Swans - back to back?

[nicky]

Id want them to believe that if they work as hard as possible, there going to get their chance at winning a premiership. Getting into the top 8 requires mostly skill, getting the flag requires mostly luck, id want them to put themself in the best position they can in the top 8, then try there heart out, but not be too disappointed if it comes crashing down around them due to injury something the players on the field cant control.

I dont think Eagles management or Kerr himself cud of stopped him gettin a injury rendering him no use for one half which seems to be what your thinking...

so by that logic all the talk about odds/favourites at the start of the finals series was futile b/c all the teams in the 8 had a 1 in 8 chance.?

That's funny coming from you b/c i'm sure you were one of the weagles supporters crying b/c some people didn't consider you favourites

 

[Minkus_Swan]

The thing about Premiership teams since 1999, is that the premier had significant moments or games that drove them to win the flag. Premiers from the last 7(?) grand finals have been there abouts years before they won it. There aren't any "fairytale premiers" as such.

1999 - Kangaroos waste a dominant first half to lose the 98 grand final that they really should have wrapped up at half time. They win on the last day of September comfortably.

2000 - The Bombers have a huge year, after the shock preliminary final loss to the blues from the previous year.

2001,02,03 - Brisbane win 3 flags in a row. Their preliminary final loss in 1999 to the Kangaroos seems to spark this juggernaut team. Clearly the stand out team during this period and knew how to win games that mattered.

2004 - After years of success during the minor rounds, this year became the year that Port broke free of their choker tag to become worthy premiers. Recent poor finals campaigns were the catalyst for that year.

2005 - The swans win a thriller after becoming a champion team over the last 3 years. The preliminary final loss (are you seeing a pattern here?) to the Lions in 03, spurred this team to greater heights.

So teams like Geelong, St Kilda, Adelaide and West Coast (going with previous years) are in line to win the premiership (if the swans don't) next year. Then again the Bulldogs could blitz everyone next year – who knows.

 

[bunsen burner]

there you go bunsen i've quoted it AGAIN for you

Well that's funny because what I said is different to what you said I said.

What you said I said:

'the swans are not a good team'

What I actually said:

The Swans aren't that good (compared to other teams that have won back to back such as Brisbane and Hawthorn).


Time to stop lying and misrepresenting the truth.

 

[bunsen burner]

Treating the game as a draw except for luck is not going to help you next year.

Why do you insist with this crap? I have never said or implied anything of the sort. I have never talked about the actual game. I have never said the Swans weren't deserving winners and the best team in 05.

I have given a few reasons as to why the Swans were the best and you don't seem to be able to accept them? Just what is it that you want? And why can't you accept a very reasonable and balanced opinion? Are you really that soft?

 

[teams]

Why do you insist with this crap? I have never said or implied anything of the sort. I have never talked about the actual game. I have never said the Swans weren't deserving winners and the best team in 05.

I have given a few reasons as to why the Swans were the best and you don't seem to be able to accept them? Just what is it that you want? And why can't you accept a very reasonable and balanced opinion? Are you really that soft?

The quote you have gone to was posted to Embers, not you. He went with the luck line. Had nothing to do with you. Wasn't aimed at you.

When it is suggested that you read a thread, probably wouldn't hurt if you took the advice.

 

[bunsen burner]

The quote you have gone to was posted to Embers, not you.

So why the need for this: "As I have stated to your BB". On top of that you have previously wrongly accused me of treating the GF as a draw. You're the one who needs to read the thread.

Maybe it'd be better if you didn't talk to me nor mention my name in any of your posts. You just now wanted me to accept your clarification but haven't been willing to accept my clarification for days?

 

[teams]

So why the need for this: "As I have stated to your BB". On top of that you have previously wrongly accused me of treating the GF as a draw. You're the one who needs to read the thread.

Fair point. Haven't notice Bridgette Bardot popping up in this thread.

You're the one who stated it was like Rafting losing Wimbledon. You weren't gutted. The loss wasn't of great consequence to you. Thus something similar to a draw to you.

Maybe it'd be better if you didn't talk to me nor mention my name in any of your posts. You just now wanted me to accept your clarification but haven't been willing to accept my clarification for days?

If I am on to what you mean here, you haven't managed to make "everything has to go right" comapatible with "Sydney are deserving winners". That's why your clarification is yet to hit the spot.

 

[bloodsports]

.....Premierships come a lot from having a coach making up his mind to win a flag. Matthews eventually did it for Collimgwood. Lots of coaches just make up their mind that they want to coach.

I think this is true and was thinking about it a lot at the time that the Lions were on the cusp of winning their first flag.

I think a lot of it has to do with a supreme coaches ability to force his will through the collective conscious of 22 young men.

Roos has proved his ability to do this, Whoosha has not.

 

[teams]

I think this is true and was thinking about it a lot at the time that the Lions were on the cusp of winning their first flag.

I think a lot of it has to do with a supreme coaches ability to force his will through the collective conscious of 22 young men.

Roos has proved his ability to do this, Whoosha has not.

Reckon your'e right about Roos but a bit under the guard. I was seeing him more as coaching for sake of coaching, win a few finals here and there, than steeled towards a flag. All the best with round one and Ted.

 

[bunsen burner]

Fair point. Haven't notice Bridgette Bardot popping up in this thread.

You're the one who stated it was like Rafting losing Wimbledon. You weren't gutted. The loss wasn't of great consequence to you. Thus something similar to a draw to you.

Once again you draw your own incorrect assumption.

