Southern Football League (Vic) Division 3 Seniors & Reserves 2015

[Rooster 24]

Dannerz, absolutely correct. The Dragons had a strat plan and a vision but that was spat out by the VAFA and now the Dragons have to start again. Watch this space and you will see the SFL again lend support but it will not be financial ..

Please enlighten us all as to how their stat plan and vision was “spat out by the VAFA”? That is just absolute rubbish. The VAFA, like the SFL now and before they made the ill-fated move, bent over backwards to assist them. And they were not lured across to the VAFA. They did so of their own accord believing (as it turned out incorrectly) that a competition where they did not have to compete with paying clubs was a better fit. A few seasons later they come to the conclusion that the travel factor was impacting on their ability to attract players and that a return to a geographical based competition was a better option. While probably the correct decision that has not worked out as they would have liked either.

Remember they did start life in the VAFA as the Club 18 arm of Box Hill North so have changed competitions 3 times now in a short space of time. While their demise is particularly sad it is pointless blaming the affiliate leagues. The constant chopping and changing between competitions surely did not help things.

And while I take your point about the comparison, for reasons that are too long winded to explain here the Dragons situation is nothing at all like the Ajax model.

 

[CobraCod]

Don't care what's happened before dragons got here or after they left or why they left... THEIR BACK, So did they have a strategic plan or 3-5 year plan apon their return or not???? Poor governance at the club is dragons problem, but the decision was made at the SFL to let them return. If they weren't viable the answer should've been no!

plus the AJAX theory is not applicable here. AJAX have money, mixed senior alumni & a JUNIOR PATHWAY (the dragons have none)

SFL needs to smarten up & take care of clubs from div 1 to div 3.... Because forfeits can't continue (reserves & thirds) effects the SFL brand as a whole

 

[perspective]

Please enlighten us all as to how their stat plan and vision was “spat out by the VAFA”? That is just absolute rubbish. The VAFA, like the SFL now and before they made the ill-fated move, bent over backwards to assist them. And they were not lured across to the VAFA. They did so of their own accord believing (as it turned out incorrectly) that a competition where they did not have to compete with paying clubs was a better fit. A few seasons later they come to the conclusion that the travel factor was impacting on their ability to attract players and that a return to a geographical based competition was a better option. While probably the correct decision that has not worked out as they would have liked either.

Remember they did start life in the VAFA as the Club 18 arm of Box Hill North so have changed competitions 3 times now in a short space of time. While their demise is particularly sad it is pointless blaming the affiliate leagues. The constant chopping and changing between competitions surely did not help things.

And while I take your point about the comparison, for reasons that are too long winded to explain here the Dragons situation is nothing at all like the Ajax model.

The VAFA initiated discussions with a high profile ex player that is playing at a very new SFL club and they told the Dragons to forget about what happened at the SFL that they are now in the premier comp and to listen to them and they will be fine - that worked out fine - not!!

The SFL assisted them in many ways when they arrived as a "club" and deserved better. You also missed my point about Ajax, they are a club that restrict playing membership but have done very well, they did not always have a junior infrastructure, they started that up from scratch and that is what the Dragons need to do if they are serious.

 

[Rooster 24]

The VAFA initiated discussions with a high profile ex player that is playing at a very new SFL club and they told the Dragons to forget about what happened at the SFL that they are now in the premier comp and to listen to them and they will be fine - that worked out fine - not!!

The SFL assisted them in many ways when they arrived as a "club" and deserved better. You also missed my point about Ajax, they are a club that restrict playing membership but have done very well, they did not always have a junior infrastructure, they started that up from scratch and that is what the Dragons need to do if they are serious.

Ajax is an entirely different beast and you can draw no comparison to the Dragons. The Maccabi Sports club has been operating successfully for years and as well as AFL it incorporates Basketball, Cricket, Tennis, Athletics and a host of others, with a fair bit of participation cross over between sports. They are also fortunate to have a solid geographical base (Caulfield and surrounds)

The Jewish community has been playing football for generations with some having played at the highest level as far back as the 50s so the game is quite entrenched in their culture. They also have direct entry to their football club at junior and U19 level from structured school football teams from Mt Scopus, King David etc. The junior club even runs buses from Mt Scopus to training! I don’t believe the Asian community has any stand-alone schools and certainly none with football teams that feed directly into their club

And on top of all that Ajax have had a history of very wealthy backers - Smorgon, Pratt, Gandel and other who saw that they did not want for anything.

(And while continuing this debate is probably pointless your first paragraph is utter bulltish!)

 

[Dave g]

Ok enough about southern dragons let's talk about more positive stuff... Can anyone see ashwood getting beaten now? Seem to have hit form....

