Tambling/Franklin

[the ranger]

it would all be different if Tambling had of gone to Hawthorn and Buddy to Richmond.

Hawthorn have shown they can develop talent, so Tambling would possibly be a top midfielder. But Richmond can't develop talent and thats why his turned out to be a dud. If Richmond had taken Franklin we would have had a 21 year old Richo right now instead of one of the best young talents in the game

But, my fellow Noble Parkian, a 21 year old Richo WOULD BE one of the best young talents in the game

Richo kicked 91 goals in his 21st year (15 disposals and 8 marks per game).

 

[likka]

You want to talk about dud draft picks... I think overlooking Pavlich for Fiora is one of the worst in recent history.

ATM looks like Clarkson got his pick right, both Buddy and Roghhead will be quality, long term KPPs. You can build a team around these, cannot build a team around the likes of Tambling...

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

I didn't hear anything about Wallace bagging the Hawks for their picks (I was living abroad at the time). I've just heard everyone (especially Hawthorn and Footscray supporters) having a go at Tambling.

And, yeah, some were saying Buddy could be number one, but just as many were saying Tambling could be, so...Both were regarded as having huge potential and both were thought to have a down side (Franklin's work ethic and attitude, Tambling's light frame).

It's just silly, the constant taunting about drafting Tambling when

a) he's still just a kid and has the potential to become a star
b) he was rated as one of the top players in the draft by almost everyone at the time

you can not compare the two as they play different positions Buddy is great and i am sure Tambling will be too just got to get past his injuries and he will be fine

 

[the ranger]

Fiora over Pavlich was a stinker, to be sure.

Right up there with Danny Roach (Collingwood #7 the same year) over Joel Corey (#8).

Career stats:
Roach - 1 game, 1 tackle
Corey - 150 games, 3036 disposals and still going strong.

At least Fiora has had a career (130 games and counting).

 

[the ranger]

you can not compare the two as they play different positions Buddy is great and i am sure Tambling will be too just got to get past his injuries and he will be fine

Agreed.

 

[cs61]

A lot of the hawk bagging has to do with the reaction when they got Tambling and Deledio in the draft.

Wallace claimed to go for 'best available' and that he 'got the best players in the draft' and the fans believed it. We apparently missed out on the cream because we didn't get one of Griffen Tambling or Deledio.

I hate the bagging that goes on with Bigfooty but that has a lot to do with it.

Should really get over it now though, its irrelevant and team performance is far more importance than these individual battles that go on with bigfooty.

So much focus on the draft these days, and the kids who are trying to make a career at AFL level get bagged by no-bodies on the Net just to win some kind of superiority battle on the Internet, and take no notice of the fact they are actual people trying to forge a career and people take pleasure of these guys' failures if they play for another club.

Its pretty poor.

 

[carmi99]

Geelong won a premiership from a core group recruited in 1999. It has thus taken 8 years for that recruiting to come to fruition. Give Wallace and co. a chance to show their wares in the long term.Most of the people that bag the Tigers recent recruiting come from Carlton and Hawthorn. In the time period outlined above, neither team has won a premiership. Thus no bragging rights should be granted to them. When their team captain stands up and holds the premiership cup aloft, I will start taking notice of them.
Until then, GET A LIFE!

How long has Wallace been at Richmond now?

How long do you want to give him to show his wares?

I would suggest that he has had ample time to show them.

I would also suggest that his time is running out.

 

[Mr Relax]

Despite claims by idiot posters, there are very few people on bigfooty who are talent scouts or actually know how to identify good juniors. Therefore what posters were saying before the draft means nothing, most of them were probably just repeating what they read on other threads.

AFL recruiters on the other hand are expected to be able to do this and Richmond clearly made an error. Don't try to justify their poor choice by bringing up old posts buy people who didn't really know what they were talking about.

But it wasn't just posters, it was the experts.

D-day for AFL hopefuls

Posted Sat Nov 20, 2004 8:06am AEDT
Updated Sat Nov 20, 2004 9:46am AEDT
The annual AFL national player draft will be held in Melbourne today, with Victorian teenager Brett Deledio expected to be the number one pick.
Richmond has the first selection with Hawthorn next and the Western Bulldogs with third choice.
All three clubs have two selections in the top six.
Hot Northern Territory prospect Richard Tambling says he is relaxed about the proceedings.
Pundits are tipping the 18-year-old Southern Districts midfielder to go to Hawthorn as the second pick this morning.
Tambling says he has had a relaxing wait since the pre-draft camp in September.
"The draft camp isn't actually different as in physically, it's just difficult mentally and yeah, they kind of prepare you about what's going to happen ... and you just go from there," he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2004/11/20/1247734.htm

 

[carmi99]

But it wasn't just posters, it was the experts.

