Stats questions

[emuboy]

Indeed, now the new season is upon us his ability to answer just about any question on this forum is missed more than ever. He had a unique and comprehensive database, and in my case always came up with an answer.

It would be great if the redoubtable Michael Rogers, owner of the fascinating footy stats website Rogers Results could come on here as he has in the past. Indeed anyone with an eye for interesting and amazing stats and coincidences would do well to peruse his site. I find it compelling reading, even if Geelong loses, and he generally has it updated for the completion of each round on the day after the last game is played.

Ron the Bear was amazing and sadly missed.

One could ask the most obscure question - for example the player who played the most games without playing against a particular opposing club or the player who played least games but met all opposing teams in his career - and he would have an answer so quick. I don't know how he did it.

 

[JuniorWatch]

Does anyone know where to find a breakdown of how long a player has spent in what areas of the ground during a game?
Basically a heat map, but in data terms

 

[North park]

Top 10 biggest comebacks over the last 10 years as far as margin at quarter time, half time and three quarter.

Can only find these but they are all-time and include games where teams used to kick 125 points each.

Looking at the tables in the link (both biggest comebacks and highest losing scores) I was a bit surprised by the high quarter scores by losing teams.

For example, in the famous 2001 comeback game, North Melbourne kicked 12.1.73 in the first quarter but still lost the match. There are other instances of teams kicking 10 goals in a quarter and still losing.

What is the record score for each quarter by teams that ultimately lost?

 

[WheeloRatings]

Are free kicks way up this year? Or does it just seem to be that way given the coverage certain interpretations are getting?

The average number of free kicks per game is higher this year compared to the first six rounds of any of the past 10 seasons.

Average free kicks per game, by season

Season	Average (Season)	Average (Rounds 1-6)
2012​	37.9​	38.4​
2013​	36.1​	41.9​
2014​	33.4​	32.9​
2015​	36.3​	38.1​
2016​	37.6​	40.2​
2017​	37.6​	38.0​
2018​	41.1​	42.5​
2019​	37.7​	38.8​
2020​	32.1​	34.0​
2021​	38.2​	41.1​
2022​		44.6​

Average free kicks per game, 2012 to Round 6 2022, by round

Round	Average
Round 1	40.8​
Round 2	40.2​
Round 3	39.5​
Round 4	39.3​
Round 5	37.5​
Round 6	37.5​
Round 7	35.1​
Round 8	36.5​
Round 9	36.1​
Round 10	35.6​
Round 11	34.6​
Round 12	34.7​
Round 13	36.4​
Round 14	35.3​
Round 15	36.1​
Round 16	37.1​
Round 17	37.9​
Round 18	36.2​
Round 19	37.3​
Round 20	36.8​
Round 21	38.1​
Round 22	37.1​
Round 23	35.2​
Finals Week 1	36.7​
Semi Finals	37.5​
Preliminary Finals	37.6​
Grand Final	31.6​

 

[RedmanWasHere]

WheeloRatings.

Are you now Ron The Bear's successor?

 

[WheeloRatings]

Looking at the tables in the link (both biggest comebacks and highest losing scores) I was a bit surprised by the high quarter scores by losing teams.

For example, in the famous 2001 comeback game, North Melbourne kicked 12.1.73 in the first quarter but still lost the match. There are other instances of teams kicking 10 goals in a quarter and still losing.

What is the record score for each quarter by teams that ultimately lost?

Highest first quarter scores by losing teams

Year	Team	Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4	Total	Against	Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4	Total
2001​	North Melbourne	73​	24​	39​	23​	159​	Essendon	15​	61​	46​	49​	171​
1978​	Richmond	64​	1​	30​	22​	117​	Fitzroy	19​	47​	22​	46​	134​
1934​	North Melbourne	62​	14​	29​	11​	116​	Melbourne	15​	57​	13​	33​	118​
1960​	North Melbourne	61​	2​	8​	12​	83​	Essendon	14​	33​	18​	33​	98​
1940​	Melbourne	60​	29​	30​	32​	151​	Geelong	44​	50​	29​	31​	154​
2009​	Port Adelaide	60​	4​	25​	3​	92​	Brisbane	20​	27​	33​	27​	107​

Highest second quarter scores by losing teams

Year	Team	Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4	Total	Against	Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4	Total
1983​	Fitzroy	16​	78​	14​	30​	138​	St Kilda	48​	43​	37​	21​	149​
1973​	Western Bulldogs	16​	64​	14​	14​	108​	Hawthorn	39​	10​	41​	34​	124​
1976​	Essendon	12​	64​	12​	12​	100​	Fitzroy	29​	19​	24​	38​	110​
1991​	North Melbourne	26​	64​	18​	39​	147​	Fitzroy	47​	46​	23​	32​	148​
1991​	Sydney	57​	63​	14​	0​	134​	North Melbourne	37​	53​	42​	56​	188​

