good as the banned players in their respective positions.
 

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