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I don't see us winning another game this season, so it's a big fat YES for a priority pick, hopefully it follows our first round pick as well.
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Yeah we've had the top pick in the rookie drafts for 2 years. Our use of the actual rookie list has been deplorable for years. Basically a waiting list to get delistedMaric did okay last year. I reckon Jai Culley has some potential too.
The AFL doesn't really seem concerned with developing young players or grass roots footy, which is where most decent players (ie not superstars or first round picks) come from. Otherwise they'd be keen to prioritise helping clubs build good development programs.
I think it was the Collingwood President who said a few weeks ago that they didn't really give a stuff about draft picks or developing younger players. Instead they were just gonna poach other sides good players for as long as they could. Its crazy that people think that way. No wonder the game is not in the best shape.
I think it was the Collingwood President who said a few weeks ago that they didn't really give a stuff about draft picks or developing younger players. Instead they were just gonna poach other sides good players for as long as they could. Its crazy that people think that way. No wonder the game is not in the best shape.
I can't recall that line being spoken, but the premise wouldn't surprise me.
The combination of free agency and the lop-sided nature of the competition with more than half of clubs based in one state, plays directly to the advantage of the largest clubs in that state.
Over the past 10 seasons, two-thirds of all free agency transfers have been to Victorian clubs, with the majority of those being of a predatory nature where a club positioned in a premiership window is able to top-up cheaply at the expense of those lower down. Just three players have moved to WA clubs by free agency over that period (R.Conca, J.Hunt and M.Flynn).
The threat of player free agency then has knock-on effects on player trading. Not everyone receives the same treatment that your club had last year - aside from Gold Coast the track record of pick compensation as calculated by the administration has been seemingly to a completely different set of rules when it comes to non-Victorian clubs.
Which leads to an unequal leverage in trade negotiations towards those Victorian clubs. Look at the difference in trade between West Coast gaining T.Kelly versus J.Redden or L.Jetta. Or Melbourne to gain J.Lever from Adelaide versus what they received from Fremantle for L.Jackson.
It leaves those clubs with more capital to build a squad with and be successful as a result.
Then of course you have travel. Make Geelong and Collingwood journey as much as interstate clubs and there is no chance they take the last two premierships with their aged squads. The Cats left Victoria just twice over their last 12 matches in 2022, the Magpies finished with 8 straight at home in 2023.
The lack of travel, particularly during the run-in to finals means those clubs can maintain veterans far longer and have a sustained period of success without the amount of turnover that would be necessary if they were travelling with greater regularity.
And associated to that is finals themselves. For any Victorian club, regardless of where you finish in the top 8, the Grand Final will be at home. It guarantees you won't have consecutive weeks of travel from Preliminary to Grand Final, which opens up the genuine prospect of qualification from 5-8th if you have a good few weeks. That isn't a possibility for those outside Victoria - if you don't finish top 4, you have zero chance, which narrows any window of opportunity significantly.
The reality is that under current circumstances, it is far easier to build a successful list as a large Victorian club than elsewhere, as free agency, trade and travel all combine to provide a considerable headstart compared to the rest of the competition.
Is there any way to fix it or at least address some solutions to help reduce the gap between Vic clubs and interstate clubs.I can't recall that line being spoken, but the premise wouldn't surprise me.
The combination of free agency and the lop-sided nature of the competition with more than half of clubs based in one state, plays directly to the advantage of the largest clubs in that state.
Over the past 10 seasons, two-thirds of all free agency transfers have been to Victorian clubs, with the majority of those being of a predatory nature where a club positioned in a premiership window is able to top-up cheaply at the expense of those lower down. Just three players have moved to WA clubs by free agency over that period (R.Conca, J.Hunt and M.Flynn).
The threat of player free agency then has knock-on effects on player trading. Not everyone receives the same treatment that your club had last year - aside from Gold Coast the track record of pick compensation as calculated by the administration has been seemingly to a completely different set of rules when it comes to non-Victorian clubs.
Which leads to an unequal leverage in trade negotiations towards those Victorian clubs. Look at the difference in trade between West Coast gaining T.Kelly versus J.Redden or L.Jetta. Or Melbourne to gain J.Lever from Adelaide versus what they received from Fremantle for L.Jackson.
It leaves those clubs with more capital to build a squad with and be successful as a result.
Then of course you have travel. Make Geelong and Collingwood journey as much as interstate clubs and there is no chance they take the last two premierships with their aged squads. The Cats left Victoria just twice over their last 12 matches in 2022, the Magpies finished with 8 straight at home in 2023.
The lack of travel, particularly during the run-in to finals means those clubs can maintain veterans far longer and have a sustained period of success without the amount of turnover that would be necessary if they were travelling with greater regularity.
And associated to that is finals themselves. For any Victorian club, regardless of where you finish in the top 8, the Grand Final will be at home. It guarantees you won't have consecutive weeks of travel from Preliminary to Grand Final, which opens up the genuine prospect of qualification from 5-8th if you have a good few weeks. That isn't a possibility for those outside Victoria - if you don't finish top 4, you have zero chance, which narrows any window of opportunity significantly.
The reality is that under current circumstances, it is far easier to build a successful list as a large Victorian club than elsewhere, as free agency, trade and travel all combine to provide a considerable headstart compared to the rest of the competition.
Have a look over the years at WC ladder position and number of wins/losses after about round 14-16 and then look at what happens over the last roughly 1/3 of the season.Then of course you have travel. Make Geelong and Collingwood journey as much as interstate clubs and there is no chance they take the last two premierships with their aged squads. The Cats left Victoria just twice over their last 12 matches in 2022, the Magpies finished with 8 straight at home in 2023.
The lack of travel, particularly during the run-in to finals means those clubs can maintain veterans far longer and have a sustained period of success without the amount of turnover that would be necessary if they were travelling with greater regularity.
Reminds me of the first three years under Woosha (02–04). We were flying at the halfway point each year before falling away and JUST scraping into finals, then getting pummelled in away elim. Still saddens me that Peter Matera's last game was the away 02 elim against Essendon, he deserved a Subi send off.Have a look over the years at WC ladder position and number of wins/losses after about round 14-16 and then look at what happens over the last roughly 1/3 of the season.
Time and time again we fall off the cliff.
It's not as if we are more unfit or something like that. We accumulate more injuries (travel doesn't help) and there is the general fatigue of week after week travel.
Travel has a lot to answer for and the vAFL loves playing ostrich on the issue.
"Give us picks or we will fly all 22 players business class for the next 5 years""Give us picks or we will blow the soft cap every single ****ing year hiring the absolute best development coaches and tacticians in the game, forcing the other big clubs to match or exceed our spending. Do you really want to open that can of worms?"
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"Give us picks or we will fly all 22 players business class for the next 5 years"
I think that both Freo and WCE should have bigger list sizes and not through rookies to account for travel. In addition you should be given greater academy access for indigenous players that you have first access to and not have to use early draft pics.Never let a chance go by, we have to be in it to win it.
But, probably won't get up as many say.
I've changed my tune on the priority pick issue.Farkin ask for whatever we can get.
We have been part funding the minnow clubs for so long that now that we need some help we should be asking.
Midseason?...now is the winter of our discontent.I don't like the pessimistic nature of the thread. Why not wait until midseason at least?
Literally every club to ever get priority picks has ****ed it up themselves.Not too sure the AFL will give us any PP's due to the mess we find ourselves in is wholly our own fault.
Not too sure the AFL will give us any PP's due to the mess we find ourselves in is wholly our own fault.
Perhaps many think we fit your criteriaLiterally every club to ever get priority picks has ****ed it up themselves.
I dont know why that point keeps getting brought up, it's completely irrelevant.
you are right, i just wanted to vent how stupid the recruiting were for years. I was definitely thinking we were going to pay for it at the time, too.Literally every club to ever get priority picks has ****ed it up themselves.
I dont know why that point keeps getting brought up, it's completely irrelevant.
A few season examplesReminds me of the first three years under Woosha (02–04). We were flying at the halfway point each year before falling away and JUST scraping into finals, then getting pummelled in away elim. Still saddens me that Peter Matera's last game was the away 02 elim against Essendon, he deserved a Subi send off.
On topic: 110% for the priority pick(s). Get as many gun kids in as possible, the cupboard is so bare.