 

[2s Hack]

The VAFA initiated discussions with a high profile ex player that is playing at a very new SFL club and they told the Dragons to forget about what happened at the SFL that they are now in the premier comp and to listen to them and they will be fine - that worked out fine - not!!

The SFL assisted them in many ways when they arrived as a "club" and deserved better. You also missed my point about Ajax, they are a club that restrict playing membership but have done very well, they did not always have a junior infrastructure, they started that up from scratch and that is what the Dragons need to do if they are serious.

That high profile ex Dragons player (prez) was misguided by the then coach at the time, that a move to the VAFA would be in the best interests for the future of the club. Coach at the time also got players on side to his way of thinking & was voted unaminously.

Moral of the story: probably shouldn't guided by individuals (coaches)on the future of the club who only stay for a relatively short period of time i.e. 1 - 4 years

 

[BigFatFullFWD]

Ok enough about southern dragons let's talk about more positive stuff... Can anyone see ashwood getting beaten now? Seem to have hit form....

Everyone can be beaten

 

[Div3champ15]

Ok enough about southern dragons let's talk about more positive stuff... Can anyone see ashwood getting beaten now? Seem to have hit form....

Well if lyndale won MORRABIN by 24points, I guess anything is possible.

 

[perspective]

Ajax is an entirely different beast and you can draw no comparison to the Dragons. The Maccabi Sports club has been operating successfully for years and as well as AFL it incorporates Basketball, Cricket, Tennis, Athletics and a host of others, with a fair bit of participation cross over between sports. They are also fortunate to have a solid geographical base (Caulfield and surrounds)

The Jewish community has been playing football for generations with some having played at the highest level as far back as the 50s so the game is quite entrenched in their culture. They also have direct entry to their football club at junior and U19 level from structured school football teams from Mt Scopus, King David etc. The junior club even runs buses from Mt Scopus to training! I don’t believe the Asian community has any stand-alone schools and certainly none with football teams that feed directly into their club

And on top of all that Ajax have had a history of very wealthy backers - Smorgon, Pratt, Gandel and other who saw that they did not want for anything.

(And while continuing this debate is probably pointless your first paragraph is utter bulltish!)

You have missed my point Rooter, I am saying that they should try and emulate what Ajax have done and not just bury their heads in the sand and continue to put their hands out for help.
Perhaps you should ask some questions and you will find that my first para is fact, the coach did want a move but the Pres was courted by the VAFA.

 

[localfoots]

Why is it the responsibility of the SFL to give a club like Southern Dragons handouts or any help what so ever if they are struggling? They up and left the league when after they had some success and now they come crawling back on hands and knees and can't even field a 2's ? I'm sorry but if your football club cannot field a full Senior team 1's & 2's then you shouldnt be allowed into the league. For starters it's not fair on every other club that works hard to recruit players and make there club as accommodating as possible for any new players, then you come up against the Dragons and you have to either give them players to have a decent match or abandon the game? Kick them out, or send em all to another club... Kinda like Sandown did to Ashwood

 

[Rooster 24]

You have missed my point Rooter, I am saying that they should try and emulate what Ajax have done and not just bury their heads in the sand and continue to put their hands out for help.
Perhaps you should ask some questions and you will find that my first para is fact, the coach did want a move but the Pres was courted by the VAFA.

This is getting tiresome and apologies to the other posters for laboring this point but your exact words were “The Dragons had a strat plan and a vision but that was spat out by the VAFA and now they have to start again” No matter who at the club agitated for the move it was done of their own free will on the basis they thought (incorrectly) that the VAFA was a better fit for their club profile. Seems things have gone further south since their return but to suggest that is the fault of the VAFA or the SFL is absurd.

Agree with the comment of localfoots. While I’m not sure if they are even asking but for handouts, for the reasons he outlined why should the league prop them up? Plenty of other clubs who have been around a lot longer and have remained loyal to the SFL are also doing it tough. Really hope they survive and proper but had they not spent the last few years jumping between competitions they would be in a much better space.

 

[falc10]

Preferred div3champ15 to this rubbish. Get back into it.mate

 

[Div3champ15]

Can we stop talking about a team that hasn't won a game and has a winning percentage of 35%.

Let's talk about how close the table is and anyone could make finals. Looking at the fixture lyndale have an easy one coming up. I think lyndale have a better chance that ehills.

lol I'm not allowed to comment on black rock anymore I've got told off. Still think we will be first and end up playing in grand final. That's all I'm going to say

You guys all sound like Damian Barrett, all knowledge about the league and vafa/Ajax can you all shut the **** up and change the topic

 

[thechampishere1]

Ok enough about southern dragons let's talk about more positive stuff... Can anyone see ashwood getting beaten now? Seem to have hit form....