D-day for AFL hopefuls

Posted Sat Nov 20, 2004 8:06am AEDT
Updated Sat Nov 20, 2004 9:46am AEDT
The annual AFL national player draft will be held in Melbourne today, with Victorian teenager Brett Deledio expected to be the number one pick.
Richmond has the first selection with Hawthorn next and the Western Bulldogs with third choice.
All three clubs have two selections in the top six.
Hot Northern Territory prospect Richard Tambling says he is relaxed about the proceedings.
Pundits are tipping the 18-year-old Southern Districts midfielder to go to Hawthorn as the second pick this morning.
Tambling says he has had a relaxing wait since the pre-draft camp in September.
"The draft camp isn't actually different as in physically, it's just difficult mentally and yeah, they kind of prepare you about what's going to happen ... and you just go from there," he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2004/11/20/1247734.htm

Which proves how astute the Hawthorn recruiting staff were.

 

[Nubby]

Both have alot of telent, i think that buddy has just come through first.
That doesnt mean, Tambling is a dud, i think he is gonna be a gun its just a matter of time.

Tiges fans have only positive things to look foward to.
Chin up tiges, trust me i have alot more respect for youir mob than alot of other selfish teams.

At the moment Buddy has shown he is and only will become more of a superstar, with Tabling its just a matter of time.

Go hawks

 

[carmi99]

Both have alot of telent, i think that buddy has just come through first.
That doesnt mean, Tambling is a dud, i think he is gonna be a gun its just a matter of time.

Tiges fans have only positive things to look foward to.
Chin up tiges, trust me i have alot more respect for youir mob than alot of other selfish teams.

At the moment Buddy has shown he is and only will become more of a superstar, with Tabling its just a matter of time.

Go hawks

lol @ Tambling becoming a superstar...

 

[earlsta]

lol @ Tambling becoming a superstar...

LOL!!!

 

[the ranger]

A lot of the hawk bagging has to do with the reaction when they got Tambling and Deledio in the draft.

Wallace claimed to go for 'best available' and that he 'got the best players in the draft' and the fans believed it. We apparently missed out on the cream because we didn't get one of Griffen Tambling or Deledio.

I hate the bagging that goes on with Bigfooty but that has a lot to do with it.

Should really get over it now though, its irrelevant and team performance is far more importance than these individual battles that go on with bigfooty.

So much focus on the draft these days, and the kids who are trying to make a career at AFL level get bagged by no-bodies on the Net just to win some kind of superiority battle on the Internet, and take no notice of the fact they are actual people trying to forge a career and people take pleasure of these guys' failures if they play for another club.

Its pretty poor.

Great post. I think most people enjoy sh!t-stirring supporters of other clubs, but it just gets ridiculous on here. You can't talk about anything without a bunch of morons jumping in with some unfunny, unintelligent bashing of whoever or whatever is being discussed.

 

[the ranger]

How long has Wallace been at Richmond now?

How long do you want to give him to show his wares?

I would suggest that he has had ample time to show them.

I would also suggest that his time is running out.

Three seasons. Considering the list he took over and the injuries we had to key players, he did pretty well for the first two. 2007 was a disaster, obviously, and I'd imagine that if 2008 goes as badly his time will run out. I'm confident we'll be out of the bottom four unless we have another nightmare injury run, so he should get to finish his contract and by 2010 it'll be good times.

 

[the ranger]

How long has Wallace been at Richmond now?

How long do you want to give him to show his wares?

I would suggest that he has had ample time to show them.

I would also suggest that his time is running out.

Oh, and in those three years Richmond had 24 wins. Essendon had 21.

 

[richmond fanatic]

There are logical Hawthorn supporters out there


Only joking guys, keep up the good work.

 

[SolidTiger]

I am suprised there are some Hawthorn supporters who are standing up for Tambling.

What happened to them lining up for a Tambling bashing?

I think Tambing has potential but the question is if he is going to live up to that potential.

Franklin has simply came in leaps and bounds and is now one of the competitions elite.

 

[SolidTiger]

it would all be different if Tambling had of gone to Hawthorn and Buddy to Richmond.

Hawthorn have shown they can develop talent, so Tambling would possibly be a top midfielder. But Richmond can't develop talent and thats why his turned out to be a dud. If Richmond had taken Franklin we would have had a 21 year old Richo right now instead of one of the best young talents in the game

I would be very happy with a 21 year old Richo. You talk as if that is a bad thing.

 

[dobbo_18]

Originally Posted by hawker5
What you forgot to include in your post was how many rated Buddy as possibly the best player in the draft however a poor performance in the carnival and a poor attitude resulted in him dropping down in the ratings. However many people from Perth rated the guy and said that if you could coach him then he would star.

I remember in 2004 reading about him playing in a State 18's scratchie against a WA state country side and he kicked 4 goals in a half against grown men. At that time, I thought "shit this guy must be able to play".

 

[YellowandBlackBlood]

How long has Wallace been at Richmond now?

How long do you want to give him to show his wares?

I would suggest that he has had ample time to show them.

I would also suggest that his time is running out.

