Movie Star Wars - Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker - Spoilers and Rumors

[Janus]

Rose Tico was a perfectly fine character.

By the by, that’s another theme Abrams could have explored but didn’t - saving what you love instead of destroying what you hate by having Rey choose to save Ben from the pit he gets thrown into instead of going all Iron Man on Palpatine. She doesn’t even give a shit about him when it happens.

It’s like every single choice this movie could have made they chose the wrong one.

 

[Millky95]

I feel like there is a difference between shitting on a character for being bad (Jar Jar, Young Anakin, Rose, Phasma, Bobba Fett to name a few from this franchise alone) and shitting on the actor.

 

[edgie]

Not really. Everything that people reacted negatively to was the things he did different to what had come before. The things people shrug their shoulders at - the throne room, etc. - was the imitations.

But TLJ was not this hugely original movie that largely deviated from classic Star Wars. It just wasn't, and the idea that fanboys only want an OT rehash is false too.


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[quotemokc]

I harbour no ill will towards the actor.

It was a terrible character, but the actor still got their $$$.

 

[quotemokc]

But TLJ was not this hugely original movie that largely deviated from classic Star Wars. It just wasn't, and the idea that fanboys only want an OT rehash is false too.


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I have always wanted an original story.

Hence why I was apprehensive about the time period of this trilogy and The Mandalorian, its still way to close to the OT timeline.

 

[edgie]

Rose Tico was a perfectly fine character.

By the by, that’s another theme Abrams could have explored but didn’t - saving what you love instead of destroying what you hate by having Rey choose to save Ben from the pit he gets thrown into instead of going all Iron Man on Palpatine. She doesn’t even give a shit about him when it happens.

It’s like every single choice this movie could have made they chose the wrong one.

Rey was still unconscious at the time


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[Exe Gesis]

the PT created a linear story to the OT. I felt the ST ought to have followed that linear story...instead it just copy-pasted the OT, rebooting something that didnt need rebooting. thats the error with current hollywood -- rebooting franchises with a woke agenda to upset the neckbeards (found a way to tie both those words together).

 

[JackOutback]

I harbour no ill will towards the actor.

It was a terrible character, but the actor still got their $$$.

Getting paid doesn’t detract from the real world racism and abuse she copped. Like Jake Lloyd before. Star Wars fans can be shitty people.

JJ deserves some criticism to pandering to those shitty fans and writing her out. If he didn’t like how she was written, then write her better. One of many cowardly directorial decisions he made.

 

[Exe Gesis]

a more linear natural story for the ST would've still been the First Order...a remnant of the Empire, like Nazis escaping around the world, Nazis given citizenship to the two big super powers. but not where the FO was a powerful entity like the Empire. you could then find a way for luke leias and hans story to go within that, without having to create another desert orphan etc.

 

[Tbonefreo]

i always try to be as honest as possible

Where can I watch your videos? Good review btw

 

[Exe Gesis]

Where can I watch your videos? Good review btw

theres nothing great about my videos, theres only a few reviews of movies/shows and a bunch of very weird trollish one

YouTube

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[Toump Ass]

A pretty awful one, feel pretty bad for the actress who was just trying to do her job.

I thought it was fantastic.

Throw the asian in the bin .Turn the black guy into comedy relief. Invent a random woman for the guy who wanted his character to be gay. Have the FORCE IS FEMALE lead saved by the abusive male with a crush on her. Throw in a token girl-on-girl pash at the end.

What a cluster****.

Nice one Disney!

 

[GreyCrow]

Rose Tico was a perfectly fine character.

By the by, that’s another theme Abrams could have explored but didn’t - saving what you love instead of destroying what you hate by having Rey choose to save Ben from the pit he gets thrown into instead of going all Iron Man on Palpatine. She doesn’t even give a shit about him when it happens.

It’s like every single choice this movie could have made they chose the wrong one.

i had hoped this was going to be the theme of the movie - one of the drivers of rebellion is that the victors destroy the previous model without consideration of those left behind. Destroying doesnt convince someone to change sides or come to the rescue

if they explored that theme - even a little bit - then the ''save'' at the end would have had more impact. Instead it felt ( and I did expect it and wait for it) like ticking off a movie trope box rather than any emotional desire by the casual person on the planet.

