Stephen Coniglio first captain in 22 years to be dropped

[G String]

Is it then disciplinary?

Possibly - but more likely just not playing the way Cameron wants him to. It’s just a massive move to drop the skipper - he’s not just another player, he is the leader and someone the rest of the team should be looking up to and listening to - what sort of message does this send to the rest of the team? It must be desperation stakes for Cameron to have made this move


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[pablo668]

Steve won his first wafl premiership with bog as a 16 year old

Actually, I think you'll find that game never happened.

 

[Orange Agent]

As in Coniglio dropped himself?...

yeah I don’t reckon many players would do that..

He would.

 

[hawkman]

Managed a week after not getting near it. The new age of dropping and protecting feelings. Exactly what gws should have done.

Disagree, it sends a message to the rest of the group if you don't perform no one is safe from being dropped

 

[Damon_3388]

Dropped, or "managed"?

He's played every game so far this season, averaging 87.5% gametime, and Saturday will be the Giant's 4th game in 14 days. Perhaps he just needs a breather, to be cherry ripe for the final game and the finals?

 

[Gavin Excell]

Possibly - but more likely just not playing the way Cameron wants him to. It’s just a massive move to drop the skipper - he’s not just another player, he is the leader and someone the rest of the team should be looking up to and listening to - what sort of message does this send to the rest of the team? It must be desperation stakes for Cameron to have made this move


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Yep or there is some sort of power play going on

 

[tonygeeks]

I think this is Cameron's last play - this has probably been hanging over Coniglios head for most of the year - there's probably been ultimatums for several weeks and has now come to the crunch. Cameron must have lost lost complete faith in him to do this. This is not a line in the sand moment - its past that - its a full admission of failure. Once the faith is lost he may as well pack his bags. Will not be captain next year and will probably be traded.

Another 6yrs @ 6m though it almost makes him un-tradeable , no club could pay 50% of a 1mil contract for 6yrs for a player to play for some one else surely


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[Turnover]

Disagree, it sends a message to the rest of the group if you don't perform no one is safe from being dropped

Keep that in house. Cuts out all the media crap. I see your point though.

 

[TerryWallet]

Makes for a dramatic conclusion to his Amazon Doco i suppose.

 

[yeahmate]

Paying him big $$$ to stay might really hurt them retaining their others stars within the salary cap going forward.

Oh wait...GWS...nahhhh

 

[G String]

Another 6yrs @ 6m though it almost makes him un-tradeable , no club could pay 50% of a 1mil contract for 6yrs for a player to play for some one else surely

Yep or there is some sort of power play going on

Yeah you're right it puts them all in a really shit position - which makes it even more surprising they've gone down this path. I'm not sure how the contract works - there must be an option for a mutual agreement to break the contract. If your coach has lost confidence there's not much point staying - no mater how much you're earning. Big call but not sure what his other options are? You could say he should just pull the finger out and play the way Cameron wants - but why hasn't he already done this?

 

[BigRex]

Who was the last one dropped?

Fun Friday game, when have captains been dropped by their club?

From the Eagles I think Malaxos might have been by Malthouse, Worsfold was omitted from a final in his last year as a player I think...

Tom Morris from Fox Footy got it wrong.

Richie Vandenberg was the Hawks cap

I read John Worsfold in 1998.

Tom Morris from Fox Footy got it wrong.

Hawks captain Richie Vanderberg between 2005-07 was dropped twice during the 2007 season. He played 5 games in the Hawthorn reserves (Box Hill) due to poor form.

Tony Shaw made a comment on radio saying Vandenberg wasn't in the Hawks best 22. Craig Hutchison made a few comments too which resulted in Alastair Clarkson clashing with him after a game.

Other captains dropped due to poor form.

Worsfold in the 1st QF 1998
Gary Ayres in 1993
Steve Malaxos in 1990

 

[RichLeMonde]

Maybe it is something to do with the AFL and Gil coming in to veto the arrangement that Cogs had to come to Hawthorn...
You get the feeling that he doesn't want to be there - maybe its the team, or the coach, or the city. But something doesn't seem quite right.

It's weird though because I'm sure I read that when he was made captain Cameron and team mooted him sharing the role and he flatly stated that if he couldn't be the solo captain he wouldn't do it at all. Don't want to stick the boot in to a struggling team and player but maybe he's just... a campaigner?

 

[sprockets]

Maybe if Cameron played him in the guts for more than half the game before moaning about how sh*t his midfield are going.

Utter buffoon.

That's a chimp, not a buffoon.

 

[L_W_P]

Was always very strange that he was made the sole skipper right after signing his Godfather offer.

Something stinks here...

 

[RichLeMonde]

"Champion Data ranks Coniglio 64th out of the 76 midfielders to have played five or more games in 2020", from new.com.au

 

[PAFC_1870]

Dustin Martin says hi

Point?, he's had his ups and downs. was arguably up the most around the signing time...

 

[theyellowsash]

thats what the club gets for making him captain as part of his huge contract. real leaders dont need to demand being made captain under the threat of leaving, if he was the right man he would have been made captain anyway. now theyre stuck with bloke who is captain for the money, rather than one who earnt it by setting an example on and off the field. its no surprise that they were a harder team under the leadership of ward and davis. theyve always looked like a club which was a collection of talented individuals rather than a team, and that appears to have been made even worse now that they are under a captain who embodies that.

wouldnt be surprised if they look a better team this week and gws will have a hard decision whether he even deserved a recall.

 

[theyellowsash]

Thanks for clarification. Was thinking Ben "managed" Stratton could have qualified but was wondering how long it had taken for a captain to get dropped. Big statement.

that just says more about what the wider footy public thinks of stratton than anything else. almost any other captain gets randomly 'managed' after not having any serious injury concerns and there would be a lot of talk about it.

 

[Jobe Watson]

"Champion Data ranks Coniglio 64th out of the 76 midfielders to have played five or more games in 2020", from new.com.au

There's no way that's real. Coniglio has been down on his usual standards but he hasn't been diabolically awful. His form up until R10 was pretty good bar a shocker vs. Collingwood.

 

[Farang83150]

thats what the club gets for making him captain as part of his huge contract. real leaders dont need to demand being made captain under the threat of leaving, if he was the right man he would have been made captain anyway. now theyre stuck with bloke who is captain for the money, rather than one who earnt it by setting an example on and off the field. its no surprise that they were a harder team under the leadership of ward and davis. theyve always looked like a club which was a collection of talented individuals rather than a team, and that appears to have been made even worse now that they are under a captain who embodies that.

wouldnt be surprised if they look a better team this week and gws will have a hard decision whether he even deserved a recall.

"demand being made captain under the threat of leaving".

Did he?

 

[Giant Pete]

Im loving the conspiracy theories and old school mentality from many of the posters in here. Keep em coming...

 

[RichLeMonde]

There's no way that's real. Coniglio has been down on his usual standards but he hasn't been diabolically awful. His form up until R10 was pretty good bar a shocker vs. Collingwood.

It does seem unlikely. Then again news.com.au is an infallible source of high quality journalism

 

[Cotchins Hair Piece]

You don’t drop your Captain.

 

[Cotchins Hair Piece]

He would.

Shit captain then.