Highest third quarter scores by losing teams

Year	Team	Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4	Total	Against	Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4	Total
1984​	North Melbourne	29​	38​	70​	15​	152​	Fitzroy	50​	41​	33​	42​	166​
1993​	Melbourne	13​	19​	67​	14​	113​	Brisbane	24​	34​	24​	33​	115​
2000​	Brisbane	16​	16​	66​	14​	112​	Carlton	39​	59​	29​	29​	156​
1942​	Melbourne	27​	13​	64​	13​	117​	Richmond	26​	66​	24​	80​	196​
1964​	Fitzroy	21​	0​	63​	1​	85​	Western Bulldogs	0​	47​	6​	40​	93​
1989​	Fitzroy	22​	10​	63​	27​	122​	Carlton	34​	63​	26​	36​	159​

Highest fourth quarter scores by losing teams

Year	Team	Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4	Total	Against	Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4	Total
1992​	Essendon	2​	22​	7​	67​	98​	Fitzroy	30​	35​	60​	25​	150​
1980​	Fitzroy	23​	18​	39​	62​	142​	Carlton	35​	30​	66​	15​	146​
1989​	North Melbourne	19​	38​	15​	62​	134​	Richmond	45​	14​	59​	53​	171​
1978​	Geelong	20​	24​	23​	59​	126​	Melbourne	55​	32​	27​	25​	139​
1980​	Western Bulldogs	20​	23​	13​	57​	113​	Fitzroy	25​	23​	46​	31​	125​
1983​	Essendon	28​	7​	15​	57​	107​	North Melbourne	33​	37​	34​	24​	128​

 

[WheeloRatings]

WheeloRatings.

Are you now Ron The Bear's successor?

Haha, I can't live up to that!

 

[stemline]

Only 4 of the 18 AFL sides kicked more behinds than goals in Rnd 7... How does that compare historically?

 

[the croucher]

Only 4 of the 18 AFL sides kicked more behinds than goals in Rnd 7... How does that compare historically?

2012 was first year 18 teams played.

Round 2 that year had only four sides kicking more behinds than goals, and then in Round 3 only three sides did so.

AFL Tables - 2012 Season Scores

 

[Confucius]

Hey stats lovers

Can anyone tell me what David King meant on First Crack when he said "Freo are 12th with the footy"?

Is this just a clever way of talking about team average insde 50s per game? Or does someone know if this is an actual stat?

Thanks

 

[emuboy]

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is filling in as West Coast Eagles coach this evening, this the first time he has coached at senior level since coaching Essendon against the Western Bulldogs in the final round of the 2010 AFL season. That match was played on 28 August 2010, making it close to 12 years or 4270 days ago.

Has there ever been such a long gap between senior games coached in the AFL/VFL either as a full time coach or as a caretaker coach before this?

 

[X_box_X]

Matthew Knights is filling in as West Coast Eagles coach this evening, this the first time he has coached at senior level since coaching Essendon against the Western Bulldogs in the final round of the 2010 AFL season. That match was played on 28 August 2010, making it close to 12 years or 4270 days ago.

Has there ever been such a long gap between senior games coached in the AFL/VFL either as a full time coach or as a caretaker coach before this?

That is a sensational question.

 

[Falconista]

Matthew Knights is filling in as West Coast Eagles coach this evening, this the first time he has coached at senior level since coaching Essendon against the Western Bulldogs in the final round of the 2010 AFL season. That match was played on 28 August 2010, making it close to 12 years or 4270 days ago.

Has there ever been such a long gap between senior games coached in the AFL/VFL either as a full time coach or as a caretaker coach before this?

John Cahill in V/AFL: coached Collingwood in 1984 and not again until Port Adelaide in 1997. (He continually coached SANFL inbetween though).

 

[35Daicos]

Matthew Knights is filling in as West Coast Eagles coach this evening, this the first time he has coached at senior level since coaching Essendon against the Western Bulldogs in the final round of the 2010 AFL season. That match was played on 28 August 2010, making it close to 12 years or 4270 days ago.

Has there ever been such a long gap between senior games coached in the AFL/VFL either as a full time coach or as a caretaker coach before this?

AFL Tables - Coaches

Jack Titus had a 24-year gap (1941-1965 at Richmond).
Tommy Lahiff a 21-year gap.
Dick Harris 20 years.
Bill Findlay 18 years.
Frank Hughes 17 years.
Charlie Cameron 16 years.
Roy Cazaly 15 years.
Herbie Matthews 15 years.
John Cahill 13 years.
Alec Hall 12 years.
Johnny Leonard 11 years.
Percy Parratt 11 years.
Bob Rose 10 years.
Charlie Sutton 10 years.