1. I was gutted for the Eagles as I was for Rafter

2. But that's as good as a loss you can get. If there's anyone I don't mind losing against it's Sydney and Ivanesivic. Ivanesevic because he's just a good bloke and it was a fairy tale ending to a career where he came so close so many times, and Sydney because I've always wanted them to win a flag for the AFL cause.

If I am on to what you mean here, you haven't managed to make "everything has to go right" comapatible with "Sydney are deserving winners". That's why your clarification is yet to hit the spot.

But I've clarified 20 times and you refuse to accept my good will. I would have thought my original insistance that Sydney were the best team and deserved to win, along with my acknowledgement that all flag teams have things go right for them but deserve the flag, would have made my views self explanatory. I then my constant unwavering clrification should have left you in no doubt.

Your intent on believing your own set of events no matter what I tell you.

 

[bloodsports]

I wasn't really sure that Roos had it in him actualy. I was more impressed with the dogged determination showen by the like of Lethal, Sheedy, Pagan, and even that pr*ck who I do not like: Williams.

The fact is though that Roos team got there and I think in hindsight we can say that Roos has that x factor that premiership coaches have - the ability to make their teams find a way to win the big ones.

Whoosha as I say has not yet done this.

Eade is an interesting one, in that he has great ability as a coach but is yet to prove that he can motivate a team all the way to the holly grail.

 

[teams]

Once again you draw your own incorrect assumption.

1. I was gutted for the Eagles as I was for Rafter

2. But that's as good as a loss you can get. If there's anyone I don't mind losing against it's Sydney and Ivanesivic. Ivanesevic because he's just a good bloke and it was a fairy tale ending to a career where he came so close so many times, and Sydney because I've always wanted them to win a flag for the AFL cause..

You can do the checking but my recollection is you posted that you were gutted in 1991. Not so this time.

But I've clarified 20 times and you refuse to accept my good will. I would have thought my original insistance that Sydney were the best team and deserved to win, along with my acknowledgement that all flag teams have things go right for them but deserve the flag, would have made my views self explanatory. I then my constant unwavering clrification should have left you in no doubt.

Your intent on believing your own set of events no matter what I tell you.

Accept your good will if it will make you happy but not things went right. Overcame the odds is where it's at.

You should really withdraw the "things went right for Sydney" if you want to have your good will to Sydney go unchallenged. Many have pointed out to you the problems that Sydney over came. The thing that went right for them was the siren not ringing before the Davis goal but if you read Bloodsports post after yours, it would be more gracious of you to acknowledge that Sydney willed themselves to a flag. It's what they did.

 

[Bloods Rule!]

A lot of Swans players improved a lot during 2005. There's no reason why that shouldn't continue in 2005.

For example, it looks like Nick Davis has found the joy of playing midfield and plans on getting fit enough to stay there. Finally he might be mature enough to play to his potential.

 

[Cat_flying_high]

AHAHAHA swans back to back! You hardly won the premiership... you only just made the prelim... I could understand people thinking that they'd get a back-to-back if they were the dominant team of the season or thrashed heaps of teams but the truth is... they only just got over the line. If the swans win the granny next year, I'll amputate my nipples.

 

[Barry Schneider]

I wonder how many of the posters who say Sydney can't win back to back predicted they would win this year?
I'll take a guess and say none.
Only a mother of all hangovers will stop them next year.Only one player from the GF team has left(BALL) and there is a stack of improvement to come form the inexperienced players.
I am quietly confident.
I will back to them after they have lost their first few games as has been the pattern for sometime.

 

[Barry Schneider]

AHAHAHA swans back to back! You hardly won the premiership... you only just made the prelim... I could understand people thinking that they'd get a back-to-back if they were the dominant team of the season or thrashed heaps of teams but the truth is... they only just got over the line. If the swans win the granny next year, I'll amputate my nipples.

You only made the prelim after the most amazing umpiring decisions against Sydney which robbed us of a home prelim.
You have a short memory.

 

[bloodsports]

AHAHAHA swans back to back! You hardly won the premiership... you only just made the prelim... I could understand people thinking that they'd get a back-to-back if they were the dominant team of the season or thrashed heaps of teams but the truth is... they only just got over the line. If the swans win the granny next year, I'll amputate my nipples.

If I ever run into you, I'll aputate your balls.

 

[Bloods Rule!]

AHAHAHA swans back to back! You hardly won the premiership... you only just made the prelim... I could understand people thinking that they'd get a back-to-back if they were the dominant team of the season or thrashed heaps of teams but the truth is... they only just got over the line. If the swans win the granny next year, I'll amputate my nipples.

Once their season got going, the Swans won well and never lost by more than 10 points. On the other hand, I bet the Eagles are really looking forward to going back to Skilled for another lesson in football.

 

[nicky]

Well that's funny because what I said is different to what you said I said.

What you said I said:

'the swans are not a good team'

What I actually said:

The Swans aren't that good (compared to other teams that have won back to back such as Brisbane and Hawthorn).


Time to stop lying and misrepresenting the truth.

the only liar here is you and you know it

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

the only liar here is you and you know it

Ding Ding. Lets get ready to rumble

 

[nicky]

Ding Ding. Lets get ready to rumble

hey matty you can be the ref

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

hey matty you can be the ref

No I couldnt, cos I would be biased

 

[nicky]

No I couldnt, cos I would be biased

and let's face it bb isn't the most likable character

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

and let's face it bb isn't the most likable character

Yes, he isnt cute and cuddly like us. Purrrrrrrrrr

 

[nicky]

Yes, he isnt cute and cuddly like us. Purrrrrrrrrr

he's more like an annoying car alarm that no-one bothers to switch off