Movie Star Wars - Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker - Spoilers and Rumors

[Gralin]

Talking about the Battle of Endor tho..

Yes lets just pretend cloud city never happened

 

[SM]

Yes lets just pretend cloud city never happened

I really don't know what you're arguing lol.

He was asked how they managed to defeat the Empire when they were against overwhelming odds, he answered. Was he meant to give his entire auto-biography of his involvement?

 

[HahnPremium]

Huh?

Finn flips at the start of the movie after showing no pre-disposition to hating the Resistance, and it was a formative part of his character.

Hux's character, his heritage, and his persona are all built around his hatred for the Republic and his embrace of the First Order ideology. He is presented in TFA as being vitriolic in his hatred of the Republic and the Resistance, and this only grows in TLJ. For him to rival Ren and want to undermine him is absolutely consistent with this, as I said, but actively aiding and boosting the Resistance by rescuing Poe and Finn is not.

What a bizarre strawman.

Agree.
Weve seen Hux addresssing the First Order with all the manicness and belief of Hitler in Nuremberg. A scene which was obviously meant to draw parallels. Cant recall Hitler getting into bed with Churchill to get that scurvy swine Rudolph Hess.

 

[Gralin]

I really don't know what you're arguing lol.

He was asked how they managed to defeat the Empire when they were against overwhelming odds, he answered. Was he meant to give his entire auto-biography of his involvement?

You were suggesting Lando was the most consistent character to his OT days.

He wasn't. They really went 2D on him, no depth.

 

[King Elvis]

Let's not stretch this, his two minute cameo isn't righting any wrongs.

Disagree, he was wise, warm and cheeky - did a lot to correct the piece of shit they turned him into.

 

[King Elvis]

Just because one person says something, doesn't make it true. Obi Wan told Luke that Darth Vader killed his father in ANH. Maybe you should actually watch that sometime

Luke is telling Kylo what Luke believed. He was stuck in the old ways, and saw it as a matter of either choosing between black or white...which is why he ran away. He saw his failure as a failure of the system, when it was simply that he couldn't accept that people make mistakes and that failure is necessary for growth. So all he could talk about is the concepts that he could relate to - the Rebellion, the war, the Jedi. That's why he told Rey that he was wrong to disappear.

Luke and Kylo Ren were two polar opposites - one wanted to be perfect, the other knew he could never live up to that standard no matter how hard he tried. It would have been great if Rey was the chord that struck a balance between the two, which was why she was so powerful in the Force (because she could draw from both sides of it).

Johnson tried to set it up so that the Skywalker saga would end but the war would continue, so there were interesting concepts for future writers to explore in a universe where it was more the motive that determined whether something was good or bad. They even went down the path a little bit in the Mandolorian in the last episode with Baby Yoda in the arm wrestling scene.

Abrams took that and completely destroyed everything for future writers - instead of a peace between two opposing views and a surrender from both, it's complete annihilation of the entire 'evil' caricature side.

The more I think about this movie, the more I hate it. Not because it was particularly bad, but because it's almost as if Abrams took his ball and went home...except it wasn't his ******* ball to begin with.

TLJ was closer to what Lucas actually wanted the sequel trilogy to be about. He wasn't even at the premiere of Rise of Skywalker, while he said that The Last Jedi was 'beautifully made'.



It was never explicitly stated that they were relevant for Rey's generation in TLJ, but the fact that the logo that was on the floor of the first Jedi temple had a meditating person split down the middle with equal parts of black and white implied very strongly that the original Jedi were more about controlling both sides of nature (the destructive and the restorative) rather than trying to burn away one part of themselves.

This is the story that they could have explored in ROS. I would have loved it if they had gone down that path. The prequel trilogy could have been about politics, the original trilogy could have been about the extension of politics into war, and the sequel trilogy could have been about the necessity for both sides to settle their differences and reach a compromise. The three phases of war.

They had a great message that they could have sent to kids who are growing up - that someone having an opposing view to yours doesn't necessarily make them your enemy, and that it's possible to work together for peace - and instead they went down a path that the only way to succeed is to kill everyone who stands in your way.

