Simon Goodwin: Why so little noise?

[Johnny Karate]

6 goalless quarters this year

9 single goal quarters



23 goalless quarters in 83 matches

46 single goal quarters in 83 matches



83% chance of seeing a one goal or less quarter under Goodwin.



Along similar lines. Opposition goals in quarters under Goodwin.

6 goals +

2017: 9

2018: 10

2019: 7

2020: 1

27 times in 83 matches = 32.5% of all matches under Goodwin.



5 goals

2017: 7

2018: 6

2019: 16

2020: 2

31 times in 83 matches = 37% of all matches



4 goals

2017: 16

2018: 15

2019: 14

2020: 5

50 times in 83 matches = 60% of all matches



In total 108 times in 83 matches we have conceded 4, 5 or 6+ under Goodwin. So statistically, we have a very good chance of scoring one goal or less in a quarter of any given game and virtually set in stone that we’ll cop either 4, 5 or 6+ going back the other way in at least one quarter.
Moreover, he’s had the best part of 4 years, his W/L sits below 50%, Melbourne have an 8 wins 29 losses record against top 8 sides in that time. Few players have improved, many of those who have, have gone backwards. The team rarely plays better than the sum of its parts. The game plan is nakedly inefficient.

Team selections range from the bizarre to the ****ing awful. To select a team with O McDonald, May, Lever, Salem, Wagner, Tomlinson, Rivers and Smith who all play their best footy down back as well as Harmes who is for some reason now also a defender against a side that has serious issues up forward is ****ing bonkers.
We were belted by an ordinary Swans side that will miss finals in consecutive years for the first time since 1995. Under Goodwin, we are 1-4 against them and these haven’t exactly been golden years for Sydney. Frankly, it’s an embarrassment.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Only seven current coaches have records below 50% (including Teague who slipped under break-even tonight). Factoring in team age gives Goodwin (and Fagan) a bare career pass.

This year Melbourne is the 10th-oldest team, their highest rank since 2007 when Daniher was sacked.

They've played at nine different venues and only twice at their home ground in a difficult year. Doubts are surfacing but the picture will be much clearer in 12 months.

 

[Aramis]

Could not coach ducks to be wet.

Melbourne has an incredibly talented list just being squandered by an amateur. Same goes for GWS.

 

[SunshineBoy]

Only seven current coaches have records below 50% (including Teague who slipped under break-even tonight). Factoring in team age gives Goodwin (and Fagan) a bare career pass.

This year Melbourne is the 10th-oldest team, their highest rank since 2007 when Daniher was sacked.

They've played at nine different venues and only twice at their home ground in a difficult year. Doubts are surfacing but the picture will be much clearer in 12 months.

I think he needs another extension, I saw his tick tok and he has the makings of a great coach , it’s also amazing how “the good stuff“ have allowed to keep his great physique

 

[00Stinger]

I’ve maintained this all along, if we miss the 8 this year, which is probably a certainty now, he needs to go.

And explain to me how the club are going to finance this?

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[00Stinger]

Has a bit of mark neeld about him

Lol come on, I know you beat us last night and you are up and about but he ain't even close to Neeld badness. No body in the history of the game is that bad

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[demondavey]

And explain to me how the club are going to finance this?

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Is that my problem? Do I really care how they generate their revenue? I have no insights into their cash flow situation or forecasting. I’ve no idea about their current or non current liabilities. Now, I would assume, that a sensible individual, or group of, would include a performance based clause in a 4 year contract. I’d hope that there is something the MFC can use to remove him if certain KPI are not met.

If that is not the case, then whoever signed that deal off needs to go as well, and that is Pert. The CEO and board need to realise we’ve picked up a hack that a decent club didn’t want. Why the **** would you sign up again? As a member? How many members will they lose? It’s an organisation that is B grade and it’s overseen by an obviously incompetent group of ‘executives’.

As for the money? ****, just find it. Dig into the rich member base of the MCC and create a Goodwin payout fund.

 

[00Stinger]

Is that my problem? Do I really care how they generate their revenue? I have no insights into their cash flow situation or forecasting. I’ve no idea about their current or non current liabilities. Now, I would assume, that a sensible individual, or group of, would include a performance based clause in a 4 year contract. I’d hope that there is something the MFC can use to remove him if certain KPI are not met.

If that is not the case, then whoever signed that deal off needs to go as well, and that is Pert. The CEO and board need to realise we’ve picked up a hack that a decent club didn’t want. Why the fu** would you sign up again? As a member? How many members will they lose? It’s an organisation that is B grade and it’s overseen by an obviously incompetent group of ‘executives’.

As for the money? fu**, just find it. Dig into the rich member base of the MCC and create a Goodwin payout fund.

You should be a politician

Ideas with no idea of how to implement or fund them

 

[demondavey]

You should be a politician

Ideas with no idea of how to implement or fund them

Better than being a coach of the MFC with ideas with no idea how to implement them.

So enlighten me on our cash flow position then would you?

 

[BruceTempany14]

Is that my problem? Do I really care how they generate their revenue? I have no insights into their cash flow situation or forecasting. I’ve no idea about their current or non current liabilities. Now, I would assume, that a sensible individual, or group of, would include a performance based clause in a 4 year contract. I’d hope that there is something the MFC can use to remove him if certain KPI are not met.

If that is not the case, then whoever signed that deal off needs to go as well, and that is Pert. The CEO and board need to realise we’ve picked up a hack that a decent club didn’t want. Why the fu** would you sign up again? As a member? How many members will they lose? It’s an organisation that is B grade and it’s overseen by an obviously incompetent group of ‘executives’.

As for the money? fu**, just find it. Dig into the rich member base of the MCC and create a Goodwin payout fund.

Sounds like the Essednon Coterie Group approach.

I really , and I mean really , can emphasise with your frustrations. That list is pretty good , GAWN pETRACCA ,bRAYSHAW, MAY Oliver ET AL. To me it is a Top 4 list and team.
Sort of agree , this is wipe-out year for everyone , but there are still games that you should (MUST!) win and last nights was one of those ( in context).
Cats stuck fat with Thompson, Tigers with Hardwick under similar circumstances.
But I understand 100 per cent your feelings .

Dees and Saints need one soon , their supporters deserve it.

 

[00Stinger]

Better than being a coach of the MFC with ideas with no idea how to implement them.

So enlighten me on our cash flow position then would you?

With the game losing millions of dollars this year, the AFL having mass layoffs of staff, the salary cap and hard cap being drastically cut and clubs laying off a high percentage of staff it doesn't take a genius to work out that clubs are cost cutting to stay afloat.

So paying out a 2 year contract doesn't seem like a sound financial decision does it?

 

[queensberryrules]

Little noise because Melbourne is a club that invites apathy, even from its own.

The years Swoop was in charge were golden in comparison.

 

[demondavey]

Sounds like the Essednon Coterie Group approach.

I really , and I mean really , can emphasise with your frustrations. That list is pretty good , GAWN pETRACCA ,bRAYSHAW, MAY Oliver ET AL. To me it is a Top 4 list and team.
Sort of agree , this is wipe-out year for everyone , but there are still games that you should (MUST!) win and last nights was one of those ( in context).
Cats stuck fat with Thompson, Tigers with Hardwick under similar circumstances.
But I understand 100 per cent your feelings .

Dees and Saints need one soon , their supporters deserve it.

But Thompson was coaching a team that was seriously elite. They had guns on every line. They also made finals in 04,05 and lost a thriller against Sydney in 05. Bombed out in 06, rest is history. Melbourne? Nothing like it. One finals appearance and then most likely two years of non finals.

There’s nothing that’s convincing me Goodwin is the right coach. Not a thing. If you are on your way to a flag you’ve got to play finals before. We smashed 3 average teams then failed against another mid range side in the WB, got out of jail against the Saints, then choked last night against a non finals outfit.

The players don’t know how to play out a game. That’s coaching.

 

[Johnny Karate]

Only seven current coaches have records below 50% (including Teague who slipped under break-even tonight). Factoring in team age gives Goodwin (and Fagan) a bare career pass.

This year Melbourne is the 10th-oldest team, their highest rank since 2007 when Daniher was sacked.

They've played at nine different venues and only twice at their home ground in a difficult year. Doubts are surfacing but the picture will be much clearer in 12 months.

@ the MCG under Goodwin = 16 wins, 23 losses which is significantly worse than any other MCG co-tenant since 2017.

Away from the MCG under Goodwin = 24 wins and 20 losses.

If anything this year should suit us.

