Society and Culture BF style

[Del165198]

Not anymore they're not. And if they still are among your circle, you should find a better circle.

It's disturbing how many people in this thread still use homophobic slurs..

 

[edgie]

You go to school. You learn English. It’s 2024....

Kids are absolutely still using gay slurs with the same rigour they always have in school.

 

[Jonts]

Kids are absolutely still using gay slurs with the same rigour they always have in school.

Are you a teacher edgie?

I don't think this is true

I think schools are a place you would hear them more in society but with my interactions with school and school age kids the rate is definitely dropping over time

 

[edgie]

Are you a teacher edgie?

I don't think this is true

I think schools are a place you would hear them more in society but with my interactions with school and school age kids the rate is definitely dropping over time

No, but I'm around enough of them through footy, and people that have recently left school, to feel acceptability of those slurs in those age people hasn't changed much since I was in school.

 

[Jonts]

No, but I'm around enough of them through footy, and people that have recently left school, to feel acceptability of those slurs in those age people hasn't changed much since I was in school.

Maybe that's a BH thing

Cause from where I'm standing the slurs have definitely reduced in consistency, intent and frequency

 

[edgie]

Maybe that's a BH thing

Cause from where I'm standing the slurs have definitely reduced in consistency, intent and frequency

I don't believe the intent is as strong as it used to be, but the frequency hasn't changed. Guys in their late teens and early 20s still referring to people or things they don't like as a slur.

It's possibly a BH thing but I've always believed and it's been backed up by actual people that have lived it, that BH has always batted above it's average for acceptance of LGBT people.

 

[Blinky Nyland]

Bundle of sticks, by most accounts on here

I'm pretty sure the reason for banning such language is because it causes offence to someone by making them feel disrespected, mis-categorised or fearful of their safety because it implies hate and violent threat. If the target of the term was affected in that way then they deserve an apology but in this case I suspect the complaints from Essendon players was more about spiteful use of the laws of the game to hurt Jeremy because they couldn't beat him playing football.

I think we are getting to the point where even everyday common terms like He, She, Male and Female are so offensive to some people we (AFL, society) are soon going to have to censor and censure people for such speech too.
What about blasphemy on the field? Are we going to suspend players that use God's name in vain because that is highly offensive to observant Christians, Judaists and Moslems.

Good manners are important to a harmonious society and Jeremy recognises that by his apology for his language. An apology is a matter of restoring good manners in this case. It is however a breach of manners and should not be viewed as more than that. Fining, banning and locking up people for a breach of manners is going too far.

I think banning language because it upsets some people is a slippery slope. It creates a culture where everyone wants to identify as a victim because it is rewarded in some way (e.g. public sympathy, punitive damage to an enemy). If we think about it, I'm sure we can all find something that we can identify as a victim about. Psychologically this is poor for building resilience and ultimately happiness. Catastrophic events can make anyone unhappy but these events aside, people can habitually be of happy or unhappy disposition. Habitually Happy people can roll with the stresses of life because they have developed coping skills, take control of their emotions and thoughts and accept their own self-identity. They can therefore move on and be happy. Habitually Unhappy people have learnt to look for others to fix their problems and don't develop self-coping skills. They also have learnt to look to others to affirm their identity rather than be satisfied by their own acceptance of self. Despite all the care to address what can people say to avoid making other people unhappy, western societies are showing declining levels of happiness (record lows) on the World Happiness Index.

The key to making people happy is not to stop others from speaking and cultivate victimhood, it is however, in some part, teaching and learning self-coping skills.
When I was a kid the proverb "sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me" gave me a useful mental tool to cope with others speech. It gave me a sense of power over their speech and self-control to my reactions. These days this proverb is viewed as inappropriate and in some inexplicable way, as justifying hateful speech.

Agree or disagree, I don't care, I respect people's right to free speech and free thought as being good. But, good manners is also good.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

If he called someone the colour black in Spanish is that also a big deal?

* me feel like I didn't do daylight savings correctly and ended up in the 80s/90s

This is a silly first world problem.

I want to say personally I don't swear. Well, I try not to swear but occasionally something drips out.

If the guy is gay and he called him a bundle of stick, that is not the best.
If the guys is not gay, he's just having a go. Any word there could've been put in there.

If the guy is black and he calls him the n word, that is not good.

Hopefully all of you that have a problem with this word who have more than likely used this word before can cancel someone and be a hypocrite at the same time.

 

[Mutha F]

Lol. Big footy is one of the most toxic places on the internet. Yet all the self righteous SJWs who have said appalling things multiple times now are the experts on all things acceptable. Given me a break you hypocritical campaigners

 

[Fizzler]

I just don't care about this one.

He called someone a bundle of sticks, big deal.