TLJ was a piece of shit, that's why they corrected most of it in this movie.

Honestly, your ramblings above are as misguided as your footy related ones; there is no way Lucas would like the piece of shit that was TLJ - the fact that you highlight him stating 'it was beautifully made' reinforces that. He doesn't applaud the story or the themes, because they're ****ed, but says it is technically a beautiful film - which even I would agree with.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Agree.
Weve seen Hux addresssing the First Order with all the manicness and belief of Hitler in Nuremberg. A scene which was obviously meant to draw parallels. Cant recall Hitler getting into bed with Churchill to get that scurvy swine Rudolph Hess.

Hitler was in bed with the Royal Family though. Edward VIII was the chosen one.

 

[Coolangatta]

I'm still pissed they killed off Luke. He could have been the one training Rey in 9 instead of Leia, helping the Resistance without necessarily overshadowing Rey and taking away from her importance. Luke could've had a heroic sacrifice at the end of 9. Leia should've had the epic Admiral Holdo send off and TLJ should've ended with a Leia funeral with Luke attending. Leia could've reached out to Ben as a ghost, together with Han.

 

[Crankyhawk]

I thought spice runners ran spices (and possibly other herbs and foodstuff) around

Spice = kessel spice which is drugs

 

[Bostonian]

Not a scratch on her implies that she wasn’t injured. She died which is the greatest injury of all?

Not a scratch on her implies she was involved in a huge amount of violent conflict and didn't shed a drop of blood that I can remember nor sustain any injuries.

You’re making it seem like she skipped through every challenge with ease and unharmed.

In the context of where she began, she did.

She lost the duel to Kylo before Leia intervened and was literally killed in the fight against Palpatine.

She lost the duel but didn't have a scratch on her.

Amazing skills.

 

[Bostonian]

He's blind to anything that doesn't back up his misogyny, just ignore him.

Don't be such a tossbag manbaby.

Grown ups can call out shit characters for shit characters without your lame arse white knighting.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Not a scratch on her implies she was involved in a huge amount of violent conflict and didn't shed a drop of blood that I can remember nor sustain any injuries.




In the context of where she began, she did.



She lost the duel but didn't have a scratch on her.

Amazing skills.

Well, she can force heal. Remember, Rey was powered by not just the Jedi, but Ahsoka and Anakin, too.

 

[Bostonian]

Well, she can force heal. Remember, Rey was powered by not just the Jedi, but Ahsoka and Anakin, too.

That's just making up lame reasons for poor writing.

Luke lost a hand on his journey which was the kind of scene this trilogy could have used big time to make the main hero seem fallible. That didn't happen once in this trilogy.

 

[HahnPremium]

Hitler was in bed with the Royal Family though. Edward VIII was the chosen one.

Dont think Hitler ever sang God save the King tho
Hux might as well have sported a resistance tatoo.
A leopard shouldnt be able to change their swastikas.

 

[SteppingTiger]

Not a scratch on her implies that she wasn’t injured. She died which is the greatest injury of all?

You’re making it seem like she skipped through every challenge with ease and unharmed. She lost the duel to Kylo before Leia intervened and was literally killed in the fight against Palpatine.

I think more shocking is that her clothes stayed white the whole time.

Shit I never wear my mostly white Port Adelaide polo to games as it is guaranteed to wear some sauce from a pie, always wear the black polo.

Rey has some serious instant Napisan treatment going on with her clothes.

As for scratches, I don’t know she looked like she was doing it rough quite a few times, you know, dying and all

 

[Ry009]

Another thing that was disappointing was the lazy score. Anything with Leia/Palpatine/Vader's mask....on top of the overuse of the main theme took me out of the movie. Needed something iconic like Duel of the Fates that the PT had to drive home some key scenes, and that was missing from the entire trilogy.

Despite the dialogue from Kylo rehashing Force Awakens, I did like the scene with Harrison Ford. It actually seemed like he was playing Han rather than a grizzled Harrison Ford.

Didn't mind Zorri either, just wish they could have introduced Poe's history much earlier in the trilogy.