 

[demondavey]

With the game losing millions of dollars this year, the AFL having mass layoffs of staff, the salary cap and hard cap being drastically cut and clubs laying off a high percentage of staff it doesn't take a genius to work out that clubs are cost cutting to stay afloat.

So paying out a 2 year contract doesn't seem like a sound financial decision does it?

Is there a clause in his contract that allows us to remove him based on KPI? It doesn’t matter what’s happening in the industry, a business is individual, they are their own entity. Again, I’ve no idea how liquid we are. Do you know? I’ve no idea what we owe creditors? Do you? Until someone can come out and say we have X or Y we aren’t bound to anything.

If we dont make finals what’s to lose putting in a coach with the right vision and approach on a lesser deal with the option to extend beyond 2 years? It gives someone an ability to shape the list and direction and gives them a stint as a senior coach. There’s a lot of assistants out there that would be better than Goodwin mate.

 

[Ron The Bear]

@ the MCG under Goodwin = 16 wins, 23 losses which is significantly worse than any other MCG co-tenant since 2017.

Away from the MCG under Goodwin = 24 wins and 20 losses.

If anything this year should suit us.

That's quite a startling stat and suggests his team isn't suited to winning finals where most of them are played.

Some clubs have coped with the disruption of hub life better than others. Not sure we'll see anyone sacked this year.

 

[demondavey]

That's quite a startling stat and suggests his team isn't suited to winning finals where most of them are played.

Some clubs have coped with the disruption of hub life better than others. Not sure we'll see anyone sacked this year.

Well we know Pert won’t advocate for it as he signed a 4 year deal for Goodwin. Which then comes down to how much clout our board has in making big decisions.

 

[Nick Daffy 10]

Maybe some heat should go to the Melbourne board for coming up with the whole idea of paying Paul Roos top dollar to mentor and transition to Goodwin as the end result is that their not much better now then when started that. It has cost the club a lot of money for very little improvement...

 

[G String]

Just need to get this off my chest.... Melbourne's skills are obviously not to AFL level in fact they are a horror show. This problem is of their own creation and is now embeded in their culture - caused from a top down decision to draft/recuit players primarily based on their contested work. At some point the Demons hierarchy have sat down - coaches and recruiters - and said that our brand should be about winning the contested ball and in the meantime have not balanced this out with skill/ball use/decision making. I suspect Goodwin and potentially Roos has had a major say in the way this has played out.

Having made that decision to get players based primarily on their inside ability the die is cast - coaches put emphasis on it, leadership focuses on that and it filters down to the playing group and new players that come in - it becomes their culture. Having players in leadership positions that do not set a high standard with their skills filters down throughout the group - in training and during matches. If Nat Jones or Clayton Oliver can give me a loopy handpass or miss a target from 20 metres or drop a 5m handball at someones feet at training it must be OK - the whole expected standard drops - new players think that as long as they're winning the hard ball the senior players will accept me.

Contested ball is great and critical to win games but the team/club needs balance - ideally you would have players that combine the 2 - I've always been a massive fan of Libba, known as a ball getter but his skills in close and outside are exquisit and under-rated.

Junior players that are beasts in the u18s are not neccessarily going to turn out to be well rounded AFL players - Libba when he was recruitd was undersized but has become a great player. Look at Port's recruiting over the past 2-3 years - Rozzee, Butters etc - not noted for their contested ability but very classy ball users and they have driven success at Port - a lot of people were surpirsd with Ports selections in the draft but Port knew what they were getting and had a philosophy to bring in quality ball users - they focused on their stengths rather than their percieved weaknes with the contested ball.

Clarkson at Hawthorn has always put a premium on quality ball users, West Coast the same, when Dimma arrived at Richmond he made a point of drafting players that were great kicks. Melbourne need to re-evaluate their brand and the club needs to take a good hard look at what wins games of footy. This is not just a change of focus with their recruiting decisions this needs to be a cultural shift at the club.

 

[BruceTempany14]

Maybe some heat should go to the Melbourne board for coming up with the whole idea of paying Paul Roos top dollar to mentor and transition to Goodwin as the end result is that their not much better now then when started that. It has cost the club a lot of money for very little improvement...

couldn't agree with you more.

 

[Johnny Karate]

I’m still perplexed at the criticism directed at Roos. His job was primarily to get us out of the tailspin we were in. He took over a 2-20 @ 54% side in 2013 and left us with a 10-12 @ 98% side in 2016. I get that people don’t like his style of football and his media persona but we improved every year under his tenure from a very low base.

