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"Systematic Salary Cap Cheating"
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The Spornstar
Premiership Player
Hmmmmm.....1996 and then 1999? And you go on about it as if your club has never done anything wrong. Well you have. We are cheaters and so were you. And it wouldn't surprise me a bit if you still had a few skeletons in your own closet. (see James Hird and Lloyd comments a few posts ago)
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Ditto for Campo, Bradley and Diesel's printing business.
I think you will find that the Lloyd domain name naming rights thing you are getting all hot under the collar about did not go ahead. (Did you know that Matthew Lloyd`s dad played for carlton ? 21 more games from the old man and he`s all yours.I know you are aware of this, nothing like a little reminder.)
Essendon were caught due to Roger Hampsons inability to keep a date, all clubs who were cheating, no doubt carlton were up to their necks leading the way took advantage of the amnesty offered by the afl...why didn`t Hampson ??? he made three bloody appointments, he closed his eyes and hoped it would all go away, he ****ed up, no doubt.
Then a few years later , corcoran had his bust up with sheedy, he goes to melbourne and then it all starts unravelling, a word here a word there, bingo, Essendon caught and we copped our rightful whack, due to the c.e.o`s incompetence.
Essendon have no skeletons in the closet, you could not want a better c.e.o than the one we currently have, Peter Jackson runs a tight ship, it`s tighter than a nuns you know what, do we like giving away gun defenders like Damian Hardwick, it had to happen, you are dreaming if you think The Club will get caught again. I can not believe carltons outright stupidity to keep cheating with an suspended sentence over their head, i can`t believe it, but i bloody well love it.
Essendon were caught due to Roger Hampsons inability to keep a date, all clubs who were cheating, no doubt carlton were up to their necks leading the way took advantage of the amnesty offered by the afl...why didn`t Hampson ??? he made three bloody appointments, he closed his eyes and hoped it would all go away, he ****ed up, no doubt.
Then a few years later , corcoran had his bust up with sheedy, he goes to melbourne and then it all starts unravelling, a word here a word there, bingo, Essendon caught and we copped our rightful whack, due to the c.e.o`s incompetence.
Essendon have no skeletons in the closet, you could not want a better c.e.o than the one we currently have, Peter Jackson runs a tight ship, it`s tighter than a nuns you know what, do we like giving away gun defenders like Damian Hardwick, it had to happen, you are dreaming if you think The Club will get caught again. I can not believe carltons outright stupidity to keep cheating with an suspended sentence over their head, i can`t believe it, but i bloody well love it.
The Spornstar
Premiership Player
Yep, no problems there. We are in the sh.it so lets get it all out in the open. However, I'd be stunned if other clubs are clean. The AFL better not only investigate us, that's for sure.
Windy, we also lost Hamill despite cheating the salary cap, so losing Hardwick is hardly proof.
Another thing, despite what people are saying we actually didn't cheat the salary cap with a suspended sentence hanging over our heads. This cheating actually happened before the AFL handed out the suspended sentence.
No Bro, you can blame elliott`s attitude for that one, you can add a Bewick forced retirement, Mick Long wanted to go on, Caracella, Blumfield and Heffernan were all shown the door due to $, our C.E.O backed up by the match committe has/have bitten the bullett, you will never see Essendon cheating again, the consequences would be monumental and a full scale riot would be led by my goodself....( I`m with the club in the decision to get rid of heff,cara and j.b, they were not performing, they were on top dollar, the squeeze had to come)
NakedDeadGuy
Club Legend
I reckon that's right on Ewok. Carlton supporters are whinging about losing picks 1&2, if they had finished say, 4th I doubt there would be as much hullaballoo about losing pick 12.
They should certainly lose their priority pick - (a league handout to a crap team from the previous season) - no way that they should be recieving this free handout. Losing the priority pick is not even a penalty - its a 'reward' given to a crap team, and if that team (under suspended sentence) has been to be found guilty of cheating, rights to any priority picks should be forfeited straight away.
Then onto the actual penalty - first 2 round picks (which just happens to include pick 1), monetary fine, forced to operate at less than 100% of the cap - and for how many years?
I'm rather enjoying this.
First there was Carlton Draught.
Then Carlton Light.
Then Carlton Last.
And finally, Carlton Draftless.
That's gotta be your new sig. Classy.
Classic!
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pick no. 2 in this year's draft, pick no. 31 in this year's draft
1st round pick and 2nd round pick next year.
Exclusion from 2002 and 2003 pre-season drafts.
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Im a carlton man and that doesnt go far enough. Take our second and 3rd this year and no preseason. 1,2,3rd next year, no preseason. 2004, 1,2nd.
pick no. 2 in this year's draft, pick no. 31 in this year's draft
1st round pick and 2nd round pick next year.
Exclusion from 2002 and 2003 pre-season drafts.
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Im a carlton man and that doesnt go far enough. Take our second and 3rd this year and no preseason. 1,2,3rd next year, no preseason. 2004, 1,2nd.
What the????
Its ok to take pick 2 but not pick 1
Take off your navy blue glasses BP I think thats just wishful thinking.