Im also another person who doesn't dislike Hayden Christensen and felt he was let down by a poor script. Really feel like it was a missed opportunity to bring him back in some capacity. Considering the cheese in the film up until that point, I wouldn't have minded having any of the Jedi appear behind Rey while she was defending herself from Palpatine, would have served the dialogue better too IMO.

Eg:

On the Rey front, Daisy did an amazing job with what she had IMO, but her character arc is worthy of criticism. Her power I can accept because of the bloodline, but her story is essentially find out who she is. Rey being seduced by the Dark Side should have been much more prominent on screen and as of equal of importance as finding out her parentage.

FWIW, I'd like to think that her being a Palpatine was always part of the plan as her aggressive style is almost the same as Palpatine in the PT.

 

[Hai_Newman]

I just got back from watching this Kenties and Kentlemens and I must say I'm impressed.

I purposely never watched a spoiler or hardly a trailer so I went in with a blank slate.

Positives and Negatives are as follows...

+'s for me were...

It felt like a Star Wars movie, yah!!

The music shone in all its themes at all the right times, lifted it and was once again noticeable.

The main cast has great chemistry, it was always there, just a pity we only got to see it in the last movie
Great banter between all.

Paid respect to the original characters better this time.

The pacing and editing was really good, fast when it needed livening up.

Dealt with RJ's mess nicely in a timely fashion so we got to enjoy the last couple of hours.

The Emperor was portrayed the best of all the movies, his voice acting was epic IMO

How they handled Leia, it was seamless...brilliant.

Great humour, loved that little campaigner Babu Frik, little kent cracked me up.

Seamless special effects, George would of killed for this tech when making his prequels.

- 's

Some awkward moments but nothing on the scale of the blue milk, Holdo etc

Over powered Universe, seriously how many Destroyers do you need?

also...how many resistance ships do you need?

Reys backhanded grip...Why?

Its over...


Not great, but a fitting end to a bit of a mess of a trilogy that they dug themselves out of.

4/5 stars

 

[Ry009]

The Emperor was portrayed the best of all the movies, his voice acting was epic IMO

His manipulation behind the scenes in the prequels was paced beautifully and the payoff in RoTS was awesome. He's undoubtedly the star of the PT IMO.

 

[edgie]

I think more shocking is that her clothes stayed white the whole time.

Shit I never wear my mostly white Port Adelaide polo to games as it is guaranteed to wear some sauce from a pie, always wear the black polo.

Rey has some serious instant Napisan treatment going on with her clothes.

As for scratches, I don’t know she looked like she was doing it rough quite a few times, you know, dying and all

On this... check out how dirty and ragged the clothes get in Anakin vs Obi-Wan by the end of the duel.

Little things.


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[Hai_Newman]

His manipulation behind the scenes in the prequels was paced beautifully and the payoff in RoTS was awesome. He's undoubtedly the star of the PT IMO.

I saw a Mum usher out her 2 little girls from the cinema when the Emperor was hitting his straps, the poor little girls were 5hitting themselves.

 

[peternorth]

shots of the destroyers seemingly hovering in the air, lightning, darkness, loud music set the tone

 

[Janus]

TLJ was a piece of shit, that's why they corrected most of it in this movie.

Honestly, your ramblings above are as misguided as your footy related ones; there is no way Lucas would like the piece of shit that was TLJ - the fact that you highlight him stating 'it was beautifully made' reinforces that. He doesn't applaud the story or the themes, because they're f’ed, but says it is technically a beautiful film - which even I would agree with.

"As revealed by The Art of Star Wars: The Last Jedi (via Slashfilm), Johnson's movie used many of the concepts Lucas first had in mind for Episode VII, specifically the story of an older, broken Luke training a young, Force-sensitive disciple named Kira (later renamed "Rey").

But Lucas' biggest contribution to The Last Jedi was the Luke/Rey story itself, which he'd originally planned for Episode VII, as confirmed by Lucasfilm Story Group member Pablo Hidalgo on Twitter (via Comicbook.com). The idea played out much like what we saw in Johnson's movie: Luke is down and out on a distant planet thirty years after the fall of the Empire. A new hope named Kira finds the old Jedi Master and they begin her training. We would have seen Luke struggling with his failure to stop the Jedi Killer (renamed "Kylo Ren") from destroying his Jedi Academy. (There's also a really intriguing concept mentioned in The Art of Star Wars: The Last Jedi that suggests that Luke would have been haunted by a Sith ghost during the movie.)