 

[Janus]

Rey was still unconscious at the time


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Which was a creative decision designed to ensure she didn't have to make a decision between saving Ben or killing Palpatine. There was a perfect moment for a big payoff where Rey saves Ben and they take Palpatine down together Anakin/Obi-Wan style (and it would have be epic if this was the case that Rey was a Kenobi) - then you'd have a whole tie back to the prequels. You could have even had Rey and Ben using their teleporting Force power in a fight scene to pass lightsabers back and forth between each other when taking out the Knights of Ren (who you could actually make epic and not the lame duck enemies that Abrams constructed).

This is what I mean by the movie just being safe. It's like they were so scared of potential backlash with their decisions that they wound up making the least amount of decisions they could. There were countless things they could have done and they just bottled it.

It's just not very good.

 

[Moti]

a more linear natural story for the ST would've still been the First Order...a remnant of the Empire, like Nazis escaping around the world, Nazis given citizenship to the two big super powers. but not where the FO was a powerful entity like the Empire. you could then find a way for luke leias and hans story to go within that, without having to create another desert orphan etc.

If there is one thing you can take from these films, it is that you needed a new group of heroes for a new generation. Kids weren’t going to be following 60 year olds for the trilogy. They like to see themselves on the screen or people they want to be. It needed a new Luke, Leia and Han and I for one think that they did this exceptionally well.


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[Janus]

"When your movie opens to $177.3M, it’s usually hard to call that a disappointment. But Disney’s Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker came in at the absolute bottom range of pre-release projections, noticeably below its Saturday weekend estimate, and well below its predecessors’ openings.

Rise opened -28.4% behind the trilogy’s original installment The Force Awakens and -19.3% behind predecessor The Last Jedi. Unadjusted for inflation, Rise is the 12th-biggest opening weekend ever, down from third- and fourth-biggest for Force and Last.

Rise also started near the bottom range of pre-release projections, most of which were around $190M. (On one popular box office prediction website, the lowest that any user predicted was $175M, only slightly below the actual result.)

Lastly, it debuted below the $185M to $195M range suggested by its $90M opening Friday. Indeed, its 1.97x weekend-to-Friday multiple was noticeably lower than 2.08x for Force and 2.10x for Last. This implies poor word of mouth caused a sharp dropoff after opening night.

Globally, the film debuted with $375.3M. That’s -29.0% behind Force and -16.7% behind Last. Unadjusted for inflation, it’s the 17th biggest global opening ever, behind 4th- and 8th-biggest for Force and Last."

20% down on TLJ. Poor word of mouth.

At some point, people are going to realise that the general movie public liked TLJ better than ROS. If Disney wanted an endorsement for the new Rian Johnson trilogy, they will have no better advertising campaign than the Rise of Skywalker.

 

[skipjack]

Which was a creative decision designed to ensure she didn't have to make a decision between saving Ben or killing Palpatine. There was a perfect moment for a big payoff where Rey saves Ben and they take Palpatine down together Anakin/Obi-Wan style (and it would have be epic if this was the case that Rey was a Kenobi) - then you'd have a whole tie back to the prequels. You could have even had Rey and Ben using their teleporting Force power in a fight scene to pass lightsabers back and forth between each other when taking out the Knights of Ren (who you could actually make epic and not the lame duck enemies that Abrams constructed).

I'll pay that. That would have been epic

 

[Moti]

"When your movie opens to $177.3M, it’s usually hard to call that a disappointment. But Disney’s Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker came in at the absolute bottom range of pre-release projections, noticeably below its Saturday weekend estimate, and well below its predecessors’ openings.

Rise opened -28.4% behind the trilogy’s original installment The Force Awakens and -19.3% behind predecessor The Last Jedi. Unadjusted for inflation, Rise is the 12th-biggest opening weekend ever, down from third- and fourth-biggest for Force and Last.

Rise also started near the bottom range of pre-release projections, most of which were around $190M. (On one popular box office prediction website, the lowest that any user predicted was $175M, only slightly below the actual result.)

Lastly, it debuted below the $185M to $195M range suggested by its $90M opening Friday. Indeed, its 1.97x weekend-to-Friday multiple was noticeably lower than 2.08x for Force and 2.10x for Last. This implies poor word of mouth caused a sharp dropoff after opening night.

Globally, the film debuted with $375.3M. That’s -29.0% behind Force and -16.7% behind Last. Unadjusted for inflation, it’s the 17th biggest global opening ever, behind 4th- and 8th-biggest for Force and Last."

20% down on TLJ. Poor word of mouth.

At some point, people are going to realise that the general movie public liked TLJ better than ROS. If Disney wanted an endorsement for the new Rian Johnson trilogy, they will have no better advertising campaign than the Rise of Skywalker.