The “big deal” is that there’s a certain link in the etymology of the word. A bundle of sticks is flammable. When the word gets thrown around flippantly, people forget that the word is used to draw an equivalency between firewood, and a group of marginalised people who, in the eyes of some, deserve to burn. It’s an abhorrent word to use and I hear it a lot around me which makes me sick, and this is coming from someone who’s as straight as can be.

 

[edgie]

Pictured: A bundle of sticks

Totally harmless, right?
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[Schulzenfest]

This is a silly first world problem.

I want to say personally I don't swear. Well, I try not to swear but occasionally something drips out.

If the guy is gay and he called him a bundle of stick, that is not the best.
If the guys is not gay, he's just having a go. Any word there could've been put in there.

If the guy is black and he calls him the n word, that is not good.

Hopefully all of you that have a problem with this word who have more than likely used this word before can cancel someone and be a hypocrite at the same time.

Would I be right in guessing you're a straight white dude?

Hopefully you'll do some self-reflection and see the irony in calling racism and homophobia a privileged 'first world problem' when you're the one who's privileged enough to not be personally affected by either.

 

[edgie]

Fascinating to see how many people just don't get it. In contrast to racial abuse where I think some real progress has been made (although obviously not solved as a societal issue).

Speaks to the fact that we have a long, long way to go with this problem, especially in sport, and it will be a long time before we have any openly gay players.

The irony of course, is women's sports on the flipside. This issue is definitely more a male issue in western society, but that's another topic.

 

[TeeKray]

Not anymore they're not. And if they still are among your circle, you should find a better circle.

This sort of morale righteousness is a bit much at times. There's a difference between crass and malice. The former should be avoided but the latter is far worse.

In fact, some people would log onto this board and be pretty disgusted by some of the personal and nasty insults directed at club players, coaches and officials - including but not limited to derogatory comments about height, weight, skin, facial features, hair loss, etc. I'd argue the people making these comments aren't exactly coming across as lovely, kind and wonderful people.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

The “big deal” is that there’s a certain link in the etymology of the word. A bundle of sticks is flammable. When the word gets thrown around flippantly, people forget that the word is used to draw an equivalency between firewood, and a group of marginalised people who, in the eyes of some, deserve to burn. It’s an abhorrent word to use and I hear it a lot around me which makes me sick, and this is coming from someone who’s as straight as can be.

I just don't care about things like that.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

Would I be right in guessing you're a straight white dude?

Wrong.

 

[edgie]

Lol. Big footy is one of the most toxic places on the internet. Yet all the self righteous SJWs who have said appalling things multiple times now are the experts on all things acceptable. Given me a break you hypocritical campaigners

You gonna elaborate or this, or just looking to score points with particular people?

 

[edgie]

Wrong.

Well then

 

[Mutha F]

You gonna elaborate or this, or just looking to score points with particular people?

What I said is pretty clear and aimed f at each and everyone of us. Do you want me to name names and give examples, cos I ain't doing that. I think you will all agree I'm no angel on here. But I am definitely not racist or homophobic. But yes I am the type of guy that thinks "what are your pronouns" is ****in ridiculous. I find these days what people say and what they really think are 2 different things. Society is scary

 

[WillemDaDrew]

Bundle of sticks, by most accounts on here

Apologies, I failed cryptic class at high school, so I still have NFI what was said.
Anyway mare…

 

[edgie]

What I said is pretty clear and aimed f at each and everyone of us. Do you want me to name names and give examples, cos I ain't doing that. I think you will all agree I'm no angel on here. But I am definitely not racist or homophobic. But yes I am the type of guy that thinks "what are your pronouns" is *in ridiculous. I find these days what people say and what they really think are 2 different things. Society is scary

I just don't know what particular situation you are thinking is toxic.

You obviously derive a bit of enjoyment from humour that's borderline offensive, but that's ok, so do I. Toxic Avenger is quite funny but I did always prefer part 2. Don't go much on 3 however.

 

[edgie]

It’s pretty straight forward, though.

You can call someone pretty much anything on the field as long as it’s not racist or homophobic.

If Finlayson had said “you’re a dumb c**t who sucks off donkeys” he’s not facing a fine/ban, is he?

Technically speaking, you aren't supposed to religiously vilify either.

 

[Mutha F]

Technically speaking, you aren't supposed to religiously vilify either.

You can. But only if it's a Christian insult. It's called the Sam Kerr rule. It's a very weird situation

 

[tribey]

 

[edgie]

It's a very interesting point. What would you rather be called. Someone who is gay or someone that enjoys a bit of beastiality

Well I am neither but I've definitely been accused of the former more than enough in life, so lets mix it up and go with goat ****er.

Also I don't care if anyone who ****s goats overhears and finds offence, as you should feel bad if you molest animals. It's not appropriate. Nobody should feel bad about having an attraction to the same sex.