Training Summer Footy Fix - 2022 training watch

[MrPremiership]

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When you describe the sh*t he does, let's say the run, bounce looking exciting and then he shins it to the oppo and it goes right back over his head for a goal, you said this, i also agree it happens.

You use the statistic of "Clanger" by that stat i think it's basically an ineffective kick which counts, short kicks to contests and kicks to uncontested players.

When i describe something stupid and horrid that he does, i'm thinking the uncontested player get's his kick because it was THAT bad.

The short kicks to contests do my head in also but they are rarely half as bad.

Also not all clangers that he has are in the back 50.

And for mine in my opinion that the bad doesn't outweigh the good. and it's pretty proven in the fact, he's very good one on one, he's a good intercepting key defender and reads the play well in terms of defending and peeling off. He is versatile in defending talls and smalls and has some leadership down there aswell, especially last year with Sicily injured and after we moved on Stratts and Frawley.

I take the good with the bad and the good outweighs the bad.

The bad is the lacing out oppo players and it going over his head for a goal and the brainfades hurt and do my head in but these types of things, that are REALLY bad. Don't happen as often as you're making them out to be, not saying they don't happen because ******* hell they do haha but not nearly as much as you're portraying them as.

No. A clanger is a clear unforced error. It is not a kick to a 50-50 contest, they aren't marked as clangers. That makes it worse for Frosty!

He can be very good at defending, but errors leading to goals doesn't outweigh it! He's a better than average footballer, but we need someone to overtake him. 2 other clubs have felt the same way.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

No. A clanger is a clear unforced error. It is not a kick to a 50-50 contest, they aren't marked as clangers. That makes it worse for Frosty!

He can be very good at defending, but errors leading to goals doesn't outweigh it! He's a better than average footballer, but we need someone to overtake him. 2 other clubs have felt the same way.

Are you sure? Because i'm not talking about a long kick to a 50-50 contest. More the 15-20 metre kick to a 50-50, not sure if that's a clanger or turnover.

He's very good at defending yes but not all or close to all of those clangers are "leading to goals" i'd say most wouldn't.

His good again does outweigh the bad.

We need someone to overtake him i agree, it'll happen in time.

He's improved alot since going from the Giants to Dees to us.

 

[jenniferHAWKinS]

It's more often than you are saying.

He had 78 clangers last year, in 22 games. That's out of 330 disposals.

One in every 5 disposals was a clanger. That ain't great, especially considering a lot of his touches would be switches or easy back 50 kicks

A Clanger can be a dropped mark, conceding a free kick or giving away a 50 so Frost turning it over every 5th possession is just not correct, probably not even close. Frost just needs to play to his strengths and keep it simple. With Sicily back we can’t play Hartigan, Frost and DGB in the same team so who gives way?

 

[stemline]

When did Frost change his name to training?

 

[MrPremiership]

A Clanger can be a dropped mark, conceding a free kick or giving away a 50 so Frost turning it over every 5th possession is just not correct, probably not even close. Frost just needs to play to his strengths and keep it simple. With Sicily back we can’t play Hartigan, Frost and DGB in the same team so who gives way?

He gave away about 1.4 free kicks a game, so the balance are going to be disposal clangers. That is still a very high number.

Longer term Sicily and DGB you would think are the locks. So its Hartigan or Frost that gives way.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

When did Frost change his name to training?

Other day. Didn't hear?

 

[Dewyyyyy]

He gave away about 1.4 free kicks a game, so the balance are going to be disposal clangers. That is still a very high number.

Longer term Sicily and DGB you would think are the locks. So its Hartigan or Frost that gives way.

Yes and Hartigan is more likely, older. Not as good. Pretty simple.

 

[MrPremiership]

Are you sure? Because i'm not talking about a long kick to a 50-50 contest. More the 15-20 metre kick to a 50-50, not sure if that's a clanger or turnover.

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that's not recorded as a clanger

 

[Dewnior]

4 pages of posts since last night has me looking forward to a training report on one of those pages, but no, it's 4 pages discussing how crap Frosty's kicking is.

 

[MrPremiership]

Yes and Hartigan is more likely, older. Not as good. Pretty simple.

Hartigan is the underrated defender amongst that back 6.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

4 pages of posts since last night has me looking forward to a training report on one of those pages, but no, it's 4 pages discussing how crap Frosty's kicking is.

Apologies. We have a game tomorrow if that fancies you.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

that's not recorded as a clanger

Stand corrected, also stand corrected by jenniferHAWKinS who pointed out something i completely looked over.

Frees against in all facets count as clangers.

 

[MrPremiership]

4 pages of posts since last night has me looking forward to a training report on one of those pages, but no, it's 4 pages discussing how crap Frosty's kicking is.

Or 1 page.

 

[Gut Runner]

Frost should only play to cover injuries - he is a butcher. Kills confidence in his team mates and destroys momentum.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Hartigan is the underrated defender amongst that back 6.

No.
Hartigan is better suited to one type of forward, someone like Hawkins or just a big tall key forward. He can't do anything else and is pretty limited.

He can defend those types but he can't really intercept aswell, he's a decent mark and spoil but outside of that he's limited and does stupid shit, like Frosty.

Without the run and dash and level of versatility, the intercepting and so on.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Frost should only play to cover injuries - he is a butcher. Kills confidence in his team mates and destroys momentum.

Guess we'll have no key defender cause Hartigan is worse.

DGB and Sic can be the CHB and FB i reckon!!

 

[Gut Runner]

I would prefer a player who does his job and nullifies the opposition in Hartigan than a turn over king who saps the energy of our side with hack kicks in Frost

 

[Gut Runner]

Probably doesn't matter anyway as the only player that will probably be there for our next tilt will be DGB - massive holes down back.

I'd even try Kosi.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

I would prefer a player who does his job and nullifies the opposition in Hartigan than a turn over king who saps the energy of our side with hack kicks in Frost

You're speaking as if Hartigan isn't a bad kick also, he's pretty f'ing bad he just doesn't take the game on at all, he has real no offensive side to his game, his intercepting/spoiling is alright and he's a good defender on big forwards who are slowly going as the tall athletic forwards are becoming the future by the looks of it, well alot more than there has been before.

I'd rather Frost who can play on those while also being able to help with the smalls, can peel off and help with our air defense game and can provide some run and dash.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Probably doesn't matter anyway as the only player that will probably be there for our next tilt will be DGB - massive holes down back.

I'd even try Kosi.

I hope you mean in terms of key defenders...

I'd try Kosi maybe or Callow. Both seem they could suit it.

 

[Pessimistic]

Isn’t frost the player who can take a fast forward, tall or small? After dimma takes the fastest small and Hartigan the biggest tall

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Isn’t frost the player who can take a fast forward, tall or small? After dimma takes the fastest small and Hartigan the biggest tall

With DGB coming in he can do that also but isn't big enough for the bigs, while Frost can. Hartigan is a liability outside of defending big forwards.

 

[Dewnior]

Apologies. We have a game tomorrow if that fancies you.

Yeah that's what the game day thread is for. This is a training thread.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Yeah that's what the game day thread is for. This is a training thread.

I mean the likelihood we'd get any training report of note before a pre season game is minimal.

 

[JZedd]

4 pages of posts since last night has me looking forward to a training report on one of those pages, but no, it's 4 pages discussing how crap Frosty's kicking is.

Was about to post the same. Frosty, as others have said, should take the safe options like giving a handball to a teammate or a long bomb to a contest.

In any case he likely won't be part of future success. Fill in and that's all.