Wallace has been at Richmond for 3 years. That is obviously nowhere near 8!
He inherited a much bigger train wreck than most other coaches have.
He has, in his term as coach, turned over the list much more than most clubs have had to.
That means lots of 17 and 18 year olds that need more than 2 to 3 years to develop (see Geelong).
As you know recruiting isn't an exact science and to be fair, until the end of this year, he had had only one years worth of top draft picks at his disposal anyway.
A team like Hawthorn was not in exactly the same position. When Clarkson took over they had a couple of midfield guns that were entering their prime (Hodge, Mitchell) and then had an extra set of top draft choices courtesy of finishing lower (2005,2006) and by good (and lucky) trades (Hay, Thompson).
So it's not that hard to see why the Tiges are where they are. Don't forget they entered 2007 with their best Ruckman (Simmonds), there best inside mid (Coughlan) and their best creative forward (Brown) on the sideline for most, if not all of the year.
Most Tiger supporters can see light at the end of the tunnel. Wallace is the first coach that has had a long term plan that invests in youth. I'm sure that if the Tigers let him see out his contract, that they will be infinitely better off at the end of 2009 than what they were when he took over and will be a team with a bright future. Even if he doesn't win a flag, that is a major accomplishment for what has been the worst performed team in the comp for the last 25 years (and it hurts me to say that).

 

[Bluebear]

After reading the millionth person bag the tiges for taking Bling over Buddy, I went for a look in the BF archives...Now personally I think Bling is going to be a very good player and Franklin may end up being more trouble than he's worth....but let's have a look at what people were saying in 2004 before the draft

From the Hawthorn board:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=135957&highlight=tambling+franklin

"Franklin i hope will be given a wide birth @ all costs"
"We'll get one of Tambling, Griffen and Deledio at pick 2."
"im undecided with tambling or griffen at 2 if deledio goes 1, but leaning toward tambling cos there is no homesick factor and he sounds like the kind of player who brings people to the ground"
"Tambling >> Griffin >> Deledio"
"the safe bet would be with Deledio, or if the tiges take him, probably Tambling"
"we take the best available at pick 2 which is
Deledio>Tambling>Griffen"
"Tambling is my choice for pick 2"
"I hope to god Richmond take Franklin"

From the Bulldogs board:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130508&highlight=tambling+franklin

" I will be more than happy to pick up Tambling."
"If tambling is available grab him"
" Cooney, Ray, Tambling, Cross, Faulkner - gun midfield in the making."
"MY choice would be Tambling and Roughhead!!!!!!!!"
"If Tambling is still available at 6 then pick him up"
"I would be happy to take tambling at 3"
"I think we should take either Tambling and Roughead, otherwise Tambling and Willits"
" Don't want an ordinary good player, want a player who can turn on the extraordinary. Tambling seems to fit this bill."

Then once the draft was done...some Hawks weren't happy:

"We have picked roughead at 2 instead of griffen,tambling, Pick 5 franklin
Great move by our recruting managers agian
Pick the best ********in player avelable
this is a ********in joke"
"Bloody hawthorn finds another way to stuff the year up"
"i'm still in shock, had to have gone tambling then franklin!"
" I can't believe the club overlooked BOTH Tambling & Griffen!!!"
"Im not exactly pleased. Watch Tambling become a star and Bucky be sacked"
"Disappointed to miss Tambling"
"Not over the moon with Roughhead instead of Tambling"
" I am pretty disappointed we missed out on Tambling"
"Tambling will be a star"


so, um...shut up already

What were they saying about Fiora and Pavlich before that monumental blunder?

 

[ShanBoi]

Thats the beauty of hindsight. This one clearly worked out in our favour!

Buddy > everyone else in that draft!!

 

[BABYBOMBERS2007]

Though other teams might have thought that Tambling was good at the time, he is not now. It means nothing. He is a dud. Franklin>>>>>Tambling.

 

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Though other teams might have thought that Tambling was good at the time, he is not now. It means nothing. He is a dud. Franklin>>>>>Tambling.

How can you say that he is a dud!
He has been aged 18, 19 and 20 in the years that he's played.
The first year was interrupted with hamstrings and a broken toe, so he has only had two full years in the seniors.
What age was Davey when you recruited him? At what age did his brother at Melbourne start playing?

It's still too early to call him a dud. Wait two more years and then judge him. I think you'll be wrong.

 

[bluespooner]

How can you say that he is a dud!
He has been aged 18, 19 and 20 in the years that he's played.
The first year was interrupted with hamstrings and a broken toe, so he has only had two full years in the seniors.
What age was Davey when you recruited him? At what age did his brother at Melbourne start playing?

It's still too early to call him a dud. Wait two more years and then judge him. I think you'll be wrong.

That's 3 years in the system and he has produced very little.

I'll tell you why Tambling will always be ordinary - his kicking skills are average, which includes no left side; has only average speed; doesn't have the endurance to play in the midfield for extended periods of time; he is an outrider which means he doesn't win a lot of his own ball; he has been caught out by commentators for playing scared and spectating.

I just can't see it with Tambling, in terms of him ever making it as topline midfielder, and if his position is as a forward pocket then you played a high price - Eddie Betts who went that same year in the PSD has done more than Tambling.

As for comparing Tambling with Buddy well that is just fanciful. When was the last time that a CHF has kicked the bags of goals that Franklin has - and it just isn't the numbers it is how they've been kicked, won finals of his own boot, the bloke at the present stands as a potential colossus of the game.

And to rub it in, I thought KPPs were the ones that were expected to develop slowly - they certainly play a more demanding position on the field.