Mate no1 has a chance against us now. We have proved to the comp this is going to be our year and have hit top form at a perfect time. Regardless what that !d!0t div3champ says

 

[thechampishere1]

Well if lyndale won MORRABIN by 24points, I guess anything is possible.

I think we play lyndale in 2 weeks. We will bring them back down to earth. At least 50 points

 

[Div3champ15]

I think we play lyndale in 2 weeks. We will bring them back down to earth. At least 50 points

Ok so predictions for this week ?

 

[thechampishere1]

Ok so predictions for this week ?

There will be some blow outs this week, just one close game.

South Yarra over Lyndale by 50 points
Mount over Endeavour by 40 points
Hallam over Sandown by 6 points
Ashwood over Dandenong by 100 points
CPL over Dragons by 250 points
Black Rock over Moorabbin by 30 points

 

[Div3champ15]

There will be some blow outs this week, just one close game.

South Yarra over Lyndale by 50 points
Mount over Endeavour by 40 points
Hallam over Sandown by 6 points
Ashwood over Dandenong by 100 points
CPL over Dragons by 250 points
Black Rock over Moorabbin by 30 points

Lyndale over SY by 12 points
Mount over ehills by 50 points
Ashwood over Dandenong by 120points
Sandow over Hallam by 60 points
Cpl over dragons by 4 digits scoreline ( first time in history )
Black rock over Moorabbin by 60 points

 

[Tiggies1990]

Can we stop talking about a team that hasn't won a game and has a winning percentage of 35%.

Let's talk about how close the table is and anyone could make finals. Looking at the fixture lyndale have an easy one coming up. I think lyndale have a better chance that ehills.

lol I'm not allowed to comment on black rock anymore I've got told off. Still think we will be first and end up playing in grand final. That's all I'm going to say

You guys all sound like Damian Barrett, all knowledge about the league and vafa/Ajax can you all shut the **** up and change the topic

And I thought Ajax was a cleaning product.... I'm learning shitloads on here

 

[AllJ]

ashwood will win every game for the next 10 years and we still are missing everyone of our best 22

 

[perspective]

The SFL has helped out many clubs in the past from St Kilda City through to the Dragons and I would say at least a dozen conservatively have either been or are on payment plans. Dragons need to be working very hard on getting some players into their club as June 30 is approaching.

 

[Dave g]

The SFL has helped out many clubs in the past from St Kilda City through to the Dragons and I would say at least a dozen conservatively have either been or are on payment plans. Dragons need to be working very hard on getting some players into their club as June 30 is approaching.

Can someone pls set up a separate southern dragons fan page or something? Majority don't give a flying fck about the bottom side in the comp....

 

[Pykie]

We've been informed Southern Dragons have forfeited the seniors and reserves tomorrow.

We need this sorted ASAP, as it will ruin the fairness of the competition, especially with an already uneven draw.

 

[JP the Chinaman]

Hi guys, i'm sorry to hijack your forum, i'm not playing div 3 so i shouldn't comment, but someone has been mentioning my role surrounding Dragons and I want to set the facts straight. I was president the year after Dragons flag and move to Div 2, the president before me is self employed and his business was near the city he had very little time to run the club, I was running it with another bloke who put a lot of time into it. That div 2 season saw a large number of senior player turnover, as you can understand we had a core of them and they have lives so they were travelling etc and we lost that, we also lost the senior coach at the time so in late Jan we had to look for a coach. Things got harder from there...the senior coach returned towards end of the season, and at that point the group talked about move to VAFA. There were numerous meetings, votes were taken, there were fors and againsts. As the president, it was my job to do what's right for the club membership, if there was a vote to go to VAFA and it made sense, then I worked to get it done, nothing more nothing less.
When you run a club with minimal support you risk of been worn out, and that's what happened to me, football was harder to enjoy because of organising everything else. I stepped down and moved on. This season my little boy has started U9s and I moved clubs to enjoy my football once again away from administration, and also to be playing in the same jumper as my son, right next door to our house. To a club that I played for back in the 90s.
Something about the Dragons that you all need to understand before you pass judgement, Dragons started so it can get more people involved in our game, it was to give people other wise would be lost to footy a chance to live through what you and I enjoy every winter weekend, in all the years of the Dragons, we have achieved a lot of that, many many young kids, not so young kids who loves watching footy got a chance to play it, and love it even more. Dragons has given Asian Australians a window to peek through to what weekend footy world looks like, and more and more of us are now enjoying footy. AFL football is a great game and should be enjoyed by everyone, Dragons went a long way to promote that. I'm proud of the Dragons for what it did in the community and for football. No Matter What.
Good luck to all of you for the rest of the season, ...greatest game in the world!

 

[Tigersman]

Dragons in recess for the rest of the year