It was screenwriter Michael Arndt's idea to push this story to Episode VIII. While Arndt was eventually replaced by Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan, who co-wrote the final draft of The Force Awakens, he came up with the basic structure of the plot, which involved the search for Luke Skywalker and "a victory lap" for Han Solo, who had always been marked for death in VII, according to The Art of Star Wars: The Last Jedi."

"While The Last Jedi director went in a different direction regarding Luke's fate, he reportedly followed Lucas' original outline for Episode VII pretty closely otherwise, especially when it came to Rey's training with the Jedi Master. Even some of the more controversial bits of The Last Jedi might have come from Lucas before Johnson ever put pen to paper."

Johnson was closer to Lucas' vision than Abrams was. Lucas' daughter once described their belief system as Zen Buddhist, and he agreed that it was a pretty accurate way to describe it.

Lucas showed up to the premiere of The Last Jedi. That's all the endorsement you need. He didn't even bother rocking up to this one because he'd already seen it and he knew it was shit and didn't want people attaching his name to it. Just a retread of things that he had already done better in the past.

I go to the movies to see new stories.

 

[kangle4]

I really enjoyed it and think it's the best of the new trilogy and better than a couple of the prequels.

I would have liked a couple of things to go differently at the end but I think they still did a decent job with it.

 

[HahnPremium]

I go to the movies to see new stories.

Or all 9 episodes of the same story.

 

[Janus]

I think I like this little review chat more than the movie:

Tegan: Theories on how the **** Palpatine was still alive? Dumb takes welcome.

Leah: He fell down the garbage hole and landed in a soft pile of gunk, cushioning the blow.

Chris: I'm fine with that. He's a freaky 1000-year old wizard mother****er. Getting thrown down a shaft doesn't mean he died

Leah: Nobody can contain the **** machine.

Sarah: I want to know who boned that wrinkly dark lord to produce offspring. And how, of course.

Chris: That was my chief question when the credits rolled

Tegan: I mean he was emperor. It's like how people get super into dating prisoners

Leah: Oh, I don't like that.

Tegan: It's true! Some chick was clearly done with the bad boy power thing. Probably thought she could change him

Tegan: It also seems like his son was a soft boi if he didn't ever bother to try and train him like he wanted to with Rey

Leah: Was it his son?

Tegan: Yeah old mate said "son" at one point.

Sarah: I loved the Villanelle cameo tbh.

Sarah: #MakeVillanelleAJedi

Tegan: #MakeVillanelleASith

Sarah: New trilogy with Villanelle assassinating everyone in the galaxy. Get on it, Disney.

Chris: Actually - I seem to recall a bunch of humanoids in vats in Palpatine's lair, so maybe he didn't ****. Rae's mum was a test tube baby.

Tegan: Oh no

Leah: Worse.

Tegan: But it seems like this happened when he was still "alive" probably. **** can we work out the timeline? Cause his son was part of society enough to score a babe like Villanelle

Sarah: Yeah, Rey's like mid-20s, the parents looked about mid-20s/early 30s when they gave her away, meaning Palpatine had spawn about 40 years prior to the movie. But 40 years ago in the movies was the sequel trilogy right? So Palpatine was supposedly dead then?

Chris: Which is, what, around the time of Return Of The Jedi?

Leah: He was definitely wrinkly by then.

Tegan: Okay so then how did his son Doug Palpatine or whatever escape?

Chris: A lot of broad strokes in this backstory

Leah: Weird that the thing we've taken away from this movie is that Palpatine ****s, and that's awful.

Sarah: How are his children so beautiful??? I need to know his secret. Sith juice?

Leah: Don't ever use that phrase again, thanks.

Sarah: Petition to put it in the headline.

Leah: Okay so time to move away from boning the ugly skeleton man.

Sarah: "Palpatine's Sith Juice Is Powerful Stuff".

Tegan: As editor I'll allow it.

Leah: NO.