Re: no
Work out how much the Club has cheated by over the years - com up with a number (call it a million dollars)
Work out what sort of player that would pay for (say a Voss or a Hird)
Work out how many draft picks Voss or Hird are worth. (say first four draft picks, or first two over two years for the sake of the exercise)
That gets Carlton back to "square". It is not a punishment in itself - its just evens up the ledger.
Then on top of that think of a punishment
So for mine, first two picks this year and next, plus a hefty fine, and refusal to register the club if any "offenders" are appointed into any management positions in the club -ie get rid of Williams and Silvagni.
Work out how much the Club has cheated by over the years - com up with a number (call it a million dollars)
Work out what sort of player that would pay for (say a Voss or a Hird)
Work out how many draft picks Voss or Hird are worth. (say first four draft picks, or first two over two years for the sake of the exercise)
That gets Carlton back to "square". It is not a punishment in itself - its just evens up the ledger.
Then on top of that think of a punishment
So for mine, first two picks this year and next, plus a hefty fine, and refusal to register the club if any "offenders" are appointed into any management positions in the club -ie get rid of Williams and Silvagni.
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- #91
Re: Re: no
They are the greatest serial salary cap cheaters in the history of AFL/VFL football, makes what Essendon and Melbourne did look like chicken feed
Essendon & Melbourne lost 1st and 2nd round picks, pre-season draft bans + $500000 in fines all up
Carlton should get double that AT A MINIMUM and then add on their current suspended penalty
2002 - Rounds 1, 2
2003 - Rounds 1, 2
2004 - Rounds 2, 3
$1.25 mill fine
2002, 03, 04 pre-season draft ban
And they'd still get off light after all that!
They are the greatest serial salary cap cheaters in the history of AFL/VFL football, makes what Essendon and Melbourne did look like chicken feed
Essendon & Melbourne lost 1st and 2nd round picks, pre-season draft bans + $500000 in fines all up
Carlton should get double that AT A MINIMUM and then add on their current suspended penalty
2002 - Rounds 1, 2
2003 - Rounds 1, 2
2004 - Rounds 2, 3
$1.25 mill fine
2002, 03, 04 pre-season draft ban
And they'd still get off light after all that!
Bananabender
Senior List
2004!!!!
With Collo at the helm and with all of the big business behind it, by then Carlton will probably have taken over one of the AFL's ailing clubs. They'll probably even call it a merger.
With Collo at the helm and with all of the big business behind it, by then Carlton will probably have taken over one of the AFL's ailing clubs. They'll probably even call it a merger.
Kick them out the comp, there are too many melbourne based clubs anyway
doesnt anyone else find it weird that Caro breaks/reports on alot of stories on the club that D.Pagan coaches?
The Spornstar
Premiership Player
Re: Re: Re: no
By your logic picks 1 and 2 are worth the same as picks 16 and 32.
By your logic picks 1 and 2 are worth the same as picks 16 and 32.
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- #97
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Yes, so?
Been through all this before, the AFL bans clubs from "Rounds" not specific picks, if Carlton had finished Top 4 this year they would be losing 13/14 or so, just like Essendon in 1999 had they finished bottom they would of be stripped of pick #1 overall not whatever number they were
Nobody to blame for losing #1 & #2 than your poor performing team
Yes, so?
Been through all this before, the AFL bans clubs from "Rounds" not specific picks, if Carlton had finished Top 4 this year they would be losing 13/14 or so, just like Essendon in 1999 had they finished bottom they would of be stripped of pick #1 overall not whatever number they were
Nobody to blame for losing #1 & #2 than your poor performing team
The Spornstar
Premiership Player
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This is where penalties get silly and inconsistent. I would suggest that 1&2 are worth about 3 times what 16 and 32 are. If you look through past drafts, you would see that picks 1 and 2 would get you at worst a very very good player, at best a champion. 16 and 32 are nearing the lottery stage of the draft.
This is where penalties get silly and inconsistent. I would suggest that 1&2 are worth about 3 times what 16 and 32 are. If you look through past drafts, you would see that picks 1 and 2 would get you at worst a very very good player, at best a champion. 16 and 32 are nearing the lottery stage of the draft.
The Old Dark Navy's
Moderator
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- #99
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Yes, you have been through all that before and each time you have been wrong IMO.
So you would have no problem swapping pick 1 for pick 16 in any given year? What you have said doesn't answer the question as to whether some first round picks are worth more than others. Besides if they were all considered of the same value, why the hell is the draft in place to try and even up the competition? The fact is the loss of #1 and #2 is worth multiple times the loss of #16 and #32 but that doesn't suit your argument though does it?
Yes, you have been through all that before and each time you have been wrong IMO.
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- #100
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Them are the AFL rules, that is the way the AFL hands down salary cap penalties, they ain't gonna change the rules now, so TS
Only in the minds of the sooking Blues fans tossing over the thought of losing 1 & 2, the rest of the lynch mob can see clearly
Them are the AFL rules, that is the way the AFL hands down salary cap penalties, they ain't gonna change the rules now, so TS
Only in the minds of the sooking Blues fans tossing over the thought of losing 1 & 2, the rest of the lynch mob
can see clearly
