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So the record is set straight re Packer's Yacht and Katich/Clarke
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It's frustrating that they ignored so many good ideas in the argus report but followed through on the mark taylor pushed idea of making the skipper a selector again.
With players on multi million dollar deals it was never going to work in fact it's a recipe for exactly what did happen, an unhappy split team with many players seeing the coach and skipper as the enemy rather than people they can confide in.
With players on multi million dollar deals it was never going to work in fact it's a recipe for exactly what did happen, an unhappy split team with many players seeing the coach and skipper as the enemy rather than people they can confide in.
what about setting the record straight on the clarke/symonds/Bingle thing ??
You know it's close to xmas when all the Cricket Autobiographies start coming out, but the one many of us want is yet to be written and we probably have ton wait until either Clarke retires or Roy gets so cast financially that he has to do it but the one we want is the
"Roy - Worts and All"
If all is revealed it will blow your mind - sadly I doubt'e we will ever get it.
In terms of Clarke defenders - you cannot take incidents in isolation, there is so much background and lead up information left out by just saying Katich had him by the throat and he orgainised a trip and they decided not to go. The criticisms of Clarke off field have a strong base over a long priod of time.
As someone posted earlier if you want to get a good read on Clarke as a bloke, check out how he is perceived by the rank and file in Sydney Grade - it's not good.
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Clarke no longer speaking to Mickey Arthur
http://www.news.com.au/sport/cricke...h-michael-clarke/story-fndpt0dy-1226742727522
http://www.news.com.au/sport/cricke...h-michael-clarke/story-fndpt0dy-1226742727522
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As summarised by Ponting >
"It never worried me if a bloke didn't want a drink in the dressing room, but I did wonder about blokes who didn't see the value in sticking around for a chat and a laugh and a post-mortem of the day's play. Pup hardly bought into this for a couple of years and the team noticed"
We are always hearing about the opinion of Clarke held by "Sydney Grade Cricket" anyone going to post something a little more specific?
When he stops making runs he won't hava friend in the world, he's an "I" man in what is still a team game, the minute you can't do anything more for him he doesn't want to no you - I believe the term is selfish.
At the end of the day they're all a bunch of high school girls
But the problem is, as much as these very well paid professional prima donnas are and however juvenile they seem to be, they still need to be able to get along in spite of the rifts and bust ups and whatnots that are inevitably there
Clarke seems to be unable to do that, he has estranged too many blokes who used to be great friends with him, he pisses people off, he causes personal rifts and stuff, and is unable to either handle it in a diplomatic and political manner that holds the team together. The factions that's created in the team recently is further evidence of that, and that Mickey Arthur thing, however you thought of the bloke, is poor form
But the problem is, as much as these very well paid professional prima donnas are and however juvenile they seem to be, they still need to be able to get along in spite of the rifts and bust ups and whatnots that are inevitably there
Clarke seems to be unable to do that, he has estranged too many blokes who used to be great friends with him, he pisses people off, he causes personal rifts and stuff, and is unable to either handle it in a diplomatic and political manner that holds the team together. The factions that's created in the team recently is further evidence of that, and that Mickey Arthur thing, however you thought of the bloke, is poor form
Marcus North.
I've always thought his somewhat surprising elevation to Test player was at least partly due to him being a potential captain. Probably also the reason they started aggressively pushing Tim Paine about the same time.
Injury and general spudness killed off those two avenues though, so it was Clarke or nobody in the end.
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Unless some really heavy sh&^ went down (drugs, illegall, a carey like affair) it will fill a few gossip pages but ultimately have no effect. Just be a case of another ex player taking a swing on the way out, happens all the time.
Now Clarke appears to have very poor man management skills so it is no stretch to say he may lose friendships and not have too many long standing relationships from cricket. That would just be a case of a relationship breakdown/someone acting like a tool. Happens all the time. Besides whoever writes an autobiography is hardly going to put disparaging stuff in about themselves.
Clarke is an interesting case study. A bit of an individual and not popular. Yet plenty like that (KP) who can be absorbed in the team. Can be a disaster as captain (KP, Lara) yet Clarke pulls the right reins tactically and form is second to none so go figure. Comes down to qualities the selectors value(d) I guess.
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Apparently North had the ear of Ponting and was genuinely considered. Reckon they pulled the trigger to quickly on him. Other option was Haddin or after that summer with form revived Hussey as a short term option. Even Watson? Siddle as VC maybe (Although he was dropped immediately after). They had options if they were to be creative yet Clarke (having been VC and the anointed for so many years) was the safe option.
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I though the same but unfortunately North wasn't quite up to it.
I think there aere a few mistakes made - Clarke was annointed far too early so it became a fait accompli, he didn't have to but into any of the team stuff because his ascension was assured, that then had a bit of a flow on affect with other potential candidates.
How about a "menage au trois" - how do you reckon that would go down in the gossip mags?
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That is probably the most pointed and on the money analysis of the angst and problems with his selection as captain. The choices were limited at the time but no process/review/interview was undertaken. If it had been any problems may have been foreseen.
Moving on thou what looked good a month a go suddenly with a few fast bowling injuries Australia's depth in that department will really be tested. A series loss in Australia and I reckon Clarke will start to cop some heat.
We haven't started shield matches which are essentially back to back from November thru Xmas, wait to see what the body count is come Xmas time.
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Hussey was on SEN today and spoke about that Clarke/Katich incident.
Huss was quite clear that Clarke had made plans with his family (wonder why his book says something different); that the first approach to hurry up the team song was 7-7:30pm, the song was eventually sung at around 9-9:30pm - but Clarke had left.
Huss was quite clear that Clarke had made plans with his family (wonder why his book says something different); that the first approach to hurry up the team song was 7-7:30pm, the song was eventually sung at around 9-9:30pm - but Clarke had left.
I think Ponting played in all the tests North did. North made more runs, more 100s, averaged more - but he got dropped, and we hung onto Ponting hoping he'd come good again. (Fair enough I guess - Ponting had been a superstar). But that decision did cost us.
North's issue was that he was a poor starter and he either made a hundred or none, when the middle order is continually getting run thru and it's a 50/50 call who is going to get the benefit of the doubt? Punter or North. North is a seriously good player in his own right, 5 centuries in 21 Tests is a great result, but an overall average of 35 highlights what I'm talking about.
Most amazing thing to me is the ridiculous fuss they make about when to sing the song. For f**k's sake it's just a song. Talk about manufactured tradition. If they don't sing it or not who gives a shit.
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Yep seriously weird Test career, either a single digit score or a 100.. I'm sure he's happy to have made 5 Test 100s against quality opposition iirc but he must still think of it a as a wasted opportunity to play a lot more at that level.
And those hundreds were against top quality opposition too. There was his debut against Steyn, Morkel and Ntini, then there was a pair of tons in the 2009 Ashes, one in New Zealand when we needed someone to bat with Clarke badly and one against India in India. Yet, barely a couple of years later he's a liability in the Western Australian batting lineup (which says something). Then factor in his leadership experience of playing all over the world plus his offies which more than held their own at test level and you have to wonder how the heck it didn't come together.
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