The promising youngsters that Roos had are now mature footballers in their prime realty in terms of their age/experience.

Goodwin has had the best part of 4 years and we are virtually no better than the side he took over (I.e. mid table mediocre). Surely, that’s on Goodwin?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Maybe some heat should go to the Melbourne board for coming up with the whole idea of paying Paul Roos top dollar to mentor and transition to Goodwin as the end result is that their not much better now then when started that. It has cost the club a lot of money for very little improvement...

Roos did his job and righted the ship.

year 1: shored up the defence, +2 wins on previous year
year 2: +3 wins
year 3: +3 wins despite fielding youngest team in comp

The drop in offence from 1st to 17th last year is stark. Letting Hogan go was a huge decision. Weideman's 2018 finals performance may have let them to believe he was ready to front the attack.

In Goodwin's favour is that he's steered them to a prelim already. While they have probably under-achieved, I think it would be a mistake to swing the axe at this point while being fair to apply pressure for results in 2021.

Year	Coach	Ladder	Avg Age	Age Rank	Avg Gms	Gms Rank	Avg For	For Rank	Avg Ag	Ag Rank	P	W	L	D	Percentage	Age Performance	Age Performance Rank
2006	Daniher	5th	25.13	8th	103.7	6th	97.5	5th	89.0	6th	22	13	8	1	109.66	+10.19​	4th
2007	Daniher/Riley	14th	25.41	5th	101.1	8th	85.9	14th	109.9	13th	22	5	17	0	78.16	-30.98​	16th
2008	Bailey	16th	23.97	14th	78.2	15th	74.0	16th	118.3	15th	22	3	19	0	62.61	-30.45​	16th
2009	Bailey	16th	23.61	15th	69.5	16th	77.5	15th	103.9	15th	22	4	18	0	74.66	-23.22​	15th
2010	Bailey	12th	23.76	11th	73.3	12th	84.7	11th	89.6	8th	22	8	13	1	94.52	-5.73​	11th
2011	Bailey/Viney	13th	23.26	15th	62.2	15th	89.7	10th	105.2	14th	22	8	13	1	85.27	-2.99​	10th
2012	Neeld	16th	24.04	15th	69.3	16th	71.8	15th	106.4	16th	22	4	18	0	67.49	-27.35​	18th
2013	Neeld/Craig	17th	24.08	15th	62.5	16th	66.1	18th	122.3	17th	22	2	20	0	54.07	-37.84​	18th
2014	Roos	17th	24.66	14th	71.8	15th	60.7	18th	88.8	12th	22	4	18	0	68.37	-31.02​	17th
2015	Roos	13th	24.68	13th	82.5	13th	71.5	16th	92.9	13th	22	7	15	0	76.96	-15.82​	13th
2016	Roos	11th	23.72	18th	65.3	18th	88.4	10th	90.5	11th	22	10	12	0	97.64	+6.56​	8th
2017	Goodwin	9th	24.58	15th	81.7	16th	92.5	7th	87.9	9th	22	12	10	0	105.22	+8.07​	7th
2018	Goodwin	4th	24.89	12th	89.3	11th	104.5	1st	79.5	9th	22	14	8	0	131.45	+14.41​	4th
2019	Goodwin	17th	24.82	12th	84.1	13th	71.3	17th	90.7	17th	22	5	17	0	78.65	-23.22​	17th
2020	Goodwin	9th	25.42	10th	89.7	11th	63.1	8th	58.3	7th	14	7	7	0	108.21	+3.32​	10th

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

Pretty much. I am beyond the point of defending us against people that want to have have a shot at us. How do you have finals to play for and serve that up? If we were a half decent outfit then we’d have won by 4 goals. It’s all types of wrong.

Goodwin just has to go.

Was it 2017 when you lost to a struggling Pies team in the last round meaning you missed finals By a ****teenth?

this reeks of that

 

[Leeda]

maybe eh the whole demons hierarchy is not up to scratch and he is just a liability when his players don't get together...

it is never the coach's fault.. the dudes aren't there yet. but they should have been there at least three years ago. ..

 

[demondavey]

Was it 2017 when you lost to a struggling Pies team in the last round meaning you missed finals By a ****teenth?

this reeks of that

Yep