 

[Bob Neil]

I'm sure you've all seen score timelines (aka the 'worm') on the AFL.com.au website (like the one below).

Does anyone know (i) when these timelines started being used (ii) are the old ones still available and (iii) whether these timelines have been converted to some form of statistical table that can then be accessed? That combination of the team scores, margin and time for every point in a match then aggregated across all games could throw up some brilliant statistical information and help quantify concepts like 'the importance of momentum'. Love to find it if it exists!

 

[Cuzz09]

Yeah I like those charts.

On SM-G925I using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I'm sure you've all seen score timelines (aka the 'worm') on the AFL.com.au website (like the one below).
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Does anyone know (i) when these timelines started being used (ii) are the old ones still available and (iii) whether these timelines have been converted to some form of statistical table that can then be accessed? That combination of the team scores, margin and time for every point in a match then aggregated across all games could throw up some brilliant statistical information and help quantify concepts like 'the importance of momentum'. Love to find it if it exists!

The URL for that game above is as follows - I have split it in 2 so that you can see it. delete the gap before matches

https://www.afl.com.au/afl/ matches/3873

You can change the 3873 to get other games, but at some point they start adding preseason games, AFLW games and now VFL games once it was expanded to include teams from the NEAFL.

You can't do it on your app. I tried to do it last year but found nothing.

The first game they have this for is Rd 1 2012 Melbourne v Brisbane, think there are only 6 of the 9 games of Rd 1, but the first 50 or 60 are a bit dodgy with games missing and double ups. Might be the same later on but i havent checked all 3873+ games.


https://www.afl.com.au/afl/ matches/1

AFL - News, Fixtures, Scores & Results - AFL.com.au

Australian Football League. All the latest AFL news, video, results and information

www.afl.com.au

 

[RedmanWasHere]

The first game they have this for is Rd 1 2012 Melbourne v Brisbane, think there are only 6 of the 9 games of Rd 1, but the first 50 or 60 are a bit dodgy with games missing and double ups. Might be the same later on but i havent checked all 3873+ games.

They used to have worms from 2001-2011.

 

[Cuzz09]

Would love to see the score worm when we beat Geelong @ Kardinia Park in 06.

54 points down half way through the 3rd qtr.



On SM-G925I using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[WheeloRatings]

Would love to see the score worm when we beat Geelong @ Kardinia Park in 06.

54 points down half way through the 3rd qtr.



On SM-G925I using BigFooty.com mobile app

While not a score worm as such, you can see the score progression for that match on AFL Tables:

AFL Tables - Geelong v West Coast - Sat, 3-Jun-2006 2:10 PM - Match Stats

 

[Cuzz09]

Amazing.

The only comparison to the modern day is the fact we're always down by 54 points at some point



On SM-G925I using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Bob Neil]

The URL for that game above is as follows - I have split it in 2 so that you can see it. delete the gap before matches

https://www.afl.com.au/afl/ matches/3873

You can change the 3873 to get other games, but at some point they start adding preseason games, AFLW games and now VFL games once it was expanded to include teams from the NEAFL.

You can't do it on your app. I tried to do it last year but found nothing.

The first game they have this for is Rd 1 2012 Melbourne v Brisbane, think there are only 6 of the 9 games of Rd 1, but the first 50 or 60 are a bit dodgy with games missing and double ups. Might be the same later on but i havent checked all 3873+ games.


https://www.afl.com.au/afl/ matches/1

AFL - News, Fixtures, Scores & Results - AFL.com.au

Australian Football League. All the latest AFL news, video, results and information

www.afl.com.au

Thanks RussellEbertHandball !

 

[Bob Neil]

While not a score worm as such, you can see the score progression for that match on AFL Tables:

AFL Tables - Geelong v West Coast - Sat, 3-Jun-2006 2:10 PM - Match Stats

Thanks WheeloRatings ! Now just need to convert that into a meaningful dataset that can be analysed...

 

[RedmanWasHere]

There are also scoreworms here. (2001-19 inclusive.)

ScoreWorm - InsightLane

All data on this page comes thanks to AFL Tables.

insightlane.com

 

[WheeloRatings]

There are also scoreworms here. (2001-19 inclusive.)

ScoreWorm - InsightLane

All data on this page comes thanks to AFL Tables.

insightlane.com

Yes, I forgot they had that dashboard.

InsightLane (https://twitter.com/insightlane) has also posted some analysis on Twitter. E.g.: