Rumour Tales from the Henley Beach Cafe: CROWS 2021 RUMOURS

[CharlieCrow]

I get all of the looking back and arguing what if ..... but I actually have come to terms with Jones, McHenry, Hamill and Sholl. They are all turning out OK - sure not greats of the game - but solid team builders - remember that "champion team instead of a team of champions"?

Its in our best interests to get over it otherwise we will just eat our own heads for years - the way Richmond did over Tambling instead of Franklin and Melbourne with Watts over Natanui, both of which were far greater draft tragedies.

 

[MRB37]

From a playing list perspective, I still believe the talent and demographic of the list was there to push towards the flag in 2019. However, the fitness, club culture and coaching line up wasn't up to scratch (Pyke, Campo, Mattner, Godden, Hart, Clarke).

They thought they could turn that around, oblivious to the depths of the broken relationships in place. Knowing what we know now, they would have re-set after 2017...or not had the camp...even though there were no "lingering issues" apparently.

I'm sure they convinced themselves that 2018 was down to the injury issues and Saunders coming in would fix that up and we'd be good to go again.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Not sure if it was mentioned, but Silvers sounded very non-committal on Lynch's future when talking about him

Basically said 'hope he performs well for the rest of the year and we'll re-asses at the end of the year'

 

[Truck25]

I disagree with this, because you’ve gone down the wrong path entirely.

How port got the picks to trade for 5 is irrelevant to the point about whether it was within our grasp to do a similar, if not better trade.

All that other noise is an unhelpful distraction

Port traded a bunch of stuff to get a draft hand.

We already had an equivalent or better draft hand

They turned their hand into a significant upgrade

I.e.

“ Fremantle trades Pick 6 and 2019 third-round pick to Port Adelaide for Pick 11, 23, 30 and 49.

Brisbane trades Sam Mayes and Pick 5 to Port Adelaide for Pick 6, Pick 35 and its future third-round selection (on-traded from Fremantle).”

We could easily have bettered that, we chose not. We should have

I disagree with your disagree, it was all part of the manoeuvring to a final goal in the same trade period

Could we have jumped at 5, sure. were we willing to pay the price, obviously not.

 

[Crow till I die]

I disagree with your disagree, it was all part of the manoeuvring to a final goal in the same trade period

Could we have jumped at 5, sure. were we willing to pay the price, obviously not.

But the second sentence is literally our point. we DID have the ability to trade up and lacked the balls / foresight / guts or whatever you want to call it to do it in a superdraft year where there were some extremely highly rated SA kids available that the club would have followed from years out. That was one of the biggest epic fails in our clubs history imo

 

[Mutineer]

But the second sentence is literally our point. we DID have the ability to trade up and lacked the balls / foresight / guts or whatever you want to call it to do it in a superdraft year where there were some extremely highly rated SA kids available that the club would have followed from years out. That was one of the biggest epic fails in our clubs history imo

Unfortunately none of Lukosius, Rankine or even Rozee are looking like out and out stars of the competition as yet, certainly not befitting of Superdraft status.

Lukosius maybe a show for AA this year but probably not.

 

[Crow till I die]

Unfortunately none of Lukosius, Rankine or even Rozee are looking like out and out stars of the competition as yet, certainly not befitting of Superdraft status.

Lukosius maybe a show for AA this year but probably not.

but going back to the original poser, I'd take Rozee or Ben King every day of the week over both of Jones and McHenry. The whole point is we could have got to pick 5 with the picks we had as they were better than what port paid to get there (regardless of how they acquired their draft hand to pay for it)

 

[Mutineer]

but going back to the original poser, I'd take Rozee or Ben King every day of the week over both of Jones and McHenry. The whole point is we could have got to pick 5 with the picks we had as they were better than what port paid to get there (regardless of how they acquired their draft hand to pay for it)

Early days just yet, still no superstars at this point. Rozee is a clever forward, the only reason to trade up would be if you thought he was going to transform into a midfielder, we're not seeing that yet.

 

[Truck25]

but going back to the original poser, I'd take Rozee or Ben King every day of the week over both of Jones and McHenry. The whole point is we could have got to pick 5 with the picks we had as they were better than what port paid to get there (regardless of how they acquired their draft hand to pay for it)

You do realise this isn't the NBA, Stars a great but there are 22 players in the team. If you significantly weaken you team for a possible gun it will hurt you more than you gain. Reality is players 15-22 are more important to a teams success that player 1&2. The price Port paid is why they are going to miss their window.

 

[Thetrader15]

but going back to the original poser, I'd take Rozee or Ben King every day of the week over both of Jones and McHenry. The whole point is we could have got to pick 5 with the picks we had as they were better than what port paid to get there (regardless of how they acquired their draft hand to pay for it)

So your point is we stuffed up the trading part of the drafting part or both?

 

[feenix67]

Early days just yet, still no superstars at this point. Rozee is a clever forward, the only reason to trade up would be if you thought he was going to transform into a midfielder, we're not seeing that yet.

