Some cold hard facts

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It was easy to walk away from last nights game with a profound sense of disappointment. It struck me however that what we saw last night was a team of boys relatively speaking, playing last years runners up, a team of hardened experienced bodies, ruthlessly determined to make amends for last year.

So this morning I decided to complete an analysis just to see how wide the gap was between the two teams in terms of that experience. Some very interesting comparisons come from this in my opinion and for my part I feel much better about our future.

Prior to last night our 22 had played a combined 1442 games or an average of 65.5 games.

The Saints 22 had played a combined 2308 games or 104.9 games per player.

If you take out of that our two most experienced players, Boomer and Brady, our remaining 20 have played a combined 960 games or 48 games per player.

As opposed to taking out "You can't touch him" Reiwoldt and Milne their remaining 20 have played 1904 games or an average of 95.2 games.

Looking further at the other end of the games played, our 5 least experienced had played a combined 36 games or 7.2 games per player as opposed to their least experienced 139 games or 27.8 games per player.

Taken further our 10 least experienced had played a combined 119 games or 11.9 games per player as opposed to their least experienced 449 games or 44.9 games per player.

On every measure we were "babes in the woods" compared to the Saints. When you add in the fact that our most influential player, Drew, was missing, harder experienced bodies in Pratt, McMahon and Harding were not there to combat the older St. Kilda bodies and Boomer played arguably the worst game of his career, last nights performance is pretty much explainable.

In hindsight there was just no way in the world that we could have competed with them.

But the positives for us out of this is that in the next few years our kids are going to develop and gain that hardness and experience that will make us a very competitive outfit from around 2012 onwards. In contrast the Saints need to win a flag this year or next, and may very well do that.

Beyond then they might see themselves in a trough that will be hard to come out of quickly, given that the GC and GWS will snare all of the talent in the next few drafts.
 
Good post, people need to wake up we can not have it both ways.

Laidley played older bodies and Bigfooty screamed for us to drop the likes of Power and Watt and play the kids for long term gain. Now Scott is doing this, there are complaints we aren't immediately competitive enough.

I'm sorry but wake up Bigfooty, we are 2 years of seriously challenging the likes of St Kilda and Geelong on a regular H&A basis because we are playing an extremely inexperienced side who have played very little football together.

Have some bloody faith that we have long term plans in place, and these kids have talent, they will simply take time to develop, and in the mean time we will take a few beltings from the likes of the Top 4.

For me the real test is next week, playing a relatively young WCE in Mebourne will tell us where the resolve of these boys are at.
 

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Good post Horace, but there is one thing that concerns me. In our first 2 games this year we have been beaten and out of the contest before half time. The fightback last week only covered up some real issues we have.

Port had a lot of kids last week as well, yet smashed us in the first half. The were harder, cleaner and more direct. Last night, it was over at quarter time as a contest.

When your a young side, the reality is we will get over run by the better sides, the bigger bodies and the more skilled. But that does excuse us from being competitive and pushing opposition sides every step of the way. We all said this season was going to have its ups and downs, but despite that we were all positive and looking forward to the ride, because we all thought despite being young and inexperienced, we would be competitive and be able to see signs of the vision Brad Scott wants us to eventually get too.

Im not giving up on us at all, but the fact we have been beaten by half time in both games, young or not, is not good enough and is a huge concern, because at the moment I have no idea what Brads game plan is, and what direction he wants to take us.
 
Facts and positives are:

If we lost by 200pts? we'd have Ziebell

Lose next week? we'd have Ziebell

Finish bottom? we'd have Ziebell

Never win a flag? as long as we have Ziebell, who cares.


Sorry but a summer of reading the love on the these boards anyone would think this guy (no fault of his own) will single handedly rip the saints apart. As much as i love him too, none of it means squat unless we play well as a team.

Id be more interested in the weight difference as we seemed too easily pushed off the ball. The Saints last night were ruthless, their core together a long while now, their hunger very evident along with their physical condition and lets not forget the skills. They were awesome last night, if our guys can just lock that memory in, and set that as our benchmark to aim for in coming years we'd take a positive.
 
Facts and positives are:

If we lost by 200pts? we'd have Ziebell

Lose next week? we'd have Ziebell

Finish bottom? we'd have Ziebell

Never win a flag? as long as we have Ziebell, who cares.


Sorry but a summer of reading the love on the these boards anyone would think this guy (no fault of his own) will single handedly rip the saints apart. As much as i love him too, none of it means squat unless we play well as a team.

Id be more interested in the weight difference as we seemed too easily pushed off the ball. The Saints last night were ruthless, their core together a long while now, their hunger very evident along with their physical condition and lets not forget the skills. They were awesome last night, if our guys can just lock that memory in, and set that as our benchmark to aim for in coming years we'd take a positive.

I'd be more interested in the number of players on the ground as everywhere I looked it was three onto one their way...
 
Too many of you people have been too spoiled for too long.

This is the most inexperienced side we have had on the park since Wayne Schimmelbusch was coach, and in fact it could be the youngest/most inexperienced side we have put on the park in VFL/AFL history.