It is only down 10% here. Lets wait and see how the next couple of weeks go. US timing is a little hard to gauge right now but they would have hoped for more. I think average people are sick of Star wars and all the negativity regardless of quality.

 

[Exe Gesis]

If there is one thing you can take from these films, it is that you needed a new group of heroes for a new generation. Kids weren’t going to be following 60 year olds for the trilogy. They like to see themselves on the screen or people they want to be. It needed a new Luke, Leia and Han and I for one think that they did this exceptionally well.


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Good points. Agree that it needed new heroes. But there wasn't a need to soft-reboot the OT in essence. Playing the same beats, using the same lines, aping the same scenes. There was a way to keep the linear narrative moving forward. I mean also beyond characters, the state of the galaxy.

The OT was all about an existing Empire and a band of Rebels bringing it down.
The PT was telling the story of what existed before the Empire, how the mastermind Sith played everyone to gain that power and how he manipulated Anakin into becoming Vader.

A linear narrative now existed. So the ST should've thought better of "what happened next".

 

[Brick Loosener]

If JJ and RJ wrote this trilogy together need to go down in history as the worst writers of all time.

 

[Exe Gesis]

I look back and remember the time around each of the Disney era SW. I reckon you all had the same experience in your various city locations...

TFA...theaters were packed, session after session, people on the street talked SW, excited to see it.
R1...theaters were almost packed, session after session, people on the street still talked SW, excited to see this next one.
TLJ....theaters were packed initially, but the return sessions started dropping off more once word of mouth spread about how bad TLJ was.
SOLO....theaters were largely empty.
TROS....theaters were at most half the size of TLJ, and return sessions largely empty (when i saw it), also people on the street no longer talk SW, and being excited to see it.

 

[SM]

I feel like there is a difference between shitting on a character for being bad (Jar Jar, Young Anakin, Rose, Phasma, Bobba Fett to name a few from this franchise alone) and shitting on the actor.

And this is the latter.. as it was with Jar Jar and Anakin..

Also, who has shit on Boba Fett for being a bad character?

 

[SM]

But TLJ was not this hugely original movie that largely deviated from classic Star Wars. It just wasn't, and the idea that fanboys only want an OT rehash is false too.


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Who said it was? I'm merely saying that it had more original elements than TFA did.

 

[SM]

"When your movie opens to $177.3M, it’s usually hard to call that a disappointment. But Disney’s Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker came in at the absolute bottom range of pre-release projections, noticeably below its Saturday weekend estimate, and well below its predecessors’ openings.

Rise opened -28.4% behind the trilogy’s original installment The Force Awakens and -19.3% behind predecessor The Last Jedi. Unadjusted for inflation, Rise is the 12th-biggest opening weekend ever, down from third- and fourth-biggest for Force and Last.

Rise also started near the bottom range of pre-release projections, most of which were around $190M. (On one popular box office prediction website, the lowest that any user predicted was $175M, only slightly below the actual result.)

Lastly, it debuted below the $185M to $195M range suggested by its $90M opening Friday. Indeed, its 1.97x weekend-to-Friday multiple was noticeably lower than 2.08x for Force and 2.10x for Last. This implies poor word of mouth caused a sharp dropoff after opening night.

Globally, the film debuted with $375.3M. That’s -29.0% behind Force and -16.7% behind Last. Unadjusted for inflation, it’s the 17th biggest global opening ever, behind 4th- and 8th-biggest for Force and Last."

20% down on TLJ. Poor word of mouth.

At some point, people are going to realise that the general movie public liked TLJ better than ROS. If Disney wanted an endorsement for the new Rian Johnson trilogy, they will have no better advertising campaign than the Rise of Skywalker.

Wasn't there a website reporting it broke Endgame numbers of pre-sales?

 

[Moti]

I look back and remember the time around each of the Disney era SW. I reckon you all had the same experience in your various city locations...

TFA...theaters were packed, session after session, people on the street talked SW, excited to see it.
R1...theaters were almost packed, session after session, people on the street still talked SW, excited to see this next one.
TLJ....theaters were packed initially, but the return sessions started dropping off more once word of mouth spread about how bad TLJ was.
SOLO....theaters were largely empty.
TROS....theaters were at most half the size of TLJ, and return sessions largely empty (when i saw it), also people on the street no longer talk SW, and being excited to see it.

Had full theatres for both TROS sessions so far, going again Saturday. Nothing beats TFA other than EndGame for traffic volume.


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