To be fair, injuries have slowed his progress. There's a classy midfielder there with a bit of x factor if he can stay on the park

 

[Crow till I die]

You do realise this isn't the NBA, Stars a great but there are 22 players in the team. If you significantly weaken you team for a possible gun it will hurt you more than you gain. Reality is players 15-22 are more important to a teams success that player 1&2. The price Port paid is why they are going to miss their window.

how were we weakening our team if we traded say picks 8 & 16 for pick 6? this is not port where they traded out players for picks. We already had the picks

 

[I Lost My Keays]

I get all of the looking back and arguing what if ..... but I actually have come to terms with Jones, McHenry, Hamill and Sholl. They are all turning out OK - sure not greats of the game - but solid team builders - remember that "champion team instead of a team of champions"?

Its in our best interests to get over it otherwise we will just eat our own heads for years - the way Richmond did over Tambling instead of Franklin and Melbourne with Watts over Natanui, both of which were far greater draft tragedies.

it’s all about blooding games into them

 

[Crow till I die]

So your point is we stuffed up the trading part of the drafting part or both?

I will put it very simply - we stuffed up not paying the cost to get pick 6 which was on offer for the right price. Pick 6 was the ticket into the top 7 of that superdraft year. From there who knows how high we might have got had we tried

 

[I Lost My Keays]

As much as dislike Port Adelaide they show that they’ve got the balls to make bold changes. Polec, Howard and Wingard haven’t performed at their new clubs and have brought in three young quality players.

Controversial I know, but I think they should’ve drafted King over Rozee.

 

[Geoffa32]

As much as dislike Port Adelaide they show that they’ve got the balls to make bold changes. Polec, Howard and Wingard haven’t performed at their new clubs and have brought in three young quality players.

Controversial I know, but I think they should’ve drafted King over Rozee.

All three left for more money.

Port didn't choose to offload them.

Howard captained them in a game the year he left.


Their PR is just good at spin.



They did do well trading and drafting though after those guys decided to leave.

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[Scorpus]

As much as dislike Port Adelaide they show that they’ve got the balls to make bold changes. Polec, Howard and Wingard haven’t performed at their new clubs and have brought in three young quality players.

Controversial I know, but I think they should’ve drafted King over Rozee.

Agree on Polec and Wingard but IMO Howard is a player they have badly missed

 

[Thetrader15]

I will put it very simply - we stuffed up not paying the cost to get pick 6 which was on offer for the right price. Pick 6 was the ticket into the top 7 of that superdraft year. From there who knows how high we might have got had we tried

OK, so you would rather one of Rozee or Ben King than one from each group below:

Available at pick 9:
Jones
Caldwell
Butters
Hately
Clark

Available at pick 16:
McHenry
Sturt
Duursma
Stocker
RCD
Bobby Hill
Xavier O'Halloran
Rowbottom

IMO, the draft hand was fine, but think our selections in hindsight would be different.

Butters AND Duursma looks much nicer than just Rozee.

Port just picked the eyes out of the draft (at this point).

 

[Crow till I die]

OK, so you would rather one of Rozee or Ben King than one from each group below:

Available at pick 9:
Jones
Caldwell
Butters
Hately
Clark

Available at pick 16:
McHenry
Sturt
Duursma
Stocker
RCD
Bobby Hill
Xavier O'Halloran
Rowbottom

IMO, the draft hand was fine, but think our selections in hindsight would be different.

Butters AND Duursma looks much nicer than just Rozee.

Port just picked the eyes out of the draft (at this point).

The answer to your question is yes..i wanted them to trade up at the lead up to the draft and nothing i see has made me think that was wrong

 

[Mutineer]

To be fair, injuries have slowed his progress. There's a classy midfielder there with a bit of x factor if he can stay on the park

Remembering many on this board were keen on Jackson Hately with our Jones pick, I admit I'd have taken Jye Caldwell at that pick another that has had trouble staying on the park.

 

[Mutineer]

OK, so you would rather one of Rozee or Ben King than one from each group below:

Available at pick 9:
Jones
Caldwell
Butters
Hately
Clark

Available at pick 16:
McHenry
Sturt
Duursma
Stocker
RCD
Bobby Hill
Xavier O'Halloran
Rowbottom

IMO, the draft hand was fine, but think our selections in hindsight would be different.

Butters AND Duursma looks much nicer than just Rozee.

Port just picked the eyes out of the draft (at this point).

If only unlike us the recruiters had the advantage of hindsight.

None of Rozee, Butters or Duursma made the 2018 U18 All Australian team, Chayce Jones was a starting midfielder alongside Sam Walsh.

 

[footy4ever]

I wonder what Demetriou is doing these days...

Is he in jail yet?

 

[Crow till I die]

If only unlike us the recruiters had the advantage of hindsight.

None of Rozee, Butters or Duursma made the 2018 U18 All Australian team, Chayce Jones was a starting midfielder alongside Sam Walsh.

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a certain Ben King just happens to be listed at full forward just quietly

 

[Truck25]

how were we weakening our team if we traded say picks 8 & 16 for pick 6? this is not port where they traded out players for picks. We already had the picks

How are we going to get pick 6 when it's already been sold for more than 8 & 16. It's fine to say we should but it takes two parties for a transaction.

 

[Thetrader15]

a certain Ben King just happens to be listed at full forward just quietly

But we need mids!!!!