We are going to get a few touch ups along the way people.

Some of you need to take a few deep breaths.
 
Melbourne lost by a point to Collingwood, with a golden opportunity to win at the death.
Please don't make excuses for the 104 point destruction! The youth is a good reason not to go overboard in terms of sacking players, not an excuse for being completely uncompetitive.
We need to find the right mix of experience and youth, as well as the right chemistry. Players learn more from good structure and competition than from being dismantled.
Don't panic, but don't give them an easy out, either!
 
Cold hard fact?


Worst possible shit we could of dished up, on our first FTA game of the year, a week before we play our first home game of the season, against another bottom eight interstate side.

If you get my drift.
 
Yep, it certainly wasn't a game we'll use to sell memberships!

Notice how quickly the North Ballarat silver lining went onto the website after our debacle? Nice damage control work.

Seems that Edwards and Smith are working well together for the Roosters. Perhaps we should bring both into the senior side.
 
Yep, it certainly wasn't a game we'll use to sell memberships!

Notice how quickly the North Ballarat silver lining went onto the website after our debacle? Nice damage control work.

Seems that Edwards and Smith are working well together for the Roosters. Perhaps we should bring both into the senior side.

Give the Smith stuff a rest :thumbsdown:
 

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Too many of you people have been too spoiled for too long.
Really.

This is not 2000.

This is 2010.

The 1990s was a long time ago.

We have won 1 final in the last 10 years and at no stage have looked like a premiership contender.

Maybe Richmond and Fremantle have been worse, but that isn't saying much.

We have not been spoiled.
 
Really.

This is not 2000.

This is 2010.

The 1990s was a long time ago.

We have won 1 final in the last 10 years and at no stage have looked like a premiership contender.

Maybe Richmond and Fremantle have been worse, but that isn't saying much.

We have not been spoiled.

We have been up for the best part of 20 years mate.

8 top 4 finishes and 13 lots of finals appearances in 19 seasons.

This rebuild was inevitable if we are going to be serious contenders again.
 
Too many of you people have been too spoiled for too long.

This is the most inexperienced side we have had on the park since Wayne Schimmelbusch was coach, and in fact it could be the youngest/most inexperienced side we have put on the park in VFL/AFL history.

We are going to get a few touch ups along the way people.

Some of you need to take a few deep breaths.

Fact is losing by 100+ is not good for the confidence and it doesn't necessarily mean that we are going to end up better for it. I'm starting to get sick of these 100+ hammerings.
 
Fact is losing by 100+ is not good for the confidence and it doesn't necessarily mean that we are going to end up better for it. I'm starting to get sick of these 100+ hammerings.

I agree, but I think we also have to be realistic about where we are at.

There is no way that StKilda are a genuine 100 point better side than us.

There are going to be a few ups and downs over the next couple of seasons.
 
Can't except any excuses for last nights effort, because there wasn't any effort put in to start with.

The Auskick kids would have put in more...
That is a ridiculous statement and you know it.

I disagree that our boys were not putting in any effort.

I will doubtless get shot down for this but I believe that they were trying as hard as their relatively younger bodies would allow them. We were not far from the bench and at each rotation the boys coming off were absolutely spent.

We are putting far too much s*** on our boys and not giving enough credit to the Saints. They were superb last night.

Whatever we think about how the umpires look after Reiwoldt, his performance last night was sensational. He is a one of the greats of the game and he is in his prime right now. The only player in our side who comes near him is Drew and he was sitting in the stand nursing a broken foot.

Goddard is a beauty and unlike some of his mates, performed well in the GF last year, which is the real test of a footballer.

We should not forget that this Saints side could so easily have won the flag last year. They will be driven by the nightmare of getting so near yet falling at the last hurdle.

The whole point of my op was to highlight the enormous gap in experience between the two sides, which counts for so much in football. This group conains a number of young talented players. It will gain experience over the next two to three years and it will be our turn to watch them demolish a St. Kilda outfit that by then or maybe a bit further on has lost its stars and is back in the pack. Mark my words.
 
^^^
Why? Cold hard fact: Hale isn't a FF's tentacle.

Just compare him with the bloke up the other end

I reckon he was about the only North bloke who could look anyone in the eye after last night.

Honestly, no matter how young or inexperienced the team we put out was, or how many guns the opposition has, last night's performance was unacceptable on every single level.

Brent Harvey had five touches. Scott Thompson kicked to an opposition player inside his own defensive 50 three times. Hamish imposded no physical presence on the contest whatsoever. Corey Jones had six touches. Daniel Wells couldn't find a player in a North jumper all night.

They are all either veterans or guys who we should be able to rely upon.
 
Kids are an excuse if we play ok but lose. Last night we were a disgrace.

Our game planof kicking backwards made us look even worse.

The selection committee also need a hard look at themselves dropping Harding and MCMAhon who should be in our best 22.

Anyway the reality is that game is over. This week against WCE we will know where we stand.

1 game does not make a season. Let's hope last night was an